"Chris J Dixon" wrote in message
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Charlie Pridham wrote:

Unlike Mike I am too lazy to compost I just put it all straight on the
ground

Whilst I have in the past had the luxury of multiple large
compost bins, I currently have no room for them, so the
shreddings go straight on the ground, and this seems to be
working well.

Chris
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Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh.


Chris, as has been reminded, we only have a small garden and have squeezed
our bins into a corner where two paths join the gardens. Someone on here
wanted to know how to construct a small bin so I took these pictures last
year, complete with a measure in view. Click on the picture to enlarge for
more details.

Coincidence is, that the photos were taken last time we turned the right bin
into the left. We did the same thing yesterday!! If I went and took photos
now, they would look the same!!!

http://www.myalbum.com/Album=A7TCLLF7

Mike


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'Mike' wrote:

Chris, as has been reminded, we only have a small garden and have squeezed
our bins into a corner where two paths join the gardens. Someone on here
wanted to know how to construct a small bin so I took these pictures last
year, complete with a measure in view. Click on the picture to enlarge for
more details.

http://www.myalbum.com/Album=A7TCLLF7

Yes, Mike, those look a really nice pair of bins. Out of
curiosity, what did the timber cost? My current garden has no
vegetable patch, and is simply a lawn with borders of varying
depth. There is nowhere to hide any bins.

Chris
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Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh.

"Chris J Dixon" wrote in message
...
'Mike' wrote:

Chris, as has been reminded, we only have a small garden and have squeezed
our bins into a corner where two paths join the gardens. Someone on here
wanted to know how to construct a small bin so I took these pictures last
year, complete with a measure in view. Click on the picture to enlarge for
more details.

http://www.myalbum.com/Album=A7TCLLF7

Yes, Mike, those look a really nice pair of bins. Out of
curiosity, what did the timber cost? My current garden has no
vegetable patch, and is simply a lawn with borders of varying
depth. There is nowhere to hide any bins.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh.


They didn't cost anything actually Chris because they were made out of a
fence I 'modified' :-)

We had a paling fence of these 3 x 1 timber 6 ft high between our raised veg
beds and the neighbours. Three things happened. The neighbour, a builder,
built a block shed for his tools. He put a wooden shed behind it for his
bike and fishing gear etc etc etc (well you know what gets into a shed) and
the third thing, the fence posts snapped/rotted off.

I redesigned the fence to be only 3 feet high, so had lots of 3 x 1 x 6fts
over :-))

Cut them to size, Cuprinolled them again and there you have it.

As has been pointed out many times, I am not 'A Gardener' in the plant
aspect, but in the hardware, layout of paths, building raised beds,
shredding and composting :-)) Cannot have everybody experts in gardening,
there would be nobody left to do the 'menial tasks' ;-))


Mike


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Today, is the tomorrow, you were worrying about, yesterday.
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On Nov 22, 10:43*pm, Janet wrote:
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says...



On 11/21/2010 08:09 PM, gardenlen wrote:
2 options i suppose, one don't shred material that is infected with
some disease or other that might be transmitted. most of us don't
experience that as we run healthy gardens.

Hello,

I wonder if down under you've less problems with disease because it's
dryer.

*Nope

http://www.daff.gov.au/animal-plant-...ests-diseases-
weeds/biosecurity/plant_biosecurity

*"most of us don't experience" garden diseases seems like a

stretch in our climate!

* If anything, Australia is even more careful about biosecurity than
Britain; travellers between states are banned from carrying fruits
because of the risk of spreading disease to commerial crops, and certain
plants are banned from entry or dispersal in the wild.

* In the UK, some highly infectious *plant diseases such as
phytophtheras are notifiable, because of the risks they pose to native
ecology, historic gardens, and commercial growers. The disposal of
phytophthera-infected plants (and various invasive weeds) is heavily
regulated and legislated.

http://www.forestry.gov.uk/forestry/INFD-85TDX6

* Janet.

That's P. ramorum Janet, others are not notifiable and are ubiquitous,
like potato blight and P. cinnamomi mainly a serious pest of nursery
stock though it was introduced accidentally to Tasmania and is
wreaking havoc in their native flora.

Rod

On Nov 22, 10:43*pm, Janet wrote:
In article ,
says...



