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Help: Are these persimmons?
I bought a persimmon tree years ago as an ornamental, (I'm in BC,
Canada, near the 49th parallel, so its fruit would not ripen here). The tree produces a heavy crop each year, but my "persimmons" don't look much like the ones I occasionally see in stores. Here is a link to a high-res photo: http://www.oldstox.com/images/persimmons.jpg The fruit are pear-shaped, heavy and firm, and have a downy fuzz over a yellow skin. Are they indeed a variety of persimmon? Thanks for any help. |
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Help: Are these persimmons?
On 2009-11-15 22:51:40 +0000, brafield said:
I bought a persimmon tree years ago as an ornamental, (I'm in BC, Canada, near the 49th parallel, so its fruit would not ripen here). The tree produces a heavy crop each year, but my "persimmons" don't look much like the ones I occasionally see in stores. Here is a link to a high-res photo: http://www.oldstox.com/images/persimmons.jpg The fruit are pear-shaped, heavy and firm, and have a downy fuzz over a yellow skin. Are they indeed a variety of persimmon? Thanks for any help. Do a Google image search on Cydonia oblonga or quince (NOT Chaenomeles aka Japanese quince) I think your fruit might be those. They're best when cooked. What do the flowers look like? And is the fruit perfumed? It might not be if it doesn't fully ripen with you. I'm not sure about this but they do look and sound very like Cydonia. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics. South Devon |
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Sacha wrote: On 2009-11-15 22:51:40 +0000, brafield said: I bought a persimmon tree years ago as an ornamental, (I'm in BC, Canada, near the 49th parallel, so its fruit would not ripen here). The tree produces a heavy crop each year, but my "persimmons" don't look much like the ones I occasionally see in stores. Here is a link to a high-res photo: http://www.oldstox.com/images/persimmons.jpg The fruit are pear-shaped, heavy and firm, and have a downy fuzz over a yellow skin. Are they indeed a variety of persimmon? Thanks for any help. Do a Google image search on Cydonia oblonga or quince (NOT Chaenomeles aka Japanese quince) I think your fruit might be those. They're best when cooked. What do the flowers look like? And is the fruit perfumed? It might not be if it doesn't fully ripen with you. I'm not sure about this but they do look and sound very like Cydonia. Absolutely. If so, they are quite wtrongly scented, with a very tangy flavour, and the leaves are furry and silverish underneath. A much superior fruit to a persimmon! I should be flabberghasted if they aren't. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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I disagree with Nick, a ripe persimmon (ie D. kaki, Japanese persimmon) is one of the most delicious fruit experiences on the planet. If you were in one of those bits of BC where they grow grapes and make wine, I would have thought you could grow them, though you'd be a bit on the edge. The American Persimmon D. virginiana grows as far north as New York, so maybe that would be easier to grow for you. There is also D. lotus which I think is easier to ripen than D. kaki, though it is rather different. |
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Help: Are these persimmons?
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echinosum wrote: Those are certainly (true) quinces. When the other posters say "best cooked" the reality is "inedible if not cooked". Peel and core them before cooking. You'll find various ideas for recipes for using them on the web. Usually keep for a few weeks if unblemished. Well, I eat them with pleasure, uncooked. I disagree with Nick, a ripe persimmon (ie D. kaki, Japanese persimmon) is one of the most delicious fruit experiences on the planet. There's no accounting for taste. I find them sickly. Give me a sun-ripened mango any day. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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THANKS TO EVERYONE for such prompt polite answers. Yes, they must be
quince --- how I bought the tree as "persimmon" I'll never know. The flowers' fragrance is not my favourite, and likewise, the only time I tried to eat one of the fruit I didn't suit my taste buds either. I checked the leaves and flowers as well, on Google, as suggested, and they match exactly. Yesterday I had to bring down and throw away the remaining fruit, as my annual visitor, a very fat black bear, had spent the night in my garden creating havoc and pooping prolifically --- and householders here can get a fine for leaving out bear attractants. Last year he wrenched off a major branch, something the "darling little deer" did to my apple tree too. The quince tree is not very big, perhaps fifteen feet high, but produces about 130 fruit, which seems very prolific. Again, thanks for your help and pointers; now I shall ask some local experts about quince --- perhaps it HAS been ripe and I didn't recognize the fact ---. |
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Help: Are these persimmons?
