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Bob Hobden 27-10-2014 05:39 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 
Just had a mail to tell me BT are no longer providing Usenet access, turns
out they had a tie up with Giganews which is finishing, and suggesting we
all migrate to Giganews directly (from US$4.99 to US$29.99 per month!).
Makes News.individual.net look cheap.

-- Regards
Bob Hobden
Posting to this Newsgroup
from the W.of London. UK


Chris J Dixon 27-10-2014 07:47 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 
Bob Hobden wrote:

Just had a mail to tell me BT are no longer providing Usenet access, turns
out they had a tie up with Giganews which is finishing, and suggesting we
all migrate to Giganews directly (from US$4.99 to US$29.99 per month!).
Makes News.individual.net look cheap.


But still more expensive than Eternal September
news.eternal-september.org

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Plant amazing Acers.

bert 27-10-2014 08:38 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 
In message , Chris J Dixon
writes
Bob Hobden wrote:

Just had a mail to tell me BT are no longer providing Usenet access, turns
out they had a tie up with Giganews which is finishing, and suggesting we
all migrate to Giganews directly (from US$4.99 to US$29.99 per month!).
Makes News.individual.net look cheap.


But still more expensive than Eternal September
news.eternal-september.org

Chris

Well you can't get much cheaper than free.
--
bert

Grenou[_2_] 27-10-2014 09:43 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 


"Bob Hobden" wrote in message ...

Just had a mail to tell me BT are no longer providing Usenet access, turns
out they had a tie up with Giganews which is finishing, and suggesting we
all migrate to Giganews directly (from US$4.99 to US$29.99 per month!).
Makes News.individual.net look cheap.

-- Regards
Bob Hobden
Posting to this Newsgroup
from the W.of London. UK


--------

I have not received such a notification (been a BT customer for 14 years).
Can't find anything on MyBT or with a Google search.
Maybe yours was a spoof/scam perhaps, have you looked at (right-click)
PropertiesDetailsMessage Source?

I did receive email from BT today about paying the bill. so they know where
to find me :-)

Grenou


Peter & Jeanne 27-10-2014 09:55 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 


Well - this is the message URL --

http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d..._FURL_giganews


Seems genuine to me.


Grenou[_2_] 27-10-2014 10:01 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 


"Peter & Jeanne" wrote in message
...



Well - this is the message URL --

http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d..._FURL_giganews


Seems genuine to me.

------

You're right, that has to be genuine.
Oh dear, what a pain.
I wonder why we haven't been notified, hmm.

Thanks for the link, I will now have to make new plans for newsgroup access.

Grenou


Bob Hobden 27-10-2014 11:11 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 
"Chris J Dixon" wrote

Bob Hobden wrote:

Just had a mail to tell me BT are no longer providing Usenet access, turns
out they had a tie up with Giganews which is finishing, and suggesting we
all migrate to Giganews directly (from US$4.99 to US$29.99 per month!).
Makes News.individual.net look cheap.


But still more expensive than Eternal September
news.eternal-september.org


Yes but NIN is only Euro10 per year. My problem is I do look/post on a
binary Ng too and both NIN and ES don't do binaries.
--
Regards. Bob Hobden.
Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK


Christina Websell 28-10-2014 06:31 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...
Just had a mail to tell me BT are no longer providing Usenet access, turns
out they had a tie up with Giganews which is finishing, and suggesting we
all migrate to Giganews directly (from US$4.99 to US$29.99 per month!).
Makes News.individual.net look cheap.

My ISP dropped Usenet years ago so I went to News individual.net which would
be cheap at 5 times the price (10 euros/year) They provide a good service:
they filter out almost all spam and there is always a real person on the end
of the email if you need help.
However, I understand Plusnet still support Usenet, you might consider
swapping your ISP to them. I've considered it myself to get free Usenet
access, but tbh, it's too much trouble to save 10 euros.
I recommend NIN and it's not difficult to sign up with them.
https://news.individual.net/



Bob Hobden 28-10-2014 06:36 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 
"Christina Websell" wrote
"Bob Hobden" wrote
Just had a mail to tell me BT are no longer providing Usenet access,
turns out they had a tie up with Giganews which is finishing, and
suggesting we all migrate to Giganews directly (from US$4.99 to US$29.99
per month!). Makes News.individual.net look cheap.

