"Fuschia" wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 14:10:26 -0000, "Ophelia"
wrote:

Apologies if you have already seen this.

This was posted in a political group. I hope it can be of use to some.
Best
O
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If this was as serious as the quoted opinion makes out, where are the
strident complaints from the seed merchants - the Thompson & Morgans
of the UK and across Europe?
It would cost them a fortune to register every one of their varieties.
If they are not worried, should we be?

Good point. You would expect to hear something from them if it were the
case. Have they not been heard to make any comment at all?

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 21:39:54 -0000, "Ophelia"
wrote:



"Fuschia" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 14:10:26 -0000, "Ophelia"
wrote:

Apologies if you have already seen this.

This was posted in a political group. I hope it can be of use to some.
Best
O
------------------------------------------------------------

If this was as serious as the quoted opinion makes out, where are the
strident complaints from the seed merchants - the Thompson & Morgans
of the UK and across Europe?
It would cost them a fortune to register every one of their varieties.
If they are not worried, should we be?

Good point. You would expect to hear something from them if it were the
case. Have they not been heard to make any comment at all?

I've heard nothing at all and that makes me suspicious.

I wonder if this is just another of those imaginary EU 'straight
banana' stories?

"Fuschia" wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 21:39:54 -0000, "Ophelia"
wrote:



"Fuschia" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 14:10:26 -0000, "Ophelia"
wrote:

Apologies if you have already seen this.

This was posted in a political group. I hope it can be of use to some.
Best
O
------------------------------------------------------------

If this was as serious as the quoted opinion makes out, where are the
strident complaints from the seed merchants - the Thompson & Morgans
of the UK and across Europe?
It would cost them a fortune to register every one of their varieties.
If they are not worried, should we be?

Good point. You would expect to hear something from them if it were the
case. Have they not been heard to make any comment at all?

I've heard nothing at all and that makes me suspicious.

I wonder if this is just another of those imaginary EU 'straight
banana' stories?

Who knows I certainly don't)

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

In article ,
Martin wrote:

Read the draft regulation and one can recognise it as another straight banana
myth.
It's not obvious to me why the UK press specialises in creating EU myths. It
doesn't happen elsewhere in the EU AFAIK

It is to me :-(

Yes, Minister etc. was the acceptable face of the mandarins. As a
group, their primary skill is ensuring that some innocent party gets
the blame for their malice, negligence, incompetence and even what
is arguably treason. Their SOP is to take a reasonable directive,
'gold plate' it for their own reasons and ensure that the EU gets
the blame for its extremism.

But what REALLY ****es off the Eurocrats is when the British
representatives demand that something is included or omitted,
despite the fact that everyone else disagrees, threatening a veto
if they don't get their way - and THEN say that they tried their
best to avoid that but the evil Eurocrats insisted.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 17/11/13 13:27, Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article ,
Martin wrote:

Read the draft regulation and one can recognise it as another straight banana
myth.
It's not obvious to me why the UK press specialises in creating EU myths. It
doesn't happen elsewhere in the EU AFAIK

It is to me :-(

Yes, Minister etc. was the acceptable face of the mandarins. As a
group, their primary skill is ensuring that some innocent party gets
the blame for their malice, negligence, incompetence and even what
is arguably treason.

Government by civil servants has been replaced by government by
SpAds (special advisors). If you believe the rhetoric about
the efficiency of the free market etc, then the corollary is
that SpAds are very good at pushing their (financial)
backers' interests.

I find it difficult to distinguish SpAds from the
Tolkien character Wormtongue.

Choose your poison

Their SOP is to take a reasonable directive,
'gold plate' it for their own reasons and ensure that the EU gets
the blame for its extremism.

There's some truth in that, but it isn't universal. In
particular the CAA has been pleasantly effective at pushing back
against the new EASA regulations.

But what REALLY ****es off the Eurocrats is when the British
representatives demand that something is included or omitted,
despite the fact that everyone else disagrees, threatening a veto
if they don't get their way - and THEN say that they tried their
best to avoid that but the evil Eurocrats insisted.

