On Jul 12, 9:34*am, Moonraker wrote:
On 11/07/2012 21:52, Steerpike wrote:







On Jul 11, 2:44 pm, "Pete" wrote:
Whilst I have every sympathy for Baz and others who have been affected by
recent weather/floods etc., isn't it about time this newsgroup got back to
what is supposed to be about -i.e. GARDENING!!!

It seems that the majority of threads this month alone have been
non-gardening - and the same was true in June

Come on all you gardeners - let-s have your thoughts/questions on gardening
please please please

Jeanne

Surely the effects of climate change (which will in time make
gardening out of doors pretty much impossible), are perhaps extremely
relevant to this particular group? The weather may well effect members
of this group far more than most, and to me it seems very worrying
that almost all group members seem to have swallowed corp media
propaganda suggesting climate change either doesnt exist or is
irrelevant, even in the face of the worst summer since records began,
and similar situations in many other parts of the world.

On what basis do you blame global warming? The forecasts of its effect
has been totally out in the past, after all they use computer models,
not real life. Also this is by no means the worst summer in living
memory, though bad. It was only 40 years ago that the "scientists" were
predicting a mini ice age because it was exceptionally cold. As regards
it meaning eventually there will be no more gardening that certainly is
not predicted to happen in the lifetime of any posters here, even by the
most gloomy predictors. Why have people who do not agree with you been
biassed by corporate media propaganda any more than you being biassed by
the other side?

--
Residing on low ground in North Staffordshire

Obviously you are better informed than the Met Office, who seem to be
suggesting this is the worst summer during the course of the 100 years
information relating to our weather has been being
recorded.................maybe you should put them right?

On 12/07/2012 20:30, Steerpike wrote:
On Jul 12, 9:34 am, Moonraker wrote:
On 11/07/2012 21:52, Steerpike wrote:







On Jul 11, 2:44 pm, "Pete" wrote:
Whilst I have every sympathy for Baz and others who have been affected by
recent weather/floods etc., isn't it about time this newsgroup got back to
what is supposed to be about -i.e. GARDENING!!!

It seems that the majority of threads this month alone have been
non-gardening - and the same was true in June

Come on all you gardeners - let-s have your thoughts/questions on gardening
please please please

Jeanne

Surely the effects of climate change (which will in time make
gardening out of doors pretty much impossible), are perhaps extremely
relevant to this particular group? The weather may well effect members
of this group far more than most, and to me it seems very worrying
that almost all group members seem to have swallowed corp media
propaganda suggesting climate change either doesnt exist or is
irrelevant, even in the face of the worst summer since records began,
and similar situations in many other parts of the world.

On what basis do you blame global warming? The forecasts of its effect
has been totally out in the past, after all they use computer models,
not real life. Also this is by no means the worst summer in living
memory, though bad. It was only 40 years ago that the "scientists" were
predicting a mini ice age because it was exceptionally cold. As regards
it meaning eventually there will be no more gardening that certainly is
not predicted to happen in the lifetime of any posters here, even by the
most gloomy predictors. Why have people who do not agree with you been
biassed by corporate media propaganda any more than you being biassed by
the other side?

--
Residing on low ground in North Staffordshire

Obviously you are better informed than the Met Office, who seem to be
suggesting this is the worst summer during the course of the 100 years
information relating to our weather has been being
recorded.................maybe you should put them right?

The problem with these "worst than" or "hottest" etc is where they
measure it, probably London as everything is centred there. However
there are large variations over the country, small though it is, which
is why forecasting can be so hit and miss. I have often listened to the
forecast, found it wrong, driven a few miles away and there is the
forecast weather.

--
Residing on low ground in North Staffordshire

"Moonraker" wrote in message
...
The problem with these "worst than" or "hottest" etc is where they measure
it, probably London as everything is centred there. However there are
large variations over the country, small though it is, which is why
forecasting can be so hit and miss. I have often listened to the forecast,
found it wrong, driven a few miles away and there is the forecast weather.

The UK is not a small country. London is closer to Geneva than it is to
where I live. When I
drive to London and cross the border at Gretna, I am more than halfway to my
destination
and the UK mainland extends a further 100 miles north of me. The Met. Office
have no conception
of the geography of this part of the UK and only rarely have any knowledge
of current weather
conditions - accurate forecasts are hardly ever given. Much more accurate
forecasts for this
area are given by the Norwegian Met. Office.

Phil
Northern Highlands of Scotland

In article ,
Phil Gurr wrote:
"Moonraker" wrote in message
...