My ISP dropped Usenet years ago so I went to News individual.net which
would be cheap at 5 times the price (10 euros/year) They provide a good
service: they filter out almost all spam and there is always a real person
on the end of the email if you need help.
However, I understand Plusnet still support Usenet, you might consider
swapping your ISP to them. I've considered it myself to get free Usenet
access, but tbh, it's too much trouble to save 10 euros.
I recommend NIN and it's not difficult to sign up with them.
https://news.individual.net/


I already use NIN for non-binary Ngs (as well as BT) as they cut out all the
rubbish but it's the binary one I'm interested in although it certainly
isn't worth paying extra for.
--
Regards. Bob Hobden.
Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK


Bob Hobden 28-10-2014 06:45 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 
"Bob Hobden" wrote

"Christina Websell" wrote
"Bob Hobden" wrote
Just had a mail to tell me BT are no longer providing Usenet access,
turns out they had a tie up with Giganews which is finishing, and
suggesting we all migrate to Giganews directly (from US$4.99 to US$29.99
per month!). Makes News.individual.net look cheap.

My ISP dropped Usenet years ago so I went to News individual.net which
would be cheap at 5 times the price (10 euros/year) They provide a good
service: they filter out almost all spam and there is always a real person
on the end of the email if you need help.
However, I understand Plusnet still support Usenet, you might consider
swapping your ISP to them. I've considered it myself to get free Usenet
access, but tbh, it's too much trouble to save 10 euros.
I recommend NIN and it's not difficult to sign up with them.
https://news.individual.net/


I already use NIN for non-binary Ngs (as well as BT) as they cut out all
the rubbish but it's the binary one I'm interested in although it certainly
isn't worth paying extra for.

Turns out, at least I'm told, Eternal-September carry the binary Ng I'm
interested in despite them saying they don't do binary Ngs.
--
Regards. Bob Hobden.
Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK


Christina Websell 28-10-2014 06:53 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...
"Chris J Dixon" wrote

Bob Hobden wrote:

Just had a mail to tell me BT are no longer providing Usenet access,
turns
out they had a tie up with Giganews which is finishing, and suggesting we
all migrate to Giganews directly (from US$4.99 to US$29.99 per month!).
Makes News.individual.net look cheap.


But still more expensive than Eternal September
news.eternal-september.org


Yes but NIN is only Euro10 per year. My problem is I do look/post on a
binary Ng too and both NIN and ES don't do binaries.
--
Regards. Bob Hobden.
Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK


The problem with Eternal September is that it is well known as the home of
trolls (presumably because it's free?) and some people killfile the whole
domain.

I used to look at a binary group too, but I gave it up to have NIN. Which
is worth every single euro, believe me.

I see no spam on newsgroups. No anti-Jew posts, no buy my xxx, nothing
because NIN filter it out before I see it and that's worth 10 euros a year
itself.
I leave it up to you.
It's a no-brainer.







Grenou[_2_] 28-10-2014 08:18 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 


"Christina Websell" wrote in message
...


"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...
Just had a mail to tell me BT are no longer providing Usenet access, turns
out they had a tie up with Giganews which is finishing, and suggesting we
all migrate to Giganews directly (from US$4.99 to US$29.99 per month!).
Makes News.individual.net look cheap.

My ISP dropped Usenet years ago so I went to News individual.net which would
be cheap at 5 times the price (10 euros/year) They provide a good service:
they filter out almost all spam and there is always a real person on the end
of the email if you need help.
However, I understand Plusnet still support Usenet, you might consider
swapping your ISP to them. I've considered it myself to get free Usenet
access, but tbh, it's too much trouble to save 10 euros.
I recommend NIN and it's not difficult to sign up with them.
https://news.individual.net/

---------

Isn't Plusnet also BT?

