On Wed, 7 Sep 2011, Martin wrote:

Meteorological Aumun started at the beginning of September

Why has the Met Office decided in their wisdom that autumn now begins at
the beginning of September (likewise the other seasons to the first of
the month)? The seasons have always been linked to the solstices and
equinoxes. Changing it is just confusing and there's no point to it.

David

--
David Rance
writing from Le Mesnil Villement, Calvados, France

In article ,
David Rance wrote:
On Wed, 7 Sep 2011, Martin wrote:

Meteorological Aumun started at the beginning of September

Why has the Met Office decided in their wisdom that autumn now begins at
the beginning of September (likewise the other seasons to the first of
the month)? The seasons have always been linked to the solstices and
equinoxes. Changing it is just confusing and there's no point to it.

You must be VERY young! I didn't even come across the equinox/solistice
rule until well into adulthood, and thought that it was bonkers when
I did. I still do.

Of the MANY traditional rules, the 3 months to each season is as
rational as any - and that makes September, October and November
autumn. And that was in widespread and common (perhaps even almost
universal) use in the 1950s.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On Thu, 8 Sep 2011, Nick Maclaren wrote:

Meteorological Aumun started at the beginning of September

Why has the Met Office decided in their wisdom that autumn now begins at
the beginning of September (likewise the other seasons to the first of
the month)? The seasons have always been linked to the solstices and
equinoxes. Changing it is just confusing and there's no point to it.

You must be VERY young! I didn't even come across the equinox/solistice
rule until well into adulthood, and thought that it was bonkers when
I did. I still do.

Of the MANY traditional rules, the 3 months to each season is as
rational as any - and that makes September, October and November
autumn. And that was in widespread and common (perhaps even almost
universal) use in the 1950s.

Now that's strange because I was very much alive in the '50s and the
equinox/solstice rule was the one I learned. I learned about the 1st of
the month rule only when the weather forecasters started trotting it out
in recent years.

David

--
David Rance
writing from Le Mesnil Villement, Calvados, France

On Thu, 8 Sep 2011, Martin wrote:

Meteorological Autumn started at the beginning of September

Why has the Met Office decided in their wisdom that autumn now begins at
the beginning of September (likewise the other seasons to the first of
the month)?

Something to do with the relationship between midsummer's day and the
traditional start of summer?

Midsummer's day is the 24th June, not the 20th/21st.

The seasons have always been linked to the solstices and
equinoxes. Changing it is just confusing and there's no point to it.

Meteorological seasons are a better match weather wise.

But are they? These days nothing seems to match.

David

--
David Rance
writing from Le Mesnil Villement, Calvados, France

On Sep 8, 8:54*am, Martin wrote:
On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 08:28:50 +0100, David Rance

wrote:
On Thu, 8 Sep 2011, Martin wrote:

Meteorological Autumn started at the beginning of September

Why has the Met Office decided in their wisdom that autumn now begins at
the beginning of September (likewise the other seasons to the first of
the month)?

Something to do with the relationship between midsummer's day and the
traditional start of summer?

Midsummer's day is the 24th June, not the 20th/21st.

Three days after the start of summer it is midsummer?
Don't you find that odd? Met. summer is three weeks better :-)



The seasons have always been linked to the solstices and
equinoxes. Changing it is just confusing and there's no point to it.

Meteorological seasons are a better match weather wise.

But are they? These days nothing seems to match.

It feels like autumn so met. autumn is a better match
--

Martin

In the UK we don't have seasons we just have weather.

Well, that depends where you are, doesn't it. We've had a dreadful summer, 4th on the trot, with rain and cold wind for most of it. No, we haven't had a drought - but the sweet peppers haven't even flowered yet (in a greenhouse), let alone borne any fruit.

On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 08:25:08 +0100, David Rance
wrote:

On Thu, 8 Sep 2011, Nick Maclaren wrote:

Meteorological Aumun started at the beginning of September

Why has the Met Office decided in their wisdom that autumn now begins at
the beginning of September (likewise the other seasons to the first of
the month)? The seasons have always been linked to the solstices and
equinoxes. Changing it is just confusing and there's no point to it.

You must be VERY young! I didn't even come across the equinox/solistice
rule until well into adulthood, and thought that it was bonkers when
I did. I still do.

Of the MANY traditional rules, the 3 months to each season is as
rational as any - and that makes September, October and November
autumn. And that was in widespread and common (perhaps even almost
universal) use in the 1950s.

Now that's strange because I was very much alive in the '50s and the
equinox/solstice rule was the one I learned. I learned about the 1st of
the month rule only when the weather forecasters started trotting it out
in recent years.

David

I learned all this stuff in school in the 60s. I only remember it all
because the geography teacher was a prat who worried more about the
colour ink you used than what you wrote. My blue pen had run out of
ink so I'd written an essay in black ink. I got a zero simply because
black ink must only be used for teacher's dictation. On the other
hand, at least I remember something!

Cheers
Jake
==============================================
Gardening at the dry end (east) of Swansea Bay
in between reading anything by JRR Tolkien.

www.rivendell.org.uk

"Martin" wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 Sep 2011 10:21:49 +0100, Jake Nospam@invalid wrote:

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I learned all this stuff in school in the 60s. I only remember it all
because the geography teacher was a prat who worried more about the
colour ink you used than what you wrote. My blue pen had run out of
ink so I'd written an essay in black ink. I got a zero simply because
black ink must only be used for teacher's dictation. On the other
hand, at least I remember something!

