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We have moved house last september and have a faily dececnt sized front and back garden (Both of wich need alot of work!).
I started clearing the back before the bad snow hit us (pulling out brambles, weed spraying, digging what will be the rockery over and lineing a patch i was hopeing to start with). I spent an afternon in the garden this week lobbing the tops off grass (growing between the paveing slabs) putting together what will be either a veggy patch or deep border (not decided what to put were yet really) and just tidying up alittle (hopeing to get out there later today too if the weather holds off!). I also had abit of a play about on the yard area by my back door as i wanted some colour not a scrap of mud that was there before (we made a small raised ish border) my winter flowering plants have now died back and spring bulbs are pokeing through. Sorry if my post is long i just want to give an idea of what i am working with (basicly a garden thats mostly paving slabs :-(). |
I'll get some photos of what i have to work with.
I'll be asking for lots of advise re. what to plant and were. What im after is an enclosed cottage type garden lots of grean (no bare soil) lots of colour, strong smelling plants to attract butterflys ect. |
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"floydie-pink" wrote We have moved house last september and have a faily dececnt sized front and back garden (Both of wich need alot of work!). I started clearing the back before the bad snow hit us (pulling out brambles, weed spraying, digging what will be the rockery over and lineing a patch i was hopeing to start with). I spent an afternon in the garden this week lobbing the tops off grass (growing between the paveing slabs) putting together what will be either a veggy patch or deep border (not decided what to put were yet really) and just tidying up alittle (hopeing to get out there later today too if the weather holds off!). I also had abit of a play about on the yard area by my back door as i wanted some colour not a scrap of mud that was there before (we made a small raised ish border) my winter flowering plants have now died back and spring bulbs are pokeing through. Sorry if my post is long i just want to give an idea of what i am working with (basicly a garden thats mostly paving slabs :-(). Interesting. Have all of you together decided what you want and designed your garden or is it going to evolve over time like most? -- Regards Bob Hobden W.of London. UK |
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"floydie-pink" wrote in message ... We have moved house last september and have a faily dececnt sized front and back garden (Both of wich need alot of work!). I started clearing the back before the bad snow hit us (pulling out brambles, weed spraying, digging what will be the rockery over and lineing a patch i was hopeing to start with). I spent an afternon in the garden this week lobbing the tops off grass (growing between the paveing slabs) putting together what will be either a veggy patch or deep border (not decided what to put were yet really) and just tidying up alittle (hopeing to get out there later today too if the weather holds off!). I also had abit of a play about on the yard area by my back door as i wanted some colour not a scrap of mud that was there before (we made a small raised ish border) my winter flowering plants have now died back and spring bulbs are pokeing through. Sorry if my post is long i just want to give an idea of what i am working with (basicly a garden thats mostly paving slabs :-(). -- floydie-pink You say 'we' are you both gardeners? And one of the first questions normally asked on this newsgroup, is 'where are you'? Mike -- .................................... Don't take life too seriously, you'll never get out alive .................................... |
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"'Mike'" wrote in message ... You say 'we' are you both gardeners? And one of the first questions normally asked on this newsgroup, is 'where are you'? Mike Cloud -CooKoo land springs to mind ! Regards Pete www.thecanalshop.com |
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"Pete" wrote in message ... "'Mike'" wrote in message ... You say 'we' are you both gardeners? And one of the first questions normally asked on this newsgroup, is 'where are you'? Mike Cloud -CooKoo land springs to mind ! Regards Pete www.thecanalshop.com That wasn't what I thought actually Pete ;-) Mike -- .................................... Don't take life too seriously, you'll never get out alive .................................... |
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"'Mike'" wrote "floydie-pink" wrote We have moved house last september and have a faily dececnt sized front and back garden (Both of wich need alot of work!). I started clearing the back before the bad snow hit us (pulling out brambles, weed spraying, digging what will be the rockery over and lineing a patch i was hopeing to start with). I spent an afternon in the garden this week lobbing the tops off grass (growing between the paveing slabs) putting together what will be either a veggy patch or deep border (not decided what to put were yet really) and just tidying up alittle (hopeing to get out there later today too if the weather holds off!). I also had abit of a play about on the yard area by my back door as i wanted some colour not a scrap of mud that was there before (we made a small raised ish border) my winter flowering plants have now died back and spring bulbs are pokeing through. Sorry if my post is long i just want to give an idea of what i am working with (basicly a garden thats mostly paving slabs :-(). You say 'we' are you both gardeners? And one of the first questions normally asked on this newsgroup, is 'where are you'? "Yard" might be a clue. -- Regards Bob Hobden W.of London. UK |