Thanks for the recommendation :-)

Grenou


Grenou[_2_] 28-10-2014 08:19 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 


"Martin" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 23:11:05 -0000, "Bob Hobden" wrote:

"Chris J Dixon" wrote

Bob Hobden wrote:

Just had a mail to tell me BT are no longer providing Usenet access,
turns
out they had a tie up with Giganews which is finishing, and suggesting we
all migrate to Giganews directly (from US$4.99 to US$29.99 per month!).
Makes News.individual.net look cheap.


But still more expensive than Eternal September
news.eternal-september.org


Yes but NIN is only Euro10 per year. My problem is I do look/post on a
binary Ng too and both NIN and ES don't do binaries.


I use Forte's Agent Usenet USD2.95/month for 20 gigabytes. Forte use
Easynews.
The retention is up to 10 years
https://www.forteinc.com/apn/subscri...%20Gigaby tes
--

Martin in Zuid Holland

----

Bedankt Martin ;-)

Grenou



Christina Websell 28-10-2014 08:24 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...
"Christina Websell" wrote
"Bob Hobden" wrote
Just had a mail to tell me BT are no longer providing Usenet access,
turns out they had a tie up with Giganews which is finishing, and
suggesting we all migrate to Giganews directly (from US$4.99 to US$29.99
per month!). Makes News.individual.net look cheap.

My ISP dropped Usenet years ago so I went to News individual.net which
would be cheap at 5 times the price (10 euros/year) They provide a good
service: they filter out almost all spam and there is always a real person
on the end of the email if you need help.
However, I understand Plusnet still support Usenet, you might consider
swapping your ISP to them. I've considered it myself to get free Usenet
access, but tbh, it's too much trouble to save 10 euros.
I recommend NIN and it's not difficult to sign up with them.
https://news.individual.net/


I already use NIN for non-binary Ngs (as well as BT) as they cut out all
the rubbish but it's the binary one I'm interested in although it
certainly isn't worth paying extra for.
--


Plusnet will probably do it all. I'm far too afraid to swap to them.




Andy Burns[_4_] 28-10-2014 08:31 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 
Christina Websell wrote:

Plusnet will probably do it all. I'm far too afraid to swap to them.


Plusnet use giganews (same as BT currently) but they don't provide
binary groups.



Christina Websell 28-10-2014 09:37 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
.. .
Christina Websell wrote:

Plusnet will probably do it all. I'm far too afraid to swap to them.


Plusnet use giganews (same as BT currently) but they don't provide binary
groups.


Does any UK ISP now? Most don't even provide access to Usenet any more




Christina Websell 28-10-2014 09:47 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 

"Grenou" iamhere@mostofthetime wrote in message
...


"Christina Websell" wrote in message
...


"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...
Just had a mail to tell me BT are no longer providing Usenet access,
turns out they had a tie up with Giganews which is finishing, and
suggesting we all migrate to Giganews directly (from US$4.99 to US$29.99
per month!). Makes News.individual.net look cheap.

My ISP dropped Usenet years ago so I went to News individual.net which
would
be cheap at 5 times the price (10 euros/year) They provide a good
service:
they filter out almost all spam and there is always a real person on the
end
of the email if you need help.
However, I understand Plusnet still support Usenet, you might consider
swapping your ISP to them. I've considered it myself to get free Usenet
access, but tbh, it's too much trouble to save 10 euros.
I recommend NIN and it's not difficult to sign up with them.
https://news.individual.net/

---------

Isn't Plusnet also BT?


Are they? I hope not

Thanks for the recommendation :-)

Grenou

you will never regret using NIN.



Andy Burns[_4_] 28-10-2014 09:50 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 
Christina Websell wrote:

"Grenou" iamhere@mostofthetime wrote:

Isn't Plusnet also BT?


Are they? I hope not


They have been for years, thankfully you'd never tell if you didn't know ...


Christina Websell 28-10-2014 10:11 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk...
Christina Websell wrote:

"Grenou" iamhere@mostofthetime wrote:

Isn't Plusnet also BT?


