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Anyone fancy putting a name to this line of trees?
http://i43.tinypic.com/majyas.jpg We're hoping they may be worthy of a tree preservation order to prevent the house behind them being demolished, so we'd like to emphasise any merits. How old might they be? Looking a bit sorry for them selves right now, but sprouting nicely from the trunk, and . Any help appreciated. |
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"stuart noble" wrote in message ... Anyone fancy putting a name to this line of trees? http://i43.tinypic.com/majyas.jpg We're hoping they may be worthy of a tree preservation order to prevent the house behind them being demolished, so we'd like to emphasise any merits. How old might they be? Looking a bit sorry for them selves right now, but sprouting nicely from the trunk, and . Any help appreciated. Why? Why are you hoping to stop the house being demolished? If its for sale, buy it and save it. Mike -- .................................... I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight. .................................... |
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On 16/03/2012 12:56, 'Mike' wrote:
"stuart noble" wrote in message ... Anyone fancy putting a name to this line of trees? http://i43.tinypic.com/majyas.jpg We're hoping they may be worthy of a tree preservation order to prevent the house behind them being demolished, so we'd like to emphasise any merits. How old might they be? Looking a bit sorry for them selves right now, but sprouting nicely from the trunk, and . Any help appreciated. Why? Why are you hoping to stop the house being demolished? If its for sale, buy it and save it. Mike Strangely enough I don't have a spare half million |
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"stuart noble" wrote in message ... On 16/03/2012 12:56, 'Mike' wrote: "stuart noble" wrote in message ... Anyone fancy putting a name to this line of trees? http://i43.tinypic.com/majyas.jpg We're hoping they may be worthy of a tree preservation order to prevent the house behind them being demolished, so we'd like to emphasise any merits. How old might they be? Looking a bit sorry for them selves right now, but sprouting nicely from the trunk, and . Any help appreciated. Why? Why are you hoping to stop the house being demolished? If its for sale, buy it and save it. Mike Strangely enough I don't have a spare half million Slap a Listed Building Status or a Preservation Order on it if you think it's that worth saving. That is of course, if it's not just a case of NIMBY Mike -- .................................... I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight. .................................... |
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Slap a Listed Building Status or a Preservation Order on it if you think it's that worth saving. Is that something I can pick up from my local library? :-) I don't think anything is "slapped on" that easily or nothing would ever get demolished. |
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On Mar 16, 12:56*pm, "'Mike'" wrote:
"stuart noble" wrote in message ... Anyone fancy putting a name to this line of trees? http://i43.tinypic.com/majyas.jpg We're hoping they may be worthy of a tree preservation order to prevent the house behind them being demolished, so we'd like to emphasise any merits. How old might they be? Looking a bit sorry for them selves right now, but sprouting nicely from the trunk, and . Any help appreciated. Why? Why are you hoping to stop the house being demolished? If its for sale, buy it and save it. Mike -- ................................... I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight.. ................................... The old dump you live in should have been demolished years ago Mike! |
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On 16/03/2012 13:06, Janet wrote:
In , says... Anyone fancy putting a name to this line of trees? http://i43.tinypic.com/majyas.jpg We're hoping they may be worthy of a tree preservation order to prevent the house behind them being demolished, so we'd like to emphasise any merits. How old might they be? They are cordyline australis; aka cabbage palms. I'd say those are maybe 15 years old, possibly less. Not native, so of minimal value to wildlife, and not reliably hardy or longlasting in UK as the pic shows. Those trees' struggling growth above ground indicates they are moribund, so they have no "landscape" amnity value either. However, if the trunk dies or is felled to ground level for other reasons, cordylines will regrow from the roots. Fast. That's their usual lifecycle in the UK. Or, in coastal supermarkets here, one can buy a healthy young cordyline for about £2 and grow a brand new, fast, better replacement to that size in less than a decade. So I'd say, on every possible count, they are absolute non-starters for TPO protection. Sorry :-) Janet Worth a try :-) |
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"stuart noble" wrote in message ... Anyone fancy putting a name to this line of trees? http://i43.tinypic.com/majyas.jpg We're hoping they may be worthy of a tree preservation order to prevent the house behind them being demolished, so we'd like to emphasise any merits. How old might they be? Looking a bit sorry for them selves right now, but sprouting nicely from the trunk, and . Any help appreciated. It is Cordyline australis, and is not 100% hardy (it gets killed to the ground in hard winters so you will not be able to get a tree preservation order on them as strictly speaking they are not trees -- Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall Holders of National Collections of Clematis viticella and Lapageria rosea cvs http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk |
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:46:09 +0000, stuart noble
wrote: Anyone fancy putting a name to this line of trees? http://i43.tinypic.com/majyas.jpg We're hoping they may be worthy of a tree preservation order to prevent the house behind them being demolished, so we'd like to emphasise any merits. How old might they be? Looking a bit sorry for them selves right now, but sprouting nicely from the trunk, and . Any help appreciated. Cordyline australis from New Zealand so they do well here unless we have a few cold winters. The ones in your picture looked to have suffered a bit. Sprout in from the trunk will produce new branches but the dead leaves need cutting off soon. Steve -- Neural Network Software. http://www.npsl1.com EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. http://www.easynn.com SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. http://www.swingnn.com JustNN. Just Neural Networks. http://www.justnn.com |
