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Time to spot weed my lawn to get rid a few big ugly weeds.

I have an industrial quantity of concentrated (not farmers superconc,
the next one down) generic glyphosate.

Any suggestions what would be a good admix to make it more like a gel to
paint on the leaves?

Washing up liquid/bubble bath comes to mind - but I just wondered if
anyone else has tried this...

Cheers

Tim

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Time to spot weed my lawn to get rid a few big ugly weeds.

I have an industrial quantity of concentrated (not farmers superconc, the
next one down) generic glyphosate.

Any suggestions what would be a good admix to make it more like a gel to
paint on the leaves?

Washing up liquid/bubble bath comes to mind - but I just wondered if
anyone else has tried this...

Cheers

Tim

I would have thought wall paper paste a better bet but I have never done it!

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On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 10:55:27 +0100, Tim Watts
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Time to spot weed my lawn to get rid a few big ugly weeds.

I have an industrial quantity of concentrated (not farmers superconc,
the next one down) generic glyphosate.

Any suggestions what would be a good admix to make it more like a gel to
paint on the leaves?

Washing up liquid/bubble bath comes to mind - but I just wondered if
anyone else has tried this...

Cheers

Tim


Add gelatin powder to warm water until it's just too runny to stick.
It will get thicker when it cools down.

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On 17/06/2014 10:55, Tim Watts wrote:

Time to spot weed my lawn to get rid a few big ugly weeds.


12" screwdriver down the side of the tap root is very satisfying for a
samll number of them. Not worth buying a special tool for it...

I have an industrial quantity of concentrated (not farmers superconc,
the next one down) generic glyphosate.

Any suggestions what would be a good admix to make it more like a gel to
paint on the leaves?


Don't do it. Grass is exquisitely sensitive to glyphosate and you will
end up with big ugly dead brown patches. I knew someone who tried to do
the DIY spot weeder trick with "Pathclear" and it was the devils own job
to repopulate the damaged areas with grass again.

If you must do this then old wallpaper paste leftovers is OK.

Washing up liquid/bubble bath comes to mind - but I just wondered if
anyone else has tried this...


Use a broadleaf specific 2,4-D formulation in a wax crayon or Verdone.

It will kill broadleafs only in a lawn without any collateral damage -
at least if you follow the instructions.

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On 17/06/14 11:51, Martin Brown wrote:
On 17/06/2014 10:55, Tim Watts wrote:

Time to spot weed my lawn to get rid a few big ugly weeds.


12" screwdriver down the side of the tap root is very satisfying for a
samll number of them. Not worth buying a special tool for it...

I have an industrial quantity of concentrated (not farmers superconc,
the next one down) generic glyphosate.

Any suggestions what would be a good admix to make it more like a gel to
paint on the leaves?


Don't do it. Grass is exquisitely sensitive to glyphosate and you will
end up with big ugly dead brown patches. I knew someone who tried to do
the DIY spot weeder trick with "Pathclear" and it was the devils own job
to repopulate the damaged areas with grass again.

If you must do this then old wallpaper paste leftovers is OK.

Washing up liquid/bubble bath comes to mind - but I just wondered if
anyone else has tried this...


Use a broadleaf specific 2,4-D formulation in a wax crayon or Verdone.

It will kill broadleafs only in a lawn without any collateral damage -
at least if you follow the instructions.


Thank you Martin (and Charlie, Stephen).

Wise words. I'll nip down the farmers centre and see what's on the shelves.


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On 17/06/2014 11:51, Martin Brown wrote:
On 17/06/2014 10:55, Tim Watts wrote:

Time to spot weed my lawn to get rid a few big ugly weeds.


12" screwdriver down the side of the tap root is very satisfying for a
samll number of them. Not worth buying a special tool for it...

I have an industrial quantity of concentrated (not farmers superconc,
the next one down) generic glyphosate.

Any suggestions what would be a good admix to make it more like a gel to
paint on the leaves?


Don't do it. Grass is exquisitely sensitive to glyphosate and you will
end up with big ugly dead brown patches. I knew someone who tried to do
the DIY spot weeder trick with "Pathclear" and it was the devils own job
to repopulate the damaged areas with grass again.


It wasn't the glyphosate - it was the diflufenican (or whatever emergent
herbicide was in an older formulation). That, by design, hangs around
for months to kill anything emerging through the soil.

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On 17/06/14 11:51, Martin Brown wrote:

Use a broadleaf specific 2,4-D formulation in a wax crayon or Verdone.

It will kill broadleafs only in a lawn without any collateral damage -
at least if you follow the instructions.


And in the end....

I did not bother with the DIY mix.

I tried Roundup Gel and Verdone Extra spot spray.

Although the Verdone is expensive (used a bottle in short order) it
nukes the weed in about a week visibly and does not seem to burn the grass.

It's easy and low fuss to go around hitting individual weeds while
avoiding the wild flowers and clover I'm encouraging.


The Roundup is tedious to apply and so slow acting (more like 1-1.5
months) that I have no idea if I've killed a weed or not.

Looks like a bulk order of Verdone is in order. I'm not normally a fan
of chemicals but as it's spot applied I can live with that.
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On 06/07/2014 12:44, Tim Watts wrote:
On 17/06/14 11:51, Martin Brown wrote:

Use a broadleaf specific 2,4-D formulation in a wax crayon or Verdone.

It will kill broadleafs only in a lawn without any collateral damage -
at least if you follow the instructions.


