Hi,Folks, does anybody have any idea what colour is the Passion Flower variety called 'Sabine'
Many thanks, Lannerman.

"lannerman" wrote ...

Hi,Folks, does anybody have any idea what colour is the Passion Flower
variety called 'Sabine'

I think you may be confused, Sabine isn't a variety.
His name is at the end of some botanical names because he was a
botanist......
e.g.
Passiflora caeruleo-racemosa Sabine


--
Regards
Bob Hobden
just W. of London

Thanks Bob, Yes I probably am confused but I bought a job lot from a local nursery labelled 'Sabine' and he did not know the colour, I'll just have to wait until they flower and sell them next year. (I Have 35)
Regards Lannerman.

On 2009-09-18 22:33:34 +0100, lannerman
said:


Bob Hobden;864728 Wrote:
"lannerman" wrote ...-

Hi,Folks, does anybody have any idea what colour is the Passion
Flower
variety called 'Sabine'-

I think you may be confused, Sabine isn't a variety.
His name is at the end of some botanical names because he was a
botanist......
e.g.
Passiflora caeruleo-racemosa Sabine


--
Regards
Bob Hobden
just W. of London
Thanks Bob, Yes I probably am confused but I bought a job lot from a
local nursery labelled 'Sabine' and he did not know the colour, I'll
just have to wait until they flower and sell them next year. (I Have
35)
Regards Lannerman.

Someone may be able to ID it from the leaf if you can scan in a pic of
that. But the Passion Flowers that are sold to live outdoors in UK are
usually Passiflora caerulea and P. caerulea Constance Elliott. If
you've bought one for a conservatory, the choices are huge!
--
Sacha

In article ,
Sacha wrote:

Someone may be able to ID it from the leaf if you can scan in a pic of
that. But the Passion Flowers that are sold to live outdoors in UK are
usually Passiflora caerulea and P. caerulea Constance Elliott.

And even the latter is a bit tender for many/most places.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 2009-09-19 10:35:42 +0100, said:

In article ,
Sacha wrote:

Someone may be able to ID it from the leaf if you can scan in a pic of
that. But the Passion Flowers that are sold to live outdoors in UK are
usually Passiflora caerulea and P. caerulea Constance Elliott.

And even the latter is a bit tender for many/most places.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Indeed but do we know where lannerman lives?
--
Sacha

In message , Bob Hobden
writes

"lannerman" wrote ...

Hi,Folks, does anybody have any idea what colour is the Passion Flower
variety called 'Sabine'

I think you may be confused, Sabine isn't a variety.
His name is at the end of some botanical names because he was a
botanist......
e.g.
Passiflora caeruleo-racemosa Sabine


Sabine appears to have been a horticulturalist. He isn't responsible for
many botanical names, and they were published either in the Transactions
of the Horticultural Society, or by other authors.

IPNI doesn't have Passiflora caeruleo-racemosa Sabine, but their
coverage of horticultural hybrids (this would be P. caerulea x P.
racemosa) is incomplete. Since they omit this I can't safely assume that
the lack of records for other names in Passiflora due to Sabine means
that this was the only name in Passiflora that he introduced, but I
think it likely that this is the case.

This being the case, the plants under discussion should be P.
caeruleo-racemosa.

[Some time ago there were plants in circulation as Papaver Tatewok. They
turned out to be Papaver miyabeanum Tatew.(aki). This looks like a
similar case - the authority having been mistaken for a cultivar name,
and the epithet elided.]

Passiflora caeruleo-racemosa has red flowers. (Looking at a photograph
I'd narrow that down to deep crimson-pink.) But I can't be sure that
they aren't cultivars with other colours. (RHS Plant Finder has no
entries under Passiflora caeruleo-racemosa or Passiflora
caeruleoracemosa, so it doesn't help here.)
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

"Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote ...
after Bob Hobden writes
"lannerman" wrote ...

Hi,Folks, does anybody have any idea what colour is the Passion Flower
variety called 'Sabine'

I think you may be confused, Sabine isn't a variety.
His name is at the end of some botanical names because he was a
botanist......
e.g.
Passiflora caeruleo-racemosa Sabine


Sabine appears to have been a horticulturalist. He isn't responsible for
many botanical names, and they were published either in the Transactions
of the Horticultural Society, or by other authors.

IPNI doesn't have Passiflora caeruleo-racemosa Sabine, but their coverage
of horticultural hybrids (this would be P. caerulea x P. racemosa) is
incomplete. Since they omit this I can't safely assume that the lack of
records for other names in Passiflora due to Sabine means that this was
the only name in Passiflora that he introduced, but I think it likely that
this is the case.

This being the case, the plants under discussion should be P.
caeruleo-racemosa.

[Some time ago there were plants in circulation as Papaver Tatewok. They
turned out to be Papaver miyabeanum Tatew.(aki). This looks like a similar
case - the authority having been mistaken for a cultivar name, and the
epithet elided.]

Passiflora caeruleo-racemosa has red flowers. (Looking at a photograph I'd
narrow that down to deep crimson-pink.) But I can't be sure that they
aren't cultivars with other colours. (RHS Plant Finder has no entries
under Passiflora caeruleo-racemosa or Passiflora caeruleoracemosa, so it
doesn't help here.)

See the Wiki article on Joseph Sabine...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Sabine

and some more on the subject...
http://www.biologiezentrum.at/pdf_fr..._0753-0774.pdf

http://www.catalogueoflife.org/annua...cord_id=735428


--
Regards
Bob Hobden
just W. of London

In message , Bob Hobden
writes

"Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote ...
after Bob Hobden writes
"lannerman" wrote ...

Hi,Folks, does anybody have any idea what colour is the Passion Flower
variety called 'Sabine'

I think you may be confused, Sabine isn't a variety.
His name is at the end of some botanical names because he was a
botanist......
e.g.
Passiflora caeruleo-racemosa Sabine


Sabine appears to have been a horticulturalist. He isn't responsible for
many botanical names, and they were published either in the Transactions
of the Horticultural Society, or by other authors.

IPNI doesn't have Passiflora caeruleo-racemosa Sabine, but their coverage
of horticultural hybrids (this would be P. caerulea x P. racemosa) is
incomplete. Since they omit this I can't safely assume that the lack of
records for other names in Passiflora due to Sabine means that this was
the only name in Passiflora that he introduced, but I think it likely that
this is the case.

This being the case, the plants under discussion should be P.
caeruleo-racemosa.

[Some time ago there were plants in circulation as Papaver Tatewok. They
turned out to be Papaver miyabeanum Tatew.(aki). This looks like a similar
case - the authority having been mistaken for a cultivar name, and the
epithet elided.]

Passiflora caeruleo-racemosa has red flowers. (Looking at a photograph I'd
narrow that down to deep crimson-pink.) But I can't be sure that they
aren't cultivars with other colours. (RHS Plant Finder has no entries
under Passiflora caeruleo-racemosa or Passiflora caeruleoracemosa, so it
doesn't help here.)

See the Wiki article on Joseph Sabine...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Sabine

and some more on the subject...
http://www.biologiezentrum.at/pdf_fr..._0753-0774.pdf

I was wondering about the validity of P. caeruleo-racemosa, but didn't
have the relevant bit of the ICBN in memory.

So apparently there is a cultivar 'Sabine' (presuming that Menzel and
Menzel weren't propagating an earlier confusion of authority and
cultivar name). Plant Finder has P. violacea and 4 cultivars listed,
which would give some idea of the range of colours.

http://www.catalogueoflife.org/annua...species_detail
s.php?record_id=735428



--
Stewart Robert Hinsley