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"stuart noble" wrote in message ... Anyone fancy putting a name to this line of trees? http://i43.tinypic.com/majyas.jpg We're hoping they may be worthy of a tree preservation order to prevent the house behind them being demolished, so we'd like to emphasise any merits. How old might they be? Looking a bit sorry for them selves right now, but sprouting nicely from the trunk, and . Any help appreciated. As others have said, no chance. why do you think preserving trees will prevent a house from being demolished? Let me guess, it's near you, in a good bit of ground and the developers are after it? |
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On 17/03/2012 02:37, Christina Websell wrote:
"stuart wrote in message ... Anyone fancy putting a name to this line of trees? http://i43.tinypic.com/majyas.jpg We're hoping they may be worthy of a tree preservation order to prevent the house behind them being demolished, so we'd like to emphasise any merits. How old might they be? Looking a bit sorry for them selves right now, but sprouting nicely from the trunk, and . Any help appreciated. As others have said, no chance. why do you think preserving trees will prevent a house from being demolished? I think that because.... preserving trees reduces what the developers can put in its place, hopefully to the point where it isn't worthwhile proceeding. Let me guess, it's near you, in a good bit of ground and the developers are after it? Of course, what else is planning all about? It also happens to be council owned park land (Park Keeper's Lodge), so by no means ethically straightforward. Do I detect a slightly patronising tone? Why would that be? |
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"stuart noble" wrote in message ... On 17/03/2012 02:37, Christina Websell wrote: "stuart wrote in message ... Anyone fancy putting a name to this line of trees? http://i43.tinypic.com/majyas.jpg We're hoping they may be worthy of a tree preservation order to prevent the house behind them being demolished, so we'd like to emphasise any merits. How old might they be? Looking a bit sorry for them selves right now, but sprouting nicely from the trunk, and . Any help appreciated. As others have said, no chance. why do you think preserving trees will prevent a house from being demolished? I think that because.... preserving trees reduces what the developers can put in its place, hopefully to the point where it isn't worthwhile proceeding. Let me guess, it's near you, in a good bit of ground and the developers are after it? Of course, what else is planning all about? It also happens to be council owned park land (Park Keeper's Lodge), so by no means ethically straightforward. Do I detect a slightly patronising tone? Why would that be? Are you doing this on your own? Do you have any past experience with this sort of opposition? Are you acting with others? I have a fair amount of experience of fighting of both having Planning Permission applied AND opposed A few tips. (Without knowing where or how much land is involved) Worth looking into .................. If it is Council Owned Park there may be a Covenant on the land 'For the Benefit of the locals' sort of application. The Park may have been given to the local community by a Landed Gentry years ago with restrictions. The House itself may have a Covenant on for the same reason There is the possibility of slapping 'Listed Building' on it because of its past use. The local Council owned a piece of land near me and applied to themselves for planning permission for a development of Bungalows. I opposed it because of the lack of sewerage facilities and the capability of coping with more houses. I put a sting in the tail of the letter, to the effect that should they grant planning permission and build, 'and if as a result numbers XX, YY, and ZZ get flooded they will have the right to sue the Council for neglect" (Neighbours HAD been flooded because of the surface water problem and XX, YY, and ZZ would be the next in line) The Chief Exec was not very pleased with me, the near neighbours were :-) The latest I have been involved with, along with A LOT of people, is again with the possibility of a development, is saving our local Theatre www.shanklintheatre.com . That involved having a Grade II Listed Building slapped on it at the last minute. Don't know who did it, but it worked. There are some ideas for you, BUT, they are ideas which might not apply or have a wax cats chance in hell, but if you and a group of people are determined, crack on. One SURE way of stopping it, is buy it. Not as daft as it may seem. I had a piece of land and got planning permission for two pairs of houses, but I had to buy a house with a wide side garden to drive a road in. The house was on the open market when I bought it. People opposed the planning application. It was flung out, "You could have stopped it by buying the house and land" Mike -- .................................... I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight. .................................... |
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Are you doing this on your own? Do you have any past experience with this sort of opposition? Are you acting with others? I'm just a bit player in this although I am probably the most affected. The Friends of the park in question is a well established group, and includes a surveyor experienced in this kind of thing. The initial plan has been slung out, but it was hinted that a reduced density version might get through. I could live with that, but The Friends are going for the jugular and trying to dream up some kind of park related use for the building. I have a fair amount of experience of fighting of both having Planning Permission applied AND opposed A few tips. (Without knowing where or how much land is involved) Worth looking into .................. If it is Council Owned Park there may be a Covenant on the land 'For the Benefit of the locals' sort of application. The Park may have been given to the local community by a Landed Gentry years ago with restrictions. The House itself may have a Covenant on for the same reason There is the possibility of slapping 'Listed Building' on it because of its past use. According to the local paper the land was transferred to the council from The Charity Commissioners in 1904 and there were plans for a keeper's lodge. However, this does not appear in Kelly's Directory until 1916, so one assumes it was built some 10 years later. I