On 11/21/2010 08:09 PM, gardenlen wrote:
2 options i suppose, one don't shred material that is infected with
some disease or other that might be transmitted. most of us don't
experience that as we run healthy gardens.

Hello,

I wonder if down under you've less problems with disease because it's
dryer.

*Nope

http://www.daff.gov.au/animal-plant-...ests-diseases-
weeds/biosecurity/plant_biosecurity

*"most of us don't experience" garden diseases seems like a

stretch in our climate!

* If anything, Australia is even more careful about biosecurity than
Britain; travellers between states are banned from carrying fruits
because of the risk of spreading disease to commerial crops, and certain
plants are banned from entry or dispersal in the wild.

* In the UK, some highly infectious *plant diseases such as
phytophtheras are notifiable, because of the risks they pose to native
ecology, historic gardens, and commercial growers. The disposal of
phytophthera-infected plants (and various invasive weeds) is heavily
regulated and legislated.

http://www.forestry.gov.uk/forestry/INFD-85TDX6

* Janet.

I think what Len was getting at is that many plant diseases are
shugged off by otherwise healthy well fed plants. You often tend to
see the diseases when the plant is in trouble for some other reason.

Rod

g'day emery,

where i live in the sub-ropics has wet and humid seasons, so yes many
gardeners down here can experience diseases.

we ourselves don't but maybe that might be more to do with how we plan
our gardens and hen look after them??

we have our spider mites, mealy bugs, aphids all gardeners do and the
odd wilt in tomato's and potato's. we get powdery mildew but only
toward the end of the plans productive life when the health of the
plant is at a lower ebb. all gets mulched.



On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 19:42:07 +0100, Emery Davis
wrote:

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Matthew 25:13 KJV
"Watch therefore, for ye know neither
the day nor the hour wherein the Son
of man cometh"

Mark 13:33 "Take ye heed, watch and pray:
for ye know not when the time is".

len

With peace and brightest of blessings,

"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

g'day janet,

it is uncommon for gardeners to get those sort of diseases that affect
commercial growers, and when it affects commercial growers it can be
because of a greedy grower or 2 trying to work outsid the control
system.

On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 22:43:50 -0000, Janet wrote:

snipped
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Matthew 25:13 KJV
"Watch therefore, for ye know neither
the day nor the hour wherein the Son
of man cometh"

Mark 13:33 "Take ye heed, watch and pray:
for ye know not when the time is".

len

With peace and brightest of blessings,

"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

not obsessed with naything emery not even sure how one could be
obsessed in such a way? w jsut practise good husbandry, and yes garden
centres have all sorts of common issues with their plants they neither
carry or sell plants that have serious issues. so there again we deal
with common garden issues which has no bearing on the mulching
suitability of the plant material.

we have tropical fruit fly to deal with that is not a disease that can
be fixed as their is almost no way of rapping the female fly, so we
net our soft fruits, and any damaged fruit gets destroyed not mulched
on site. but that only affects the fruit not the plant.

On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 00:06:19 +0100, Emery Davis
wrote:

snipped
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Matthew 25:13 KJV
"Watch therefore, for ye know neither
the day nor the hour wherein the Son
of man cometh"

Mark 13:33 "Take ye heed, watch and pray:
for ye know not when the time is".

len

With peace and brightest of blessings,

"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

In message ,
Janet writes
In article , gardenlen0
says...

g'day janet,

it is uncommon for gardeners to get those sort of diseases that affect
commercial growers, and when it affects commercial growers it can be
because of a greedy grower or 2 trying to work outsid the control
system.

Large parts of western UK are currently experiencing outbreaks of
disease that affects multiple species including native ones, can travel
on wind, rain, tools, feet (including wildlife) and plant material, and
has already been found in commercial plantations, private gardens, and
plant nurseries.

Add Country Parks to the mix. Two Country Parks locally (one of which is
overrun with Rhododendron ponticum) have Phytophora ramorum - the
eradication of Rhododendron ponticum for biodiversity reasons has now
been put on high priority for disease control reasons. The National
Trust garden next to one of the Country Parks also has it.

Janet
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

In article ,
says...
In article ,
says...

In message ,
Janet writes
In article , gardenlen0
says...

g'day janet,

it is uncommon for gardeners to get those sort of diseases that affect
commercial growers, and when it affects commercial growers it can be
because of a greedy grower or 2 trying to work outsid the control
system.

