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Ragnar wrote:
There's a lovely red one that I keep seeing (or perhaps a family of them on the allotment. I've not seen one quite like it before. Red Admiral I wonder? Oddly, I think I would recognise a red admiral. Could have been one of these: http://www.bbc.co.uk/essex/content/i...70_470x352.jpg |
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wrote in message ... Ragnar wrote: There's a lovely red one that I keep seeing (or perhaps a family of them on the allotment. I've not seen one quite like it before. Red Admiral I wonder? Oddly, I think I would recognise a red admiral. Could have been one of these: http://www.bbc.co.uk/essex/content/i...70_470x352.jpg Very pretty but not a butterfly of course. Love Ragnar |
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Ragnar wrote:
There's a lovely red one that I keep seeing (or perhaps a family of them on the allotment. I've not seen one quite like it before. Red Admiral I wonder? Oddly, I think I would recognise a red admiral. Could have been one of these: http://www.bbc.co.uk/essex/content/i...70_470x352.jpg Very pretty but not a butterfly of course. Hmm, sings are in the wrong direction. Not sure it's the same one, as I remember checking the one I saw and I'm pretty sure it /was/ a butterfly not a moth, and there is less red on the one in the picture. It's the 'right' red though. |
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Ragnar wrote:
Oddly, I think I would recognise a red admiral. Could have been one of these: http://www.bbc.co.uk/essex/content/i...70_470x352.jpg Very pretty but not a butterfly of course. If it /is/ that one, it appears to be a cinnabar moth: http://www.butterfly-conservation.or...tures=&Family= |
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"kay" wrote in message ... No Name;964168 Wrote: Ragnar wrote:-- Oddly, I think I would recognise a red admiral. Could have been one of these: http://tinyurl.com/bl8rzok- Very pretty but not a butterfly of course.- If it /is/ that one, it appears to be a cinnabar moth: 'Identify a day-flying moth - Butterfly Conservation' (http://tinyurl.com/d399s5u) One reason for not killing all the ragwort. Unless you have horses. They will rarely eat ragwort when it is growing but when dried in hay they will and not a lot of it causes severe liver damage up to and including death. Cinnabar moths do prefer ragwort as a caterpillar plant but their caterpillars can also do without it and eat various grasses. ISTR that ragwort is a notifiable weed and you are obliged to pull it up by law. I might be wrong on this. When I had a horse I was ruthless if one plant popped it's head up in her paddock. I like cinnabar moths but I liked my horse better. My friend's pony died from ragwort poisoning and was ill for ages before diagnosis so I never took that chance. |
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On 15/07/2012 22:01, Christina Websell wrote:
"kay" wrote in message ... No Name;964168 Wrote: Ragnar wrote:-- Oddly, I think I would recognise a red admiral. Could have been one of these: http://tinyurl.com/bl8rzok- Very pretty but not a butterfly of course.- If it /is/ that one, it appears to be a cinnabar moth: 'Identify a day-flying moth - Butterfly Conservation' (http://tinyurl.com/d399s5u) One reason for not killing all the ragwort. Unless you have horses. They will rarely eat ragwort when it is growing but when dried in hay they will and not a lot of it causes severe liver damage up to and including death. Cinnabar moths do prefer ragwort as a caterpillar plant but their caterpillars can also do without it and eat various grasses. ISTR that ragwort is a notifiable weed and you are obliged to pull it up by law. I might be wrong on this. When I had a horse I was ruthless if one plant popped it's head up in her paddock. I like cinnabar moths but I liked my horse better. My friend's pony died from ragwort poisoning and was ill for ages before diagnosis so I never took that chance. It's not notifiable , you only have to look at how much grows along the Motorways where it's left to it's own devices. David @ the showery end of Swansea bay |
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 22:09:47 +0100, David Hill
wrote: It's not notifiable , you only have to look at how much grows along the Motorways where it's left to it's own devices. David @ the showery end of Swansea bay It's merely an "injurious weed" as per the Weeds Act of 1950something (yep, there is such an Act). The Sec of State can serve a notice on someone on whose land common ragwort (among I think 5 weeds in total) is growing to prevent its spread. Indeed Ragwort got its own Act in 2003 I believe. IIRC it's hilarious. Cheers, Jake ======================================= Urgling from the East End of Swansea Bay where sometimes it's raining and sometimes it's not. |
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 23:12:24 +0100, Janet wrote:
In article , says... ISTR that ragwort is a notifiable weed and you are obliged to pull it up by law. I might be wrong on this. You are. Janet Unless the Secretary of State for something or other ((in Wales the Welsh Ministers) don't know about Scotland) issues you with a notice. I noticed a bit growing out of my front hedge and yanked it up because it was a weed. A couple of days later I got a letter from the local council telling me that I had a noxious weed growing on my land and ..... Seems the jobsworths had been around that day and it was pure co-incidence. They sent me a separate letter the same day telling me that a tree was growing over the pavement and I needed to cut it back. I pointed out that they had previously sent me a letter telling me not to cut it back. Cheers, Jake ======================================= Urgling from the East End of Swansea Bay where sometimes it's raining and sometimes it's not. |
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1) It is not notifiable. No plants, as far as I am aware, are notifiable. If someone tells you that a plant is notifiable, try asking them who you are supposed to notify ;-) 2) You are not obliged to pull it up, merely to take measure to avoid its spreading IF you have been served notice to this effect by the Ministry (ie someone else has been able to demonstrate that your ragwort is spreading on to their land). It is covered by two Acts The Weeds Act 1959, which covers spear thistle, creeping thistle, curled dock, broad leaved dock and ragwort, allows MAFF (presumably now DEFRA) to serve a notice on a landowner to take whatever measures are required to stop the weed spreading. The Ragwort Control Act 2003 provides for the Minister to draw up a code of practice on the control of Ragwort.
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"kay" wrote in message ... Christina Websell;964507 Wrote: Unless you have horses. They will rarely eat ragwort when it is growing but when dried in hay they will and not a lot of it causes severe liver damage up to and including death. I did say a reason for not killing ALL the ragwort. Of course you're going to kill it on or next to grazing land. But it is a british native plant, and therefore I don't think it is reasonable to seek to eradicate completely from the UK. ISTR that ragwort is a notifiable weed and you are obliged to pull it up by law. I might be wrong on this. yes, you are indeed wrong on two counts.[/i][/color] I knew it! 1) It is not notifiable. No plants, as far as I am aware, are notifiable. If someone tells you that a plant is notifiable, try asking them who you are supposed to notify ;-) 2) You are not obliged to pull it up, merely to take measure to avoid its spreading IF you have been served notice to this effect by the Ministry (ie someone else has been able to demonstrate that your ragwort is spreading on to their land). It is covered by two Acts The Weeds Act 1959, which covers spear thistle, creeping thistle, curled dock, broad leaved dock and ragwort, allows MAFF (presumably now DEFRA) to serve a notice on a landowner to take whatever measures are required to stop the weed spreading. The Ragwort Control Act 2003 provides for the Minister to draw up a code of practice on the control of Ragwort. Maybe I was thinking of this Act. I did say I could be wrong about it being notifiable. I've eliminated it from my land. It took a few years. -- kay |
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Sacha wrote:
If it /is/ that one, it appears to be a cinnabar moth: http://www.butterfly-conservation.or...tures=&Family= That's beautiful. I've never seen one before in the flesh but hope they'll visit us one day. I saw a pic the other day of a gorgeous moth (we think) with a bright scarlet 'tail' and navy wings with white splodges. If I can find the pic again, I'll give a link to it. There is an identification guide on that website: http://www.butterfly-conservation.org/ |
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