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And one of the first questions normally asked on this newsgroup, is 'where are you'? "Yard" might be a clue. And yet, the headers also include X-Complaints-To: Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh. |
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She talks quite distinctly about her garden , as in the bit that Sacha has quoted. Her only mention of "yard" is in one specific area - I think she has admirably eschewed the modern fad for referring to all paved/concreted areas as "patios". |
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Veggy patch/deep border - Use the best bit of garden you have for veg, they will really appreciate it. It's a lot easier to find flowers for difficult areas than it is to find veg for difficult areas. |
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On Jan 23, 12:46*am, Sacha wrote:
This is a British centred gardening group so we may not be able to help you in any sensible fashion. *Where *you have a 'yard', we have gardens. *I hope this helps you to find a group that might be of more use to you. My Grandad was a Brummie, and to him houses had a 'front garden' and a 'back yard', no matter the horticultural layout. |
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"bobharvey" wrote in message ... On Jan 23, 12:46 am, Sacha wrote: This is a British centred gardening group so we may not be able to help you in any sensible fashion. Where you have a 'yard', we have gardens. I hope this helps you to find a group that might be of more use to you. My Grandad was a Brummie, and to him houses had a 'front garden' and a 'back yard', no matter the horticultural layout. .................................................. .................... A Brummie? ............ Interesting ;-) Mike -- .................................... Don't take life too seriously, you'll never get out alive .................................... |
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"Sacha" wrote in message ... So it seems - the use of 'yard' sounded American. It's not unknown for people to wander in and find they've lost the way! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon As Mike says - it would help if people started this at the outset. Just as importantly - I expect to see a signature, especially with a first post. Pete www.thecanalshop.com South Cheshire |
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On Jan 23, 11:29*am, Sacha wrote:
On 2011-01-23 11:10:28 +0000, Jake said: On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:46:30 +0000, Sacha wrote: On 2011-01-22 12:25:01 +0000, floydie-pink said: We have moved house last september and have a faily dececnt sized front and back garden snip This is a British centred gardening group so we may not be able to help you in any sensible fashion. *Where *you have a 'yard', we have gardens. *I hope this helps you to find a group that might be of more use to you. Sacha - a quick check indicates that the OP is in South Yorkshire. Jake So it seems - the use of 'yard' sounded American. *It's not unknown for people to wander in and find they've lost the way! -- Sachawww.hillhousenursery.com South Devon- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Might be an idea for people to go back to the first post, "We have moved house last september and have a faily dececnt sized front and back garden (Both of wich need alot of work!)." "I spent an afternon in the garden this week " In my younger days many people in teraced houses talked about their "back yard" with the outside lavatory, the coal house and shed. Also the OP talkes about Mud not the US "Dirt". I wonder if any of you have ever come across people from the other side of the Pond that have moved here to live? My wife is Canadian but after 11 years she still talks about the "Yard" not garden. So why not give some ideas for "basicly a garden thats mostly paving slabs". David Hill |
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Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote: So it seems - the use of 'yard' sounded American. It's not unknown for people to wander in and find they've lost the way! When I was a kid the concreted area outside the kitchen window was referred to as the yard. Yard=garden is an Americanism, but yard as distinct from garden isn't. No, it isn't. Like many Americanisms, it's just old-fashioned English. Yard in that sense dates from 1350 - a time at which Transpondia had not yet been invaded - and lasted up to the present day in various dialects. It's no more extreme than referring to a brock. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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writes On 2011-01-23 11:10:28 +0000, Jake said: On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:46:30 +0000, Sacha wrote: On 2011-01-22 12:25:01 +0000, floydie-pink said: We have moved house last september and have a faily dececnt sized front and back garden snip This is a British centred gardening group so we may not be able to help you in any sensible fashion. Where you have a 'yard', we have gardens. I hope this helps you to find a group that might be of more use to you. Sacha - a quick check indicates that the OP is in South Yorkshire. Jake So it seems - the use of 'yard' sounded American. It's not unknown for people to wander in and find they've lost the way! When I was a kid the concreted area outside the kitchen window was referred to as the yard. Yard=garden is an Americanism, but yard as distinct from garden isn't. He said yard area, in a context where he was not equating it with the garden as a whole. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
Hi im from yorksire, the yard is just a term we use up here to refer to the concreat area by our back door (or backs as some people call them).