Martin wrote:

It's not obvious to me why the UK press specialises in creating EU myths.
It doesn't happen elsewhere in the EU AFAIK

Unfortunately - since I am a firm, even fanatical, believer in the EU -
anti-EU feeling is at least as strong in France (le Pen),
Italy (Beppe Grillo and now Berlusconi), Spain and many other EU members.
The EU has lost the trust of its citizens,
and a political organisation cannot continue in that state for long.

In my view radical reform is essential if the EU is to survive,
starting with election of the EU Commission,
and in particular its president.
The US would not have survived if its president had been chosen
in the way the EU president is.

The majority of senior bureaucrats in Brussels have lost faith
in the project, and are simply pushing paper until they retire.

Simply supporting the EU, without demanding its reform,
is in my view counter-productive.

--
Timothy Murphy
e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net
School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland

"Timothy Murphy" wrote in message
...

Unfortunately - since I am a firm, even fanatical, believer in the EU -
anti-EU feeling is at least as strong in France (le Pen),
Italy (Beppe Grillo and now Berlusconi), Spain and many other EU members.
The EU has lost the trust of its citizens,
and a political organisation cannot continue in that state for long.

In my view radical reform is essential if the EU is to survive,
starting with election of the EU Commission,
and in particular its president.
The US would not have survived if its president had been chosen
in the way the EU president is.

The majority of senior bureaucrats in Brussels have lost faith
in the project, and are simply pushing paper until they retire.

Simply supporting the EU, without demanding its reform,
is in my view counter-productive.

May I copy this to another place please? Of course I would remove your name
and any identity.

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 17/11/2013 20:49, Ophelia wrote:


"Timothy Murphy" wrote in message
...

Unfortunately - since I am a firm, even fanatical, believer in the EU -
anti-EU feeling is at least as strong in France (le Pen),
Italy (Beppe Grillo and now Berlusconi), Spain and many other EU members.
The EU has lost the trust of its citizens,
and a political organisation cannot continue in that state for long.

In my view radical reform is essential if the EU is to survive,
starting with election of the EU Commission,
and in particular its president.
The US would not have survived if its president had been chosen
in the way the EU president is.

The majority of senior bureaucrats in Brussels have lost faith
in the project, and are simply pushing paper until they retire.

Simply supporting the EU, without demanding its reform,
is in my view counter-productive.

May I copy this to another place please? Of course I would remove your
name and any identity.

If you mean the whole piece about the proposals
then it can be found in full at
http://www.realseeds.co.uk/seedlaw.html
Which looks as if it's where it started
David

In article ,
Timothy Murphy wrote:
Martin wrote:

It's not obvious to me why the UK press specialises in creating EU myths.
It doesn't happen elsewhere in the EU AFAIK

Unfortunately - since I am a firm, even fanatical, believer in the EU -
anti-EU feeling is at least as strong in France (le Pen),
Italy (Beppe Grillo and now Berlusconi), Spain and many other EU members.
The EU has lost the trust of its citizens,
and a political organisation cannot continue in that state for long.

In my view radical reform is essential if the EU is to survive,
starting with election of the EU Commission,
and in particular its president.
The US would not have survived if its president had been chosen
in the way the EU president is.

The majority of senior bureaucrats in Brussels have lost faith
in the project, and are simply pushing paper until they retire.

Simply supporting the EU, without demanding its reform,
is in my view counter-productive.

Unfortunately, the same is true (only more strongly) about our
so-called democratic institutions.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 2013-11-16 21:39:54 +0000, Ophelia said:

"Fuschia" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 14:10:26 -0000, "Ophelia"
wrote:

Apologies if you have already seen this.

This was posted in a political group. I hope it can be of use to some.
Best
O
------------------------------------------------------------

If this was as serious as the quoted opinion makes out, where are the
strident complaints from the seed merchants - the Thompson & Morgans
of the UK and across Europe?
It would cost them a fortune to register every one of their varieties.
If they are not worried, should we be?

Good point. You would expect to hear something from them if it were the
case. Have they not been heard to make any comment at all?

We get our seeds from Jelitto, which is a German company. I'll ask Ray
if he knows of any particular worries that they have. And email to
will either come to me or get forwarded
to me by someone.
--

Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
www.helpforheroes.org.uk

"Sacha" wrote in message
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On 2013-11-16 21:39:54 +0000, Ophelia said:

"Fuschia" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 14:10:26 -0000, "Ophelia"
wrote:

Apologies if you have already seen this.