Are they? I hope not


They have been for years, thankfully you'd never tell if you didn't know
...

so it will be interesting if Plusnet now drop Usenet.

Not to worry, I have NIN!



Andy Burns[_4_] 28-10-2014 10:19 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 
Christina Websell wrote:

it will be interesting if Plusnet now drop Usenet.


Their friendly rep (Bob Pullen) on usenet says not ...



Christina Websell 28-10-2014 10:58 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk...
Christina Websell wrote:

it will be interesting if Plusnet now drop Usenet.


Their friendly rep (Bob Pullen) on usenet says not ...

I think they will.




Dave Liquorice[_2_] 29-10-2014 10:57 AM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 21:37:47 -0000, Christina Websell wrote:

Plusnet will probably do it all. I'm far too afraid to swap to

them.

Plusnet use giganews (same as BT currently) but they don't provide


binary groups.


Does any UK ISP now? Most don't even provide access to Usenet any more


Why do people think they have to use their ISP's provided service(s)
for mail, news, "home page", WHY? The ISP just provides a connection
into the Internet. Everyone can pick and choose the services they
require from other providers.

Getting a domain name and cheap/free/included mail service is
probably what everyone should do. You are then no longer tied (via an
ISP based email address) to your ISP.

--
Cheers
Dave.




Michael Uplawski 29-10-2014 11:05 AM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 
[Access to Usenet]

I am accessing usenet, posting on and reading newsgroups since around
1996. Which does not mean a lot, as you can do an arbitrary amount of
bungling during your “35 years” of experience in any job. But I have
made observations and even got to understanding “technology”.

The (declared) ability and (declared) determination of any service to
render your experience with their use of a *well-defined technology*
more comfortable should not influence your decision to pay them or not.
The technology in this case is usenet or the uses of the nntp-protocol,
more exactly (anyone still on uucp ? Thanks. Thought so.)

I am using several open and free news-services (branching to an
arbitrary number of news-servers) simultaneously:

open-news-network
netfront
aioe
solani
eternal-september

Anything which is not open-news-network just adds content in case that
the previous cannot. If they work and provide me with news-articles, any
one of these services does the *same job*.

The fact that some more or less eagerly respond to complaints about
their users “spamming” or “trolling” decides about their position in my
list but not more.

If there still are trollposts to handle, filtering is done by me alone
as I deem nobody else capable to decide in my place what I consider spam
or trolling. I won't explain all of this in detail, as, in addition, I
am not familiar with Windows, these days and wishing to control your own
machine appears to become unpopular with today's Internet-users.

I only say, that the simple use of free and open news-services creates
no problem, nor does it AFAIS and a priori impose constraints for my
access to nntp-newsgroups.

My former internet access-providers gave me Usenet-access and all have
stopped to do so. All of these services were flawed in one way or other.
I appreciate, that nowadays, the best Usenet-services are offered by
people who really *want* to do the job rather than add Usenet as a
gimmick to their produce.

I cannot say all that in fewer words. Sorry.

;-) Michael (Kraut-Frog)

--
Location: Lower Normandy (Orne), France
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Michael Uplawski 29-10-2014 11:09 AM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 10:49:39 +0100,
Martin wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 10:03:49 +0100, Martin wrote:


The current version of Agent and Forte's news server are the current
best and cheapest way of accessing binary newsgroups.


Maybe I should have said easiest way of downloading from binary groups
involving the least effort.


Thanks for clarifying. I was about to ask what you wanted to say with
that. ;-)

I only add to your last statement “, under Windows, and if you are
accustomed to such software.”

Michael
--
Location: Lower Normandy (Orne), France
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Michael Uplawski 29-10-2014 11:13 AM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 10:57:50 +0000 (GMT),
Dave Liquorice wrote:
Why do people think they have to use their ISP's provided service(s)
for mail, news, "home page", WHY? The ISP just provides a connection
into the Internet. Everyone can pick and choose the services they
require from other providers.