Large parts of western UK are currently experiencing outbreaks of
disease that affects multiple species including native ones, can travel
on wind, rain, tools, feet (including wildlife) and plant material, and
has already been found in commercial plantations, private gardens, and
plant nurseries.

Add Country Parks to the mix. Two Country Parks locally (one of which is
overrun with Rhododendron ponticum) have Phytophora ramorum - the
eradication of Rhododendron ponticum for biodiversity reasons has now
been put on high priority for disease control reasons. The National
Trust garden next to one of the Country Parks also has it.

Same here; a disaster since it's the NTS home of a famous Rhododendron
collection. The compulsory containment/eradication procedures are a
major headache for the estate and gardening staff, and will extend to
all private gardens within a 3 mile radius if the ministry inspectors
find it in any of them.

Janet

I am presently doing a small web site for the microprogation service at
Duchy College Rosewarne, who were set up to rescue rare Rhodos (and other
plants)under license In Cornwall this disease and others related to it
are now endemic and found in all the water courses, all the heath and
heather lands, all the forestry commission larch plantations (which are
currently being clear felled and pretty much all the big gardens,
government acted too little too late and I suspect in 20 years the
country may lose a significant % of its tree cover.

Best strategy seems to be to open up the woodland getting rid of
understory and crown lifting the trees but it is hugely expensive and
some idiot then decided they could not burn the cut laural due to the
cyanide so we have huge piles of diseased wood lying around
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

In message , Charlie
Pridham writes
Best strategy seems to be to open up the woodland getting rid of
understory and crown lifting the trees but it is hugely expensive and
some idiot then decided they could not burn the cut laural due to the
cyanide so we have huge piles of diseased wood lying around

Wouldn't a biomass power station take it?
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

"Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message
...
In message , Charlie
Pridham writes
Best strategy seems to be to open up the woodland getting rid of
understory and crown lifting the trees but it is hugely expensive and some
idiot then decided they could not burn the cut laural due to the cyanide
so we have huge piles of diseased wood lying around

Wouldn't a biomass power station take it?
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley


No doubt, but can't you see the outcry from the neighbours? ;-)

Mike

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Today, is the tomorrow, you were worrying about, yesterday.
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In article ,
says...
In message , Charlie
Pridham writes
Best strategy seems to be to open up the woodland getting rid of
understory and crown lifting the trees but it is hugely expensive and
some idiot then decided they could not burn the cut laural due to the
cyanide so we have huge piles of diseased wood lying around

Wouldn't a biomass power station take it?

They are not allowed to move it off site, I believe after a time they
will be allowed to use the commercial larch but only after de barking on
site. the laural is not allowed to be burnt so I would have thought
burning it in a power station wouldn't help (we don't have any very near
either)
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

On 24/11/2010 14:15, Charlie Pridham wrote:
In ,
says...

Best strategy seems to be to open up the woodland getting rid of
understory and crown lifting the trees but it is hugely expensive and
some idiot then decided they could not burn the cut laural due to the
cyanide so we have huge piles of diseased wood lying around

That is totally silly. Burning it will destroy the cyanide containing
glycosides and whilst you should not stand in the smoke it would be far
more likely that you would die of carbon monoxide poisoning first.

It isn't like poison ivy or oak where the smoke can actually be almost
as bad as mustard gas. Cyanide is pretty easily broken down in a fire.

Regards,
Martin Brown

In article ,
Martin Brown wrote:
On 24/11/2010 14:15, Charlie Pridham wrote:
In ,
says...

Best strategy seems to be to open up the woodland getting rid of
understory and crown lifting the trees but it is hugely expensive and
some idiot then decided they could not burn the cut laural due to the
cyanide so we have huge piles of diseased wood lying around

That is totally silly. Burning it will destroy the cyanide containing
glycosides and whilst you should not stand in the smoke it would be far
more likely that you would die of carbon monoxide poisoning first.

It isn't like poison ivy or oak where the smoke can actually be almost
as bad as mustard gas. Cyanide is pretty easily broken down in a fire.

Yes. I posted a reference to its extreme flammability some time
ago, but do note that the OP said "some idiot then decided". And,
if there are any such idiots reading this, the 'poison' attaches
to both the 'ivy' and the 'oak' :-)

However, think of all of the ecological benefits of a large
amount of rotting wood!


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.