This was posted in a political group. I hope it can be of use to some.
Best
O
------------------------------------------------------------

If this was as serious as the quoted opinion makes out, where are the
strident complaints from the seed merchants - the Thompson & Morgans
of the UK and across Europe?
It would cost them a fortune to register every one of their varieties.
If they are not worried, should we be?

Good point. You would expect to hear something from them if it were the
case. Have they not been heard to make any comment at all?

We get our seeds from Jelitto, which is a German company. I'll ask Ray if
he knows of any particular worries that they have. And email to
will either come to me or get forwarded to
me by someone.

Oh it's ok. I just wanted you to look over this stuff to see if it was
suitable for posting here All done now


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 17/11/2013 15:54, Sacha wrote:
On 2013-11-16 21:39:54 +0000, Ophelia said:

"Fuschia" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 14:10:26 -0000, "Ophelia"
wrote:

Apologies if you have already seen this.

This was posted in a political group. I hope it can be of use to some.
Best
O
------------------------------------------------------------

If this was as serious as the quoted opinion makes out, where are the
strident complaints from the seed merchants - the Thompson & Morgans
of the UK and across Europe?
It would cost them a fortune to register every one of their varieties.
If they are not worried, should we be?

Good point. You would expect to hear something from them if it were
the case. Have they not been heard to make any comment at all?

We get our seeds from Jelitto, which is a German company. I'll ask Ray
if he knows of any particular worries that they have. And email to
will either come to me or get forwarded to
me by someone.


I'd have thought that the RHS would have had something to say about it.

On 17/11/2013 16:04, David Hill wrote:
On 17/11/2013 15:54, Sacha wrote:
On 2013-11-16 21:39:54 +0000, Ophelia said:

"Fuschia" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 14:10:26 -0000, "Ophelia"
wrote:

Apologies if you have already seen this.

This was posted in a political group. I hope it can be of use to
some.
Best
O
------------------------------------------------------------

If this was as serious as the quoted opinion makes out, where are the
strident complaints from the seed merchants - the Thompson & Morgans
of the UK and across Europe?
It would cost them a fortune to register every one of their varieties.
If they are not worried, should we be?

Good point. You would expect to hear something from them if it were
the case. Have they not been heard to make any comment at all?

We get our seeds from Jelitto, which is a German company. I'll ask Ray
if he knows of any particular worries that they have. And email to
will either come to me or get forwarded to
me by someone.


I'd have thought that the RHS would have had something to say about it.

It was mentioned in the last issue of The Garden. Unfortunately it
didn't look like informed commentary.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

On 2013-11-17 16:37:48 +0000, Stewart Robert Hinsley said:

On 17/11/2013 16:04, David Hill wrote:
On 17/11/2013 15:54, Sacha wrote:
On 2013-11-16 21:39:54 +0000, Ophelia said:

"Fuschia" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 14:10:26 -0000, "Ophelia"
wrote:

Apologies if you have already seen this.

This was posted in a political group. I hope it can be of use to
some.
Best
O
------------------------------------------------------------

If this was as serious as the quoted opinion makes out, where are the
strident complaints from the seed merchants - the Thompson & Morgans
of the UK and across Europe?
It would cost them a fortune to register every one of their varieties.
If they are not worried, should we be?

Good point. You would expect to hear something from them if it were
the case. Have they not been heard to make any comment at all?

We get our seeds from Jelitto, which is a German company. I'll ask Ray
if he knows of any particular worries that they have. And email to
will either come to me or get forwarded to
me by someone.


I'd have thought that the RHS would have had something to say about it.

It was mentioned in the last issue of The Garden. Unfortunately it
didn't look like informed commentary.

Do you mean the piece by Lia Leendertz? Not sure if that was the last
issue. But I did think that it gave a good perspective from the
amateur gardener's pov. No? There was an editorial on it too.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon

I'd have thought that the RHS would have had something to say about it.

It was mentioned in the last issue of The Garden. Unfortunately it
didn't look like informed commentary.

Do you mean the piece by Lia Leendertz? Not sure if that was the last
issue. But I did think that it gave a good perspective from the amateur
gardener's pov. No? There was an editorial on it too.


This item is a good overview of the thing
http://www.hortweek.com/news/1211444...ding-industry/