Are theer any examples of self-managed allotment leases?
Just having a read of what the council want for ours and I don't know
why they call it self-managed as they retain control of maintenance of
trees, that the council must give express consent for any alterations
of buildings, plots, layout, that the council get lists of who's on
the waiting lists, they can inspect at least 3 times a year, etc.

I can see the point in making the allotment group responsbile for
insurance - public liability and buildings insurance where there are
buildings, but if everything else they still have to ask permission
for then it's hardly being self-managed and it's just taking any
burden of funding away from the council.

Or am I just suspicious of the council?
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"mogga" wrote ...
Are theer any examples of self-managed allotment leases?
Just having a read of what the council want for ours and I don't know
why they call it self-managed as they retain control of maintenance of
trees, that the council must give express consent for any alterations
of buildings, plots, layout, that the council get lists of who's on
the waiting lists, they can inspect at least 3 times a year, etc.

I can see the point in making the allotment group responsbile for
insurance - public liability and buildings insurance where there are
buildings, but if everything else they still have to ask permission
for then it's hardly being self-managed and it's just taking any
burden of funding away from the council.

Or am I just suspicious of the council?

From my own experience I think you are always sensible to treat anything any
Council does with suspicion. Their motives may not be the same as yours and
they can have a very long-term agenda that is not always apparent.
The best way to deal with them is to spend some time and get involved
yourself. As a member of the public you are allowed to sit and listen at
most Council meetings. I've been the only member of the public, indeed the
only person, in the Public Gallery on a number of occasions when important
local issues have been discussed, not even any Press!

So they want you to take on the cost responsibility for Insurance but what
else? They may insist they are consulted but who will pay for
fences/paths/security/damage repair.......etc?
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On Fri, 15 May 2009 22:59:37 +0100, "Bob Hobden"
wrote:


From my own experience I think you are always sensible to treat anything any
Council does with suspicion. Their motives may not be the same as yours and
they can have a very long-term agenda that is not always apparent.
The best way to deal with them is to spend some time and get involved
yourself. As a member of the public you are allowed to sit and listen at
most Council meetings. I've been the only member of the public, indeed the
only person, in the Public Gallery on a number of occasions when important
local issues have been discussed, not even any Press!

So they want you to take on the cost responsibility for Insurance but what
else? They may insist they are consulted but who will pay for
fences/paths/security/damage repair.......etc?

to insure all communal buildings and facilities to Full reinstatement
value

site must be maintained with minimum standards to be agreed with
council and federation and monitored by council. Stanards include
provision for maintenance of the entire site including fences, walls,
pathways, roadways, buildings and other other items deemed necessary.

Site to be managed in line with minimum standards to be agreed council
and federation and monitored by council. Incluing provision of utlity
services, refuse removal, recycling and other items as deemed
necesary.

Should standards referred to not be met, this will constitute a breach
of the lease, the society granated a 28 day period to rememdy the
breach. If breach not rectified then council can carry out required
works and re-charge the costs to the society.



... There's nothing about water in there other than a mention of
utilities -I have no idea of how much water rates would be on an
allotment site. I did find a reference from Salford Council who
"continue to maintain a wtare supply, where it already exists and pay
water rates" and I have read of an allotment group being on a meter
and therefore making the most of rainwater collection.


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