Was he a former civil servant? I have vague recollections of rules
about who could use various coloured inks.
--

Martin


Back in the 60's, only the Accountants and Auditors could use a green pen on
the Prudential!!

Mike


--

....................................

Don't take life too seriously, you'll never get out alive.

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In message , David Rance
writes
On Wed, 7 Sep 2011, Martin wrote:

Meteorological Aumun started at the beginning of September

Why has the Met Office decided in their wisdom that autumn now begins
at the beginning of September (likewise the other seasons to the first
of the month)? The seasons have always been linked to the solstices and
equinoxes. Changing it is just confusing and there's no point to it.

David

Astronomical seasons start and end at the solstices and equinoxes.

Meteorological seasons start and end at the beginning of the months
containing the solstices and equinoxes.

Actual seasons don't match either, and vary from year to year.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

"'Mike'" wrote in message
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Winter wind and rain here. South East coast of the Isle of Wight.

Ferries out of Portsmouth and Poole stopped I hear :-(

What have you got and where are you?

The good point? Tops the water butts up and settles any dust about ;-(

Mike

--

...................................

Don't take life too seriously, you'll never get out alive.

...................................


The tail end of the last US hurricane.

Bill

"David Rance" wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 Sep 2011, Nick Maclaren wrote:

Meteorological Aumun started at the beginning of September

Why has the Met Office decided in their wisdom that autumn now begins at
the beginning of September (likewise the other seasons to the first of
the month)? The seasons have always been linked to the solstices and
equinoxes. Changing it is just confusing and there's no point to it.

You must be VERY young! I didn't even come across the equinox/solistice
rule until well into adulthood, and thought that it was bonkers when
I did. I still do.

Of the MANY traditional rules, the 3 months to each season is as
rational as any - and that makes September, October and November
autumn. And that was in widespread and common (perhaps even almost
universal) use in the 1950s.

Now that's strange because I was very much alive in the '50s and the
equinox/solstice rule was the one I learned. I learned about the 1st of
the month rule only when the weather forecasters started trotting it out
in recent years.

David


Besides, our calender is "man-made" whereas the seasons, equinoxes, spring
tides and neap tides are all related. Don't try mixing the two. I'm with
you David.

Bill

"Sacha" wrote in message
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On 2011-09-07 21:20:25 +0100, Kath said:

On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 08:02:21 +0100, "'Mike'"
wrote:

Winter wind and rain here. South East coast of the Isle of Wight.

Ferries out of Portsmouth and Poole stopped I hear :-(

What have you got and where are you?

The good point? Tops the water butts up and settles any dust about ;-(

Mike

Why is everybody so eager to rush into winter? They complain they've had
no summer (it's
not been THAT bad) and one bit of wind and rain and it's winter!

Enjoy the benefits of Autumn when it really does arrive in 2 weeks'
time. There was a
beautiful mist over the water meadows a few days ago and sunshine which
lifted my spirits
no end.

Maybe it's just that the summer has been so awful that it's almost a
relief to stop hoping/pretending that we may yet get a good deal.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon

We had summer and autumn last weekend !!

Bill

"Martin" wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 18:02:23 +0100, "Bill Grey"
wrote:


The tail end of the last US hurricane.

... is due on Monday.
--

Martin

For you maybe, we had a very stormy night last Sunday.

Bill

"Martin" wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 19:12:48 +0100, Sacha wrote:

On 2011-09-08 18:21:07 +0100, "Bill Grey" said:


"Sacha" wrote in message
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On 2011-09-07 21:20:25 +0100, Kath said:

On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 08:02:21 +0100, "'Mike'"

wrote:

Winter wind and rain here. South East coast of the Isle of Wight.

Ferries out of Portsmouth and Poole stopped I hear :-(

What have you got and where are you?

The good point? Tops the water butts up and settles any dust about
;-(

Mike

Why is everybody so eager to rush into winter? They complain they've
had
no summer (it's
not been THAT bad) and one bit of wind and rain and it's winter!

Enjoy the benefits of Autumn when it really does arrive in 2 weeks'
time. There was a
beautiful mist over the water meadows a few days ago and sunshine
which
lifted my spirits
no end.

Maybe it's just that the summer has been so awful that it's almost a
relief to stop hoping/pretending that we may yet get a good deal.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon

We had summer and autumn last weekend !!

Bill

We seem to have done the same today. It's been a bit blowy, a bit
rainy, a bit sunny and rather muggy, too. No frost or snow, so far!

Another gale is forecast for Sunday and an even bigger one for Monday.
They seem to come in pairs.
--

Martin

There are two sides to a hurricane - the leading edge and the diametrically
opposite edge passing through later.
Bill

"Martin" wrote in message
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On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 09:31:44 +0100, "Bill Grey"
wrote:


"Martin" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 18:02:23 +0100, "Bill Grey"
wrote:


The tail end of the last US hurricane.

... is due on Monday.
--

Martin

For you maybe, we had a very stormy night last Sunday.

That was the penultimate hurricane reaching Western Europe,
--

Martin

Oh I didn't know there were two:-)

Bill