The problem with these "worst than" or "hottest" etc is where they measure
it, probably London as everything is centred there. However there are
large variations over the country, small though it is, which is why
forecasting can be so hit and miss. I have often listened to the forecast,
found it wrong, driven a few miles away and there is the forecast weather.

The UK is not a small country. London is closer to Geneva than it is to
where I live. When I
drive to London and cross the border at Gretna, I am more than halfway to my
destination
and the UK mainland extends a further 100 miles north of me. The Met. Office
have no conception
of the geography of this part of the UK and only rarely have any knowledge
of current weather
conditions - accurate forecasts are hardly ever given. Much more accurate
forecasts for this
area are given by the Norwegian Met. Office.

Actually, it IS a small country by global standards (though perhaps
not by European ones). And, while it has more variation in climate
per mile than most, it doesn't have all that much. The reason
that it seems more is that we are so close to the limit of the
habitable regions.

However, your points about it being run by people who think that
Potter's Bar is the northern outpost of civilisation are very true.
The abominable new projection used for the BBC weather forecast
shows their mindset all too clearly. Dammit, they regard Cambridge
as being at the northern border of southern England.

Last week I was walking in the Monadhliath mountains, but I know
enough to know they are NOT in the north of Scotland! Most people
I meet don't.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 7/13/2012 6:04 AM, Phil Gurr wrote:

The UK is not a small country. London is closer to Geneva than it is to
where I live. When I
drive to London and cross the border at Gretna, I am more than halfway to my
destination
and the UK mainland extends a further 100 miles north of me. The Met. Office
have no conception
of the geography of this part of the UK and only rarely have any knowledge
of current weather
conditions - accurate forecasts are hardly ever given. Much more accurate
forecasts for this
area are given by the Norwegian Met. Office.

And the Met Office accuracy is even worse up the road from you, on the
north coast.

Phil
Northern Highlands of Scotland

In article ,
says...

"Moonraker" wrote in message
...
The problem with these "worst than" or "hottest" etc is where they measure
it, probably London as everything is centred there. However there are
large variations over the country, small though it is, which is why
forecasting can be so hit and miss. I have often listened to the forecast,
found it wrong, driven a few miles away and there is the forecast weather.

The UK is not a small country.

No, it's tiny :-) There are 10 states in the USA, each larger than
mainland Britain.

Janet.

On Jul 13, 8:44*am, Moonraker wrote:
On 12/07/2012 20:30, Steerpike wrote:







On Jul 12, 9:34 am, Moonraker wrote:
On 11/07/2012 21:52, Steerpike wrote:

On Jul 11, 2:44 pm, "Pete" wrote:
Whilst I have every sympathy for Baz and others who have been affected by
recent weather/floods etc., isn't it about time this newsgroup got back to
what is supposed to be about -i.e. GARDENING!!!

It seems that the majority of threads this month alone have been
non-gardening - and the same was true in June

Come on all you gardeners - let-s have your thoughts/questions on gardening
please please please

Jeanne

Surely the effects of climate change (which will in time make
gardening out of doors pretty much impossible), are perhaps extremely
relevant to this particular group? The weather may well effect members
of this group far more than most, and to me it seems very worrying
that almost all group members seem to have swallowed corp media
propaganda suggesting climate change either doesnt exist or is
irrelevant, even in the face of the worst summer since records began,
and similar situations in many other parts of the world.

On what basis do you blame global warming? The forecasts of its effect
has been totally out in the past, after all they use computer models,
not real life. Also this is by no means the worst summer in living
memory, though bad. It was only 40 years ago that the "scientists" were
predicting a mini ice age because it was exceptionally cold. As regards
it meaning eventually there will be no more gardening that certainly is
not predicted to happen in the lifetime of any posters here, even by the
most gloomy predictors. Why have people who do not agree with you been
biassed by corporate media propaganda any more than you being biassed by
the other side?

--
Residing on low ground in North Staffordshire

Obviously you are better informed than the Met Office, who seem to be
suggesting this is the worst summer during the course of the 100 years
information relating to our weather has been being
recorded.................maybe you should put them right?

The problem with these "worst than" or "hottest" etc is where they
measure it, probably London as everything is centred there. However
there are large variations over the country, small though it is, which
is why forecasting can be so hit and miss. I have often listened to the
forecast, found it wrong, driven a few miles away and there is the
forecast weather.

--
Residing on low ground in North Staffordshire

Like it or notwithstanding whether you choose to believe the records
related to weather in the past or not, its very hard not to notice the
fact that it has ****ed down nearly every day for about a month now!