I am new to gardening and im unsure if this was the right place to post as you refer to "news group" i thought this was a forum my appoligies. |
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"Sacha" wrote in message ... We seem to have had more comment on his location than on the request for gardening advice! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon And an unwise assumption that the OP is male. Hence, part of my abhorrence of unsigned posts (:-( Pete www.thecanalsshop.com |
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wrote: Hi im from yorksire, the yard is just a term we use up here to refer to the concreat area by our back door (or backs as some people call them). I am new to gardening and im unsure if this was the right place to post as you refer to "news group" i thought this was a forum my appoligies. Hi F-P-. You cam here through Garden Banter and I guess you didn't read the info that's buried there. I visited GB for the first time today (to discover where you were from) and must admit that I won't bother again. This isn't because I can't be bothered but rather because the way Garden Banter presents things is, for me, confusing and difficult to work through. GB is, I suppose, a Forum. It's paid for by advertising (which is why you see so much of it). But when you send something to the UK Gardening area, GardenBanter's system simply sends it on to something called "USENET" and it comes through to something called a "NEWSGROUP" which is, in this case, us. If you don't understand the words in CAPS, type them into your search engine and you'll find out. Anyhow, here we are in the UK.REC.GARDENING NEWSGOUP looking at a post from someone called floydie-pink. I've told the group you're in South Yorkshire (though if I hadn't made a one off visit to GB we would not have known). Where you are is important. There are things that can grow in the warmer down-south places which won't grow up-North. It can also help to know which direction your bit of ground faces. There are plants that will grow happily in a west facing garden but which can be destroyed by the morning sun in an east facing one. And there's a major debate going on - are you a him or a her? We're not sexist; just nice to know! So please come back and tell us a bit more about yourself. Once we know all the ins and outs of your bit of land, you'll find we're all ready to help. Are you planning to lift the pavers for example? Do you want to grow vegetables or just flowers? How much time do you have to devote to the garden? There are high maintenance and low maintenance gardens. It's over to you. We're all waiting. Cheers Jake |
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"Pete" wrote in message ... "'Mike'" wrote in message ... You say 'we' are you both gardeners? And one of the first questions normally asked on this newsgroup, is 'where are you'? Mike Cloud -CooKoo land springs to mind ! Regards Pete www.thecanalshop.com You should know :-) Bill |
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"Sacha" wrote in message ... On 2011-01-22 12:25:01 +0000, floydie-pink said: We have moved house last september and have a faily dececnt sized front and back garden snip This is a British centred gardening group so we may not be able to help you in any sensible fashion. Where you have a 'yard', we have gardens. I hope this helps you to find a group that might be of more use to you. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon I believe people had "yards" before "patios", buying a "yard brush" gives a hint. Do you buy patio brushes these days - you know the big ones with the stiff bristles. Bill |
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"Sacha" wrote in message ... On 2011-01-23 13:51:03 +0000, Stewart Robert Hinsley said: In message , Sacha writes On 2011-01-23 11:10:28 +0000, Jake said: On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 00:46:30 +0000, Sacha wrote: On 2011-01-22 12:25:01 +0000, floydie-pink said: We have moved house last september and have a faily dececnt sized front and back garden snip This is a British centred gardening group so we may not be able to help you in any sensible fashion. Where you have a 'yard', we have gardens. I hope this helps you to find a group that might be of more use to you. Sacha - a quick check indicates that the OP is in South Yorkshire. Jake So it seems - the use of 'yard' sounded American. It's not unknown for people to wander in and find they've lost the way! When I was a kid the concreted area outside the kitchen window was referred to as the yard. Yard=garden is an Americanism, but yard as distinct from garden isn't. He said yard area, in a context where he was not equating it with the garden as a whole. We seem to have had more comment on his location than on the request for gardening advice! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Hear! Hear!....even though I can't give any meaningful advice. Bill |
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If you can get hold of a newsreader program and read it as a newsgroup, you'll find it a lot easier. For example, when threads bifurcate, you'll be able to follow each strand separately, rather than all muddled up as in gb, ad you'll be able to look at just the new posts that have appeared since you last looked at the group, rather than try to find them embedded higgledy-piggledy amongst the rest of the posts. But yes, it's absolutely the right place to post, with lots of knowledgeable people on here with all sorts of different areas of expertise. |
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"Sacha" wrote in message ... I doubt the gender of the poster is germane to the original question but fwiw, I was taught to use 'he' or 'him' if in doubt and I'm unlikely to change the habits of a lifetime now! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon To save others having to scuttle to their Chambers's like I had to -- germane = relevant. Considering that the op has not mastered the basics of some more commoner words of the English language. eg appoligies. concreat dececnt etc Perhaps replies using obscurer words, are inadvisable in this thread (:-) Pete |
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On 2011-01-24 00:06:13 +0000, "Pete" said: Do you think so? I write my way, others write their way. To my certain knowledge, some people posting here have dyslexia and writing is difficult for them so I'm not going to patronise them by 'dumbing down' my already fairly basic use of English. And look at you, eh - a whole new word you just learned - wow!! ;-)) (tongue firmly in cheek) And there is nothing obscure about the word 'germane'!! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Now there is a good test for my fellow workers later this morning. Germane = ? I will report back later (:-) Pete Nanneys Bridge Nursery South Cheshire. |