On 2009-11-16 17:46:16 +0000, brafield said:
THANKS TO EVERYONE for such prompt polite answers. Yes, they must be quince --- how I bought the tree as "persimmon" I'll never know. I wouldn't blame myself in your shoes. If people are unfamiliar with a tree or its fruit, mistakes can be made. The sellers may well have thought they had hold of a Persmimmon. Maybe you should go back and ask them for a Medlar. ;-) The flowers' fragrance is not my favourite, and likewise, the only time I tried to eat one of the fruit I didn't suit my taste buds either. Nick is one of our hardier species of urg plantlets. (D&R) ;-)) I checked the leaves and flowers as well, on Google, as suggested, and they match exactly. Yesterday I had to bring down and throw away the remaining fruit, as my annual visitor, a very fat black bear, had spent the night in my garden creating havoc and pooping prolifically --- and householders here can get a fine for leaving out bear attractants. Last year he wrenched off a major branch, something the "darling little deer" did to my apple tree too. The quince tree is not very big, perhaps fifteen feet high, but produces about 130 fruit, which seems very prolific. Yesssss - backing away slowly. We don't get a lot of that bear thing in England. The ones we have in our garden came from the chainsaw sculptors and are static! Again, thanks for your help and pointers; now I shall ask some local experts about quince --- perhaps it HAS been ripe and I didn't recognize the fact ---. But cook it or make jam from it. The original marmalade was made with quince - Cydonia NOT Chaenomeles. You do need to watch out for any muddle between those two, btw. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics. South Devon |
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Sacha wrote: On 2009-11-16 17:46:16 +0000, brafield said: Again, thanks for your help and pointers; now I shall ask some local experts about quince --- perhaps it HAS been ripe and I didn't recognize the fact ---. But cook it or make jam from it. The original marmalade was made with quince - Cydonia NOT Chaenomeles. You do need to watch out for any muddle between those two, btw. If you think that true quince is inedible raw, try Chaenomeles :-) Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Help: Are these persimmons?
On 2009-11-16 18:36:22 +0000, said:
In article , Sacha wrote: On 2009-11-16 17:46:16 +0000, brafield said: Again, thanks for your help and pointers; now I shall ask some local experts about quince --- perhaps it HAS been ripe and I didn't recognize the fact ---. But cook it or make jam from it. The original marmalade was made with quince - Cydonia NOT Chaenomeles. You do need to watch out for any muddle between those two, btw. If you think that true quince is inedible raw, try Chaenomeles :-) Regards, Nick Maclaren. I did. Once. Never, ever, ever again. It's a wonder I had children after that. ;-) -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics. South Devon |
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Help: Are these persimmons?
"Sacha" wrote in message ... On 2009-11-16 18:36:22 +0000, said: In article , Sacha wrote: On 2009-11-16 17:46:16 +0000, brafield said: Again, thanks for your help and pointers; now I shall ask some local experts about quince --- perhaps it HAS been ripe and I didn't recognize the fact ---. But cook it or make jam from it. The original marmalade was made with quince - Cydonia NOT Chaenomeles. You do need to watch out for any muddle between those two, btw. If you think that true quince is inedible raw, try Chaenomeles :-) Regards, Nick Maclaren. I did. Once. Never, ever, ever again. It's a wonder I had children after that. ;-) -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics. South Devon I think you're meant to put them in your mouth. Spider |
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Help: Are these persimmons?
Sacha writes
But cook it or make jam from it. The original marmalade was made with quince hence the name - marmelo is Portuguese for quince. The Portuguese still serve quince paste with cheese. It's intensely rich and sweet - impossible to eat more than a small square -- Kay |
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Help: Are these persimmons?
On 2009-11-16 20:32:35 +0000, K said:
Sacha writes But cook it or make jam from it. The original marmalade was made with quince hence the name - marmelo is Portuguese for quince. The Portuguese still serve quince paste with cheese. It's intensely rich and sweet - impossible to eat more than a small square We were given some a few years ago and I'm a little ashamed to say we didn't like it much. I think that's probably something to do with getting used to it. I absolutely love the Quince jam one sees in Med hotels, even while I'm sure it's a pale imitation of a home made version. It's just delicious. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics. South Devon |
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Help: Are these persimmons?
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K wrote: Sacha writes But cook it or make jam from it. The original marmalade was made with quince hence the name - marmelo is Portuguese for quince. The Portuguese still serve quince paste with cheese. It's intensely rich and sweet - impossible to eat more than a small square Well, some people can :-) Admittedly, even I can't eat many. If you make it at home, you don't have to make it AS sweet, though true quince paste might not keep made that way. Chaenomeles and damson cheese do, however, and the former has enough acid to taste sharp even when made with plenty of sugar to keep. It's fine even several years later. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Though I have heard that the Chinese quince or false quince, Pseudocydonia sinensis, is edible raw if frosted. |
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