guess I could verify this with The Land Registry. The local Council owned a piece of land near me and applied to themselves for planning permission for a development of Bungalows. I opposed it because of the lack of sewerage facilities and the capability of coping with more houses. I put a sting in the tail of the letter, to the effect that should they grant planning permission and build, 'and if as a result numbers XX, YY, and ZZ get flooded they will have the right to sue the Council for neglect" (Neighbours HAD been flooded because of the surface water problem and XX, YY, and ZZ would be the next in line) The Chief Exec was not very pleased with me, the near neighbours were :-) The latest I have been involved with, along with A LOT of people, is again with the possibility of a development, is saving our local Theatre www.shanklintheatre.com . That involved having a Grade II Listed Building slapped on it at the last minute. Don't know who did it, but it worked. Yes, strange that. We have a civic society and I believe their advice was to try and get it put on the council's "buildings of architectural or historic interest" list. Not a cat in hell's chance of getting it listed apparently. I don't see it's of any interest to anyone, but I'll keep that to myself. There are some ideas for you, BUT, they are ideas which might not apply or have a wax cats chance in hell, but if you and a group of people are determined, crack on. One SURE way of stopping it, is buy it. Not as daft as it may seem. I had a piece of land and got planning permission for two pairs of houses, but I had to buy a house with a wide side garden to drive a road in. The house was on the open market when I bought it. People opposed the planning application. It was flung out, "You could have stopped it by buying the house and land" Mike Thanks for the tips. My impression is that the planners are universally opposed to the scheme but that their decisions must be robust enough not to be overturned on appeal. Same everywhere I imagine. |
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"stuart noble" wrote in message ... Are you doing this on your own? Do you have any past experience with this sort of opposition? Are you acting with others? I'm just a bit player in this although I am probably the most affected. The Friends of the park in question is a well established group, and includes a surveyor experienced in this kind of thing. The initial plan has been slung out, but it was hinted that a reduced density version might get through. I could live with that, but The Friends are going for the jugular and trying to dream up some kind of park related use for the building. I have a fair amount of experience of fighting of both having Planning Permission applied AND opposed A few tips. (Without knowing where or how much land is involved) Worth looking into .................. If it is Council Owned Park there may be a Covenant on the land 'For the Benefit of the locals' sort of application. The Park may have been given to the local community by a Landed Gentry years ago with restrictions. The House itself may have a Covenant on for the same reason There is the possibility of slapping 'Listed Building' on it because of its past use. According to the local paper the land was transferred to the council from The Charity Commissioners in 1904 and there were plans for a keeper's lodge. However, this does not appear in Kelly's Directory until 1916, so one assumes it was built some 10 years later. I guess I could verify this with The Land Registry. The local Council owned a piece of land near me and applied to themselves for planning permission for a development of Bungalows. I opposed it because of the lack of sewerage facilities and the capability of coping with more houses. I put a sting in the tail of the letter, to the effect that should they grant planning permission and build, 'and if as a result numbers XX, YY, and ZZ get flooded they will have the right to sue the Council for neglect" (Neighbours HAD been flooded because of the surface water problem and XX, YY, and ZZ would be the next in line) The Chief Exec was not very pleased with me, the near neighbours were :-) The latest I have been involved with, along with A LOT of people, is again with the possibility of a development, is saving our local Theatre www.shanklintheatre.com . That involved having a Grade II Listed Building slapped on it at the last minute. Don't know who did it, but it worked. Yes, strange that. We have a civic society and I believe their advice was to try and get it put on the council's "buildings of architectural or historic interest" list. Not a cat in hell's chance of getting it listed apparently. I don't see it's of any interest to anyone, but I'll keep that to myself. There are some ideas for you, BUT, they are ideas which might not apply or have a wax cats chance in hell, but if you and a group of people are determined, crack on. One SURE way of stopping it, is buy it. Not as daft as it may seem. I had a piece of land and got planning permission for two pairs of houses, but I had to buy a house with a wide side garden to drive a road in. The house was on the open market when I bought it. People opposed the planning application. It was flung out, "You could have stopped it by buying the house and land" Mike Thanks for the tips. My impression is that the planners are universally opposed to the scheme but that their decisions must be robust enough not to be overturned on appeal. Same everywhere I imagine. """ According to the local paper the land was transferred to the council from The Charity Commissioners in 1904 and there were plans for a keeper's lodge. However, this does not appear in Kelly's Directory until 1916, """ I would put money on the fact that a covenant would have been slapped on it by the Charity Commissioners. I was involved many years ago with a Theatre which had been converted from a Methodist Chapel. The Methodists had slapped a proviso .... 'No Alcohol', so for a long time, no bar. Eventually the restriction was lifted and they built one. Been very successful ever since. I am just a member of that Theatre and don't have much to do with it. BTW. A covenant can be applied to a piece of land without any clauses and, this is the nasty bit in your case, not registered. If your house/park has a covenant 'for the benefits of the locals' and HAS been registered, ALL locals would have to sign their permission to have it removed. Mike -- .................................... I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight. .................................... |
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