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Bob Hobden wrote:
"Chris J Dixon" wrote ... And yet, the headers also include X-Complaints-To: My post will but I can't see anything on the original posters headers other than GB. My mistake., I thought I had scrolled back to the OP, but was misled because your post did not appear to show it as quoted text. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh. |
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"Chris J Dixon" wrote ... Bob Hobden wrote: "Chris J Dixon" wrote ... And yet, the headers also include X-Complaints-To: My post will but I can't see anything on the original posters headers other than GB. My mistake., I thought I had scrolled back to the OP, but was misled because your post did not appear to show it as quoted text. Yes, I don't know why my PC sends messages without automatically showing previous stuff as quoted, must be something to do with Windows 7. 64 bit and/or Windows Live Mail. I've looked everywhere to try to change it back to how it used to be on my previous PC but can't find a way of doing it. It's why I usually put a line now between previous posts and mine. Damned annoying though. -- Regards Bob Hobden W.of London. UK |
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Considering that the op has not mastered the basics of some more commoner words of the English language. Pete More commoner words? In my day when we were taught English that would have been "more common words" Commoner - A member of the common people |
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"Sacha" wrote in message ... On 2011-01-23 17:36:16 +0000, "Bill Grey" said: "Sacha" wrote in message ... On 2011-01-22 12:25:01 +0000, floydie-pink said: We have moved house last september and have a faily dececnt sized front and back garden snip This is a British centred gardening group so we may not be able to help you in any sensible fashion. Where you have a 'yard', we have gardens. I hope this helps you to find a group that might be of more use to you. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon I believe people had "yards" before "patios", buying a "yard brush" gives a hint. Do you buy patio brushes these days - you know the big ones with the stiff bristles. Bill We have those large headed brooms here, if that's what you mean, Bill. To me a patio is a paved terrace. I thought a 'yard' was where you had e.g. the outside lav, the clothes line, the coal shed or log store etc. It was paved or concrete so that feet didn't get wet going to do the essentials!! Now - shall we get to helping this poor OP (I do hope that's pc enough) with his or her questions? S/He must think s/he's wandered into a madhouse! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon You are right of course, but my point was , we had yards before patios and the name carried on. A back yard, susally shortened to "the back" is what we had when I was a kid, and of course no patio. Bill |
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"Pete" wrote in message ... "Sacha" wrote in message ... I doubt the gender of the poster is germane to the original question but fwiw, I was taught to use 'he' or 'him' if in doubt and I'm unlikely to change the habits of a lifetime now! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon To save others having to scuttle to their Chambers's like I had to -- germane = relevant. Considering that the op has not mastered the basics of some more commoner words of the English language. eg appoligies. concreat dececnt etc Perhaps replies using obscurer words, are inadvisable in this thread (:-) Pete Youre a fine one! "More commoner", "obscurer",...indeed!..:-) Bill |
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"Bill Grey" wrote in message ... "Sacha" wrote in message ... On 2011-01-23 17:36:16 +0000, "Bill Grey" said: "Sacha" wrote in message ... On 2011-01-22 12:25:01 +0000, floydie-pink said: We have moved house last september and have a faily dececnt sized front and back garden snip This is a British centred gardening group so we may not be able to help you in any sensible fashion. Where you have a 'yard', we have gardens. I hope this helps you to find a group that might be of more use to you. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon I believe people had "yards" before "patios", buying a "yard brush" gives a hint. Do you buy patio brushes these days - you know the big ones with the stiff bristles. Bill We have those large headed brooms here, if that's what you mean, Bill. To me a patio is a paved terrace. I thought a 'yard' was where you had e.g. the outside lav, the clothes line, the coal shed or log store etc. It was paved or concrete so that feet didn't get wet going to do the essentials!! Now - shall we get to helping this poor OP (I do hope that's pc enough) with his or her questions? S/He must think s/he's wandered into a madhouse! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon You are right of course, but my point was , we had yards before patios and the name carried on. A back yard, susally shortened to "the back" is what we had when I was a kid, and of course no patio. Bill My parents had an hotel and the 'back yard' was the bit outside the kitchen door between two parts of the hotel, later built over to enlarge the kitchen. The back garden was concreted over for car and coach parking. Mike -- .................................... Don't take life too seriously, you'll never get out alive .................................... |
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Pete wrote:
Now there is a good test for my fellow workers later this morning. Germane = ? If they are no wiser when you tell them it means pertinent, I should give up. Personally, I like to use interesting language when I can, and used to be constantly surprised by the limited vocabulary of some of my colleagues, all of whom were qualified to at least degree standard. If you can't use or understand the subtleties of the language, how is it possible to convey your thoughts effectively? Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh. |
Hi i do indeed have a coal shed, suppose i could be seen as common, have terrible spelling (and my spell check has gone somewere i dont know how to get it back????).