And in the end....

I did not bother with the DIY mix.

I tried Roundup Gel and Verdone Extra spot spray.

Although the Verdone is expensive (used a bottle in short order) it
nukes the weed in about a week visibly and does not seem to burn the grass.


Buying it prediluted is expensive!

You want a bottle of the concentrate. That lasts me a couple of years or
more - though I really only persecute serious weeds like buttercup.
Clover and any low growing wildflowers are welcome.


It's easy and low fuss to go around hitting individual weeds while
avoiding the wild flowers and clover I'm encouraging.


The Roundup is tedious to apply and so slow acting (more like 1-1.5
months) that I have no idea if I've killed a weed or not.


Should be visible yellowing of new growth in about 2 weeks and dead in 3
with a characteristic glyphosate light orange-brown colour.

Paradoxically slightly overdiluting by 20-30% gets a better but slower
kill on pernicious weeds like groundelder and bindweed.

Looks like a bulk order of Verdone is in order. I'm not normally a fan
of chemicals but as it's spot applied I can live with that.



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On 09/07/14 09:41, Martin Brown wrote:
On 06/07/2014 12:44, Tim Watts wrote:

Buying it prediluted is expensive!

You want a bottle of the concentrate. That lasts me a couple of years or
more - though I really only persecute serious weeds like buttercup.
Clover and any low growing wildflowers are welcome.


That sounds great - but what is the concentrate for Verdone Extra
called? It's not glyphosate.

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On 09/07/2014 10:34, Tim Watts wrote:
On 09/07/14 09:41, Martin Brown wrote:
On 06/07/2014 12:44, Tim Watts wrote:

Buying it prediluted is expensive!

You want a bottle of the concentrate. That lasts me a couple of years or
more - though I really only persecute serious weeds like buttercup.
Clover and any low growing wildflowers are welcome.


That sounds great - but what is the concentrate for Verdone Extra
called? It's not glyphosate.

Verdone Extra size concentrate eg

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Verdone-Extr...=verdone+extra

Any decent garden centre or agricultural supplier should have it.

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On 17/06/2014 10:55, Tim Watts wrote:
Time to spot weed my lawn to get rid a few big ugly weeds.

I have an industrial quantity of concentrated (not farmers superconc,
the next one down) generic glyphosate.

Any suggestions what would be a good admix to make it more like a gel to
paint on the leaves?

Washing up liquid/bubble bath comes to mind - but I just wondered if
anyone else has tried this...

Cheers

Tim


Gey some cheap, extra gungy hair gel from Wilkinsons or a pound shop and
mix that with your glyphosate.

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On 17/06/14 15:31, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 17/06/2014 10:55, Tim Watts wrote:
Time to spot weed my lawn to get rid a few big ugly weeds.

I have an industrial quantity of concentrated (not farmers superconc,
the next one down) generic glyphosate.

Any suggestions what would be a good admix to make it more like a gel to
paint on the leaves?

Washing up liquid/bubble bath comes to mind - but I just wondered if
anyone else has tried this...

Cheers

Tim


Gey some cheap, extra gungy hair gel from Wilkinsons or a pound shop and
mix that with your glyphosate.


Hey - not a bad idea!

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On 17/06/2014 10:55, Tim Watts wrote:
Time to spot weed my lawn to get rid a few big ugly weeds.

I have an industrial quantity of concentrated (not farmers superconc,
the next one down) generic glyphosate.

Any suggestions what would be a good admix to make it more like a gel to
paint on the leaves?

Washing up liquid/bubble bath comes to mind - but I just wondered if
anyone else has tried this...

Cheers

Tim

I make a very weak solution of wallpaper past into which I mid
Laboratory grave methaldahyde powder as a slug killer, this I squirt out
from a washing up liquid bottle to give me lines of methaldehyde which
isn't removed by rain.
I would think the same weak solution with glyphosate would work as a
spot weed killer, it has to be thin enough to run down the foliage you
spot treat.
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I make a very weak solution of wallpaper past into which I mid Laboratory
grave methaldahyde powder as a slug killer, this I squirt out from a
washing up liquid bottle to give me lines of methaldehyde which isn't
removed by rain.
I would think the same weak solution with glyphosate would work as a spot
weed killer, it has to be thin enough to run down the foliage you spot
treat.


I use strongish glyc - just carefully applied with an artists soft brush.
Trouble with the gel method - it hangs around
getting to places where it is not wanted and the penetration is not very
good either.The paint brush technique also good on freshly reduced stems of
remaining stuff to be killed.

Pete

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"David Hill" wrote in message ...


I make a very weak solution of wallpaper past into which I mid
Laboratory grave methaldahyde powder as a slug killer, this I squirt
out from a washing up liquid bottle to give me lines of methaldehyde
which isn't removed by rain.
I would think the same weak solution with glyphosate would work as a
spot weed killer, it has to be thin enough to run down the foliage you
spot treat.


I use strongish glyc - just carefully applied with an artists soft
brush. Trouble with the gel method - it hangs around
getting to places where it is not wanted and the penetration is not very
good either.The paint brush technique also good on freshly reduced stems of
remaining stuff to be killed.

Pete


Ah. Interesting. How strong would you say you mixed it relative to a
standard spray-on mix? My bottle is probably several times more
concentrated than the average garden centre stuff and I'm sure if I used
it neat it would burn the leaf off before getting all systemic on the
weed's ass


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