Strange how these shrubs are so often overlooked by people.
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...Deutziamxd.jpg
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f.../Deutzia01.jpg
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...tzia02ajpg.jpg
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f.../Deutzia03.jpg
All lost lable sorry
David @ the damp and windy end of Swansea Bay

On 23/06/2012 14:10, David Hill wrote:
Strange how these shrubs are so often overlooked by people.
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...Deutziamxd.jpg
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f.../Deutzia01.jpg
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...tzia02ajpg.jpg
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f.../Deutzia03.jpg
All lost lable sorry
David @ the damp and windy end of Swansea Bay

Nice photos, and I couldn't agree more. Deutzia are so uncommon
(although I've seen more recently - a couple in an NGS garden today, as
it happens) that, until a couple of years ago, when I saw Deutzia in
flower in gardens I had no idea what it was.

It's just a shame that they are all - more-or-less - deciduous. Just
think how popular an evergreen, highly scented Deutzia would be!

--

Jeff

On Saturday, 23 June 2012 14:10:21 UTC+1, Dave Hill wrote:
Strange how these shrubs are so often overlooked by people.
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...Deutziamxd.jpg
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f.../Deutzia01.jpg
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...tzia02ajpg.jpg
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f.../Deutzia03.jpg
All lost lable sorry
David @ the damp and windy end of Swansea Bay

This sort of feeds into my thread about the response of people to plants. If they're buying from our local garden centre they will see a little green plant in a 12 or 15cm pot at 3 for a tenner and won't have a clue what a beauty they're missing. That's how we got several of those 'run of the mill' shrubs 2 years ago and they are all big and beautiful now. They are common because they are good and reliable but regarded with scant respect because they are common.
As Bob says folks are generally ignorant about pruning in particular and plant care in general; why? I don't know - perhaps the level of literacy isn't as good as HM Gov think it is.

Rod

I thought HM Gov thought gardening and litter picking required the same level of skill?

On 23/06/2012 14:10, David Hill wrote:
Strange how these shrubs are so often overlooked by people.
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...Deutziamxd.jpg
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f.../Deutzia01.jpg
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...tzia02ajpg.jpg
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f.../Deutzia03.jpg
All lost lable sorry
David @ the damp and windy end of Swansea Bay







They're lovely, Dave! I have a few Deutzias in my garden and they make
very good shrubs ... if you know how to prune them, to echo Bob's
response. D. 'Pride of Rochester' is looking stunning at the moment. I
have an early flowering one, whose name I need to check, and a later
flowering one (July/August), which is D. setchuenensis corymbiflora.
They all have different growth habits and, yes, all are deciduous, but I
don't regard this as a problem. I really enjoy seeing the new season's
leaf buds break. Also, they're good companions for spring bulbs because
they let light through to ground flora.

--
Spider
from high ground in SE London
gardening on clay

In article , Spider
writes
D. setchuenensis corymbiflora.



That's one i have, such a change from the normal ones and much much
smaller, or it is in my garden.
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

On 28/06/2012 12:47, Janet Tweedy wrote:
In article , Spider
writes
D. setchuenensis corymbiflora.



That's one i have, such a change from the normal ones and much much
smaller, or it is in my garden.




Mine is still small, as in recently planted. I searched high and low
for one for years, then just walked up to one in a garden centre on
holiday. I can't wait for it to put on some growth. I think it
eventually makes something like 6ft.

--
Spider
from high ground in SE London
gardening on clay

In article , Spider
writes
ine is still small, as in recently planted. I searched high and low
for one for years, then just walked up to one in a garden centre on
holiday. I can't wait for it to put on some growth. I think it
eventually makes something like 6ft.


Mine is about 8 foot but very airy, the growth tends to look as if the
plant is having a bad hair day . Train it on one stem Spider it is so
much nicer to see the flowers hanging down in great arches.
After flowering just take out every stem that's flowered back to a new
growth.
--
Janet Tweedy

On 29/06/2012 10:52, Janet Tweedy wrote:
In article , Spider
writes
ine is still small, as in recently planted. I searched high and low
for one for years, then just walked up to one in a garden centre on
holiday. I can't wait for it to put on some growth. I think it
eventually makes something like 6ft.


Mine is about 8 foot but very airy, the growth tends to look as if the
plant is having a bad hair day . Train it on one stem Spider it is so
much nicer to see the flowers hanging down in great arches.
After flowering just take out every stem that's flowered back to a new
growth.




Is that how you've grown yours? Does it cope well with windage on the
raised crown? How tall is the trunk before the crown develops, and does
the trunk strengthen (thicken) over the years? Sorry for so many
questions. I'd be really interested to see a pic, if possible, as I've
only ever seen it as a shrub.

--
Spider
from high ground in SE London
gardening on clay

In article , David Hill
writes
Strange how these shrubs are so often overlooked by people.



Mine is looking really good this year but not a patch on those in Sacha
and ray's garden!! I think it must be the one Roy Lancaster noticed in
the Car Park, ............ beautiful ..........
--
Janet Tweedy

In article , Sacha
writes
Deutzia Magicien is on the Hydrangea Walk, the path that borders the
churchyard and where we also saw that nice red Persicaria Red Dragon.



Yes, sorry confusing lovely plants
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

"Sacha" wrote ...

David Hill said:

Strange how these shrubs are so often overlooked by people.
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...Deutziamxd.jpg
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f.../Deutzia01.jpg
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...tzia02ajpg.jpg
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f.../Deutzia03.jpg
All lost lable sorry
David @ the damp and windy end of Swansea Bay

Looking at the last one, it's just possible that's Deutzia Magicien. If
you look on Google for images of it, you'll be able to tell. When Roy
Lancaster was here, he saw it growing in our garden and said to Ray "I
beter you sell masses of that". "Hardly any" was the reply. They seem to
have gone out of fashion, which is a shame because they're wonderful
shrubs. Janet and her friend loved it when they came here on Wednesday, so
now we've got to find one if we can, or send some bits!

The trouble is they need pruning hard immediately after flowering, taking
out all the just flowered canes, and people either don't understand that or
do not like to cut a large shrub down to a few new green shoots in the
middle of summer. It can ruin the look of a small garden. So they leave it
and it gets bigger and bigger and more ugly until they grub it out, same
thing with Lilac and Buddleia.
--
Regards. Bob Hobden.
Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK

Philadelphus is popular. In general rather similar to Deutzia, flowers a bit less pretty, but much more scented, which I would guess is the winning feature. Philadelphus's pruning needs are similar also, though I don't know if Deutzia suffers more from not getting the proper pruning than Ph. In the end there's no room in my garden for a Deutzia because I already have a Philadelphus, and I chose one with fancier flowers than the norm. I'm happy to enjoy Deutzia when I encounter it elsewhere, not taking up room in my garden.

I wonder, what's in a name: I have a theory that if Deutzia had a "common" name, it would sell better.

Rachel

(don't get me started on Scabious; horrible name. Bet the Scabious fairy hates the Wintersweet fairy...)

In article , echinosum
writes
do not like to cut a large shrub down to a few new green shoots in the
middle of summer. I


Love doing that It looks so much better to have lovely new green
shoots than the old flowered stems and do so tidy up a garden. Trouble
is trying to convince people that it will come back just as good next
year. i do it without he philadelphus by the front door and so it is
kept confined but even on this forum people have said i shouldn't cut
the old stems out after flowering.!
--
Janet Tweedy