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Chipper/shredders?
On 13/09/13 15:22, Martin wrote:
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 14:51:29 +0100, Tom Gardner wrote: On 13/09/13 11:40, Martin wrote: On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 11:21:24 +0100, Tom Gardner wrote: On 29/08/13 08:53, Tim Watts wrote: Hi, I did read this: http://www.u-r-g.co.uk/shredder.htm but if I was looking for a shredder/chipper to handle odd branches and lots of hawthorn clippings, which would be a good model? The purpose is to have less bulk and more ready to compost material. Electric is OK. Bosch have a few that will do (claimed) up to 4cm or so thick branches. I will have a few of those, but mostly I'm looking to deal with a wheelie bin packed solid with finer clippings from mainly a hawthorn hedge. Will any of the consumer ones be useful rather than a PITA? Last time I used a chipper it was a full sized hire one - as in "stuff in an entire 3" hawthorn trunk with branches and watch as the hydraulic power feed sucked it to its doom". Cheers! Tim For info only, without comment: http://www.which.co.uk/news/2013/09/deal-of-the-week-save-165-on-this-bosch-garden-shredder--333735/ When did Which? start advertising products? Strictly speaking, never. But nowadays the word "strictly" has to be included To all intents and purposes deal of the week is an advert, I don't regret canceling my Which? subscription ten years ago,. I have considered that, but don't think it is justified. They are still the best source of general information. Their "local traders" section has the distinct advantage that (compared to say TripAdvisor) people have to pay before they can express an opinion, which keeps the riff-raff out My Dutch CA subscription is about to be cancelled too. More ethically tricky, IMHO, is that they allow products to advertise they are "which? best buy", e.g. https://www.aldi.co.uk/en/information/awards-endorsements/which-best-buy-awards-2013/ In the early days they used take legal action against those who did. They did indeed. I rather like that. Nowadays one has to take their lack-of-bias much more on trust. If I ever saw something that made me doubt it, I'd re-evaluate my position. |
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Chipper/shredders?
On 13/09/13 15:43, Martin wrote:
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 15:39:18 +0100, Tom Gardner wrote: On 13/09/13 15:22, Martin wrote: On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 14:51:29 +0100, Tom Gardner wrote: On 13/09/13 11:40, Martin wrote: On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 11:21:24 +0100, Tom Gardner wrote: On 29/08/13 08:53, Tim Watts wrote: Hi, I did read this: http://www.u-r-g.co.uk/shredder.htm but if I was looking for a shredder/chipper to handle odd branches and lots of hawthorn clippings, which would be a good model? The purpose is to have less bulk and more ready to compost material. Electric is OK. Bosch have a few that will do (claimed) up to 4cm or so thick branches. I will have a few of those, but mostly I'm looking to deal with a wheelie bin packed solid with finer clippings from mainly a hawthorn hedge. Will any of the consumer ones be useful rather than a PITA? Last time I used a chipper it was a full sized hire one - as in "stuff in an entire 3" hawthorn trunk with branches and watch as the hydraulic power feed sucked it to its doom". Cheers! Tim For info only, without comment: http://www.which.co.uk/news/2013/09/deal-of-the-week-save-165-on-this-bosch-garden-shredder--333735/ When did Which? start advertising products? Strictly speaking, never. But nowadays the word "strictly" has to be included To all intents and purposes deal of the week is an advert, I don't regret canceling my Which? subscription ten years ago,. I have considered that, but don't think it is justified. They are still the best source of general information. Their "local traders" section has the distinct advantage that (compared to say TripAdvisor) people have to pay before they can express an opinion, which keeps the riff-raff out My Dutch CA subscription is about to be cancelled too. More ethically tricky, IMHO, is that they allow products to advertise they are "which? best buy", e.g. https://www.aldi.co.uk/en/information/awards-endorsements/which-best-buy-awards-2013/ In the early days they used take legal action against those who did. They did indeed. I rather like that. Nowadays one has to take their lack-of-bias much more on trust. If I ever saw something that made me doubt it, I'd re-evaluate my position. They are very weak on testing things like cameras. I bought a camera Which? recommended only to find that other more professional testers had found an obvious weakness. Of course. Anybody that relies on one source of information is not a wise person, particularly for something that is deeply technical. However, they do allow me to narrow down my search by - ignoring most of the second and third rate products - giving me info that can't easily be obtained from reviews, e.g. long-term reliability, customer support etc And that's worth having since it saves me time. |
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Chipper/shredders?
On Friday 13 September 2013 15:43 Martin wrote in uk.rec.gardening:
They did indeed. I rather like that. Nowadays one has to take their lack-of-bias much more on trust. If I ever saw something that made me doubt it, I'd re-evaluate my position. They are very weak on testing things like cameras. I bought a camera Which? recommended only to find that other more professional testers had found an obvious weakness. I tried Which a few years ago (having read my parents' copies in the 70's). Having spent the later intervening years reading online (free) camera, computer component and audio/visual kit reviews, I found Which's reviews so laughably poor and without depth, method or in fact any tangible content, I wrote them off. -- Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://squiddy.blog.dionic.net/ http://www.sensorly.com/ Crowd mapping of 2G/3G/4G mobile signal coverage |
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Chipper/shredders?
On 13/09/13 16:01, Tim Watts wrote:
On Friday 13 September 2013 15:43 Martin wrote in uk.rec.gardening: They did indeed. I rather like that. Nowadays one has to take their lack-of-bias much more on trust. If I ever saw something that made me doubt it, I'd re-evaluate my position. They are very weak on testing things like cameras. I bought a camera Which? recommended only to find that other more professional testers had found an obvious weakness. I tried Which a few years ago (having read my parents' copies in the 70's). Having spent the later intervening years reading online (free) camera, computer component and audio/visual kit reviews, I found Which's reviews so laughably poor and without depth, method or in fact any tangible content, I wrote them off. This is a problem that they are facing, IMHO. There are many disparate sources of info out there, many in more depth that Which? There is a significant danger that they spread themselves too thin. But Which still has advantages: - breadth of coverage of topics you really don't want to know too much about (e.g. washing machines) but really do need to know about once a decade. And also rapidly changing items that you need more frequently, e.g. CFL lightbulbs - general consumer info, e.g. useful "tricks" if you ever go to the small claims court, plus how to be wise enough that you don't need to - long-term reliability and customer service info that simply cannot be in reviews My father once said that Which? prevented him from buying expensive soaps (Imperial Leather, IIRC), and the saving on that alone was sufficient to pay for a subscription. Probably a bit of exaggeration, but nonetheless a useful insight. |
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Chipper/shredders?
On 13/09/13 16:21, Martin wrote:
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 16:14:05 +0100, Tom Gardner wrote: But Which still has advantages: - breadth of coverage of topics you really don't want to know too much about (e.g. washing machines) but really do need to know about once a decade. Every two decades, if you buy Miele. And also rapidly changing items that you need more frequently, e.g. CFL lightbulbs - general consumer info, e.g. useful "tricks" if you ever go to the small claims court, plus how to be wise enough that you don't need to - long-term reliability and customer service info that simply cannot be in reviews because? Why are Which? any better at providing this? Do they do long term testing? Yes, they are *much* better. They get their subscribers to do it - which is, of course, the best possible way since it tests real-world conditions. About once a week they send me an email asking for my experiences with different equipment (e.g. breadmakers, cars, TVs etc) and services (e.g. banks, price comparison websites etc). Where appropriate they do long-term tests themselves, e.g. for exterior paints. They also test brands, which is particularly relevant where products have a short lifetime. |
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