And i am a she. Hahaha Am i mad enough to join the madness?? |
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: Considering that the op has not mastered the basics of some more commoner words of the English language. Pete More commoner words? In my day when we were taught English that would have been "more common words" Commoner - A member of the common people And this "Pete" fellow had the cheek to pull me up with my spelling! Just as well it/he/she is in my plonk/killfile. I bet these long winter nights are made shorter in its house because of the spellbinding wit and bullish leadership it thinks it has. Baz |
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"Baz" wrote in message ... Dave Hill wrote in : More commoner words? In my day when we were taught English that would have been "more common words" Commoner - A member of the common people And this "Pete" fellow had the cheek to pull me up with my spelling! Just as well it/he/she is in my plonk/killfile. I bet these long winter nights are made shorter in its house because of the spellbinding wit and bullish leadership it thinks it has. Baz "Commoner" ---- good word unless used in the wrong place as could be caused by imbibing excess Chardonnay -Soave mixture, late at night ! I truly forgot to test my colleagues on the meaning of the "g" word this morning. Regards Pete Nanneys Bridge (plant) Nursery |
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"floydie-pink" wrote in message ... Hi i do indeed have a coal shed, suppose i could be seen as common, have terrible spelling (and my spell check has gone somewere i dont know how to get it back????). And i am a she. Hahaha Am i mad enough to join the madness?? -- floydie-pink Perhaps too mad (:-( Sacha's male default mode fails again ! Perhaps you will divulge your real name next (:-) Regards Pete |
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: Hi i do indeed have a coal shed, suppose i could be seen as common, have terrible spelling (and my spell check has gone somewere i dont know how to get it back????). And i am a she. Hahaha Am i mad enough to join the madness?? Please don't judge all of us. I am from North Lincs. and understand. There are some people here in this group who like, and take delight in putting down us "northerners", but they are just ignorant. We have something more than they have and they know it. Hang in here floydie. We may hear something comfortably........ Baz |
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On Jan 24, 4:22*pm, Baz wrote:
floydie-pink wrote : Hi i do indeed have a coal shed, suppose i could be seen as common, have terrible spelling (and my spell check has gone somewere i dont know how to get it back????). And i am a she. Hahaha Am i mad enough to join the madness?? Please don't judge all of us. I am from North Lincs. and understand. There are some people here in this group who like, and take delight in putting down us "northerners", but they are just ignorant. We have something more than they have and they know it. Hang in here floydie. We may hear something comfortably........ Baz I do not agree that any "putting down" in this group is based on geographical location. Speaking as a fellow northerner that is (:-) Regards Pete |
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"Pete" wrote in message ... On Jan 24, 4:22 pm, Baz wrote: floydie-pink wrote : Hi i do indeed have a coal shed, suppose i could be seen as common, have terrible spelling (and my spell check has gone somewere i dont know how to get it back????). And i am a she. Hahaha Am i mad enough to join the madness?? Please don't judge all of us. I am from North Lincs. and understand. There are some people here in this group who like, and take delight in putting down us "northerners", but they are just ignorant. We have something more than they have and they know it. Hang in here floydie. We may hear something comfortably........ Baz I do not agree that any "putting down" in this group is based on geographical location. Speaking as a fellow northerner that is (:-) Regards Pete .................................................. ..................... No, I have found the putting down is on where you are on the Social Ladder Mike -- .................................... Don't take life too seriously, you'll never get out alive .................................... |
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