So far I am becking this.

Getting a domain name and cheap/free/included mail service is
probably what everyone should do. You are then no longer tied (via an
ISP based email address) to your ISP.


But now you do not talk about usenet and would anyway be in trouble
getting usenet-access into the context... ;-)
Try and prove me wrong... I would be pleased and follow any of your
advice on the spot.

Michael
--
Location: Lower Normandy (Orne), France
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Janet 29-10-2014 12:19 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 
In article o.uk,
says...

Why do people think they have to use their ISP's provided service(s)
for mail, news, "home page", WHY?



You made me think RIP zetnet and its excellent newsreader (iirc you
were one of the zetnuts)

Janet

Grenou[_2_] 29-10-2014 02:02 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 


"Michael Uplawski" wrote in message
ki.eu...

--I cannot say all that in fewer words. Sorry.

;-) Michael (Kraut-Frog)

--
Location: Lower Normandy (Orne), France

----

Heh heh, that's an excellent listing (saved for further consultation).
I am building up quite a dossier on this ☺

Grenou

Location: West Sussex (mother Frog-father Cheesehead) !

Normandy, Upper or Lower, is great ☺


Grenou[_2_] 29-10-2014 02:44 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 


"Christina Websell" wrote in message
...
--
you will never regret using NIN.


---

Thanks for the information Christina :-)

Grenou


Grenou[_2_] 29-10-2014 02:57 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 


"Martin" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:02:23 -0000, "Grenou" iamhere@mostofthetime wrote:

Heh heh, that's an excellent listing (saved for further consultation).
I am building up quite a dossier on this ?

Grenou

Location: West Sussex (mother Frog-father Cheesehead) !


Not the original GWB cheese eating surrender monkey? :-)


Normandy, Upper or Lower, is great ?

--

Martin in Zuid Holland


---

Goodness, did I add those question marks? Hmm..

Nope, not a monkey but a KaasKop, a 'pet' name for the Dutch, or it used to
be when I lived there (centuries ago) ;-)

Grenou


Michael Uplawski 29-10-2014 04:29 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:04:50 +0100,
Martin wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:09:51 +0100, Michael Uplawski
wrote:


The current version of Agent and Forte's news server are the current
best and cheapest way of accessing binary newsgroups.

(...)
People use Agent with Linux and Wine


But then, your statement have to be disjoint. ;-)

My grandma made the best potato-salad.
.... ever.

(Not on Youtube)

--
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Michael Uplawski 29-10-2014 04:36 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 
Attention. If you write your responses below the symbol
--[ ]
(dash dash space)

the next poster cannot respond directly to your posting, as it will get
cut right there. It is the purpose of these symbols to cut of the
signature in the responses.

On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:57:28 -0000, Grenou iamhere@mostofthetime wrote:

[KaasKop]
It is still used in Germany, although many pronounce the cheese in
German: „Käskopp” for the singular and in northern Germany, they even
alter the ”head” as in their local idiom, when referring to the Dutch in
plural: „Käsköpp”.


--
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Michael Uplawski 29-10-2014 04:39 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 
*Attention*. If you write your responses *below* the symbol
--[ ]
(dash dash space)

the next poster cannot respond directly to your posting, as it will get
cut right there. It is the purpose of these symbols to cut off the
signature in the responses.

On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:57:28 -0000, Grenou iamhere@mostofthetime wrote:

[KaasKop]
It is still used in Germany, although many pronounce the cheese in
German: „Käskopp” for the singular and in northern Germany, they even
alter the ”head” as in their local idiom, when referring to the Dutch in
plural: „Käsköpp”.


--
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Grenou[_2_] 29-10-2014 05:38 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 
I'll stay at the top this time..

Thanks for the explanation :-)
German was not my best subject at school, but even I can translate all that
;-)

Grenou
--

"Michael Uplawski" wrote in message
ki.eu...

Attention. If you write your responses below the symbol
--[ ]
(dash dash space)

the next poster cannot respond directly to your posting, as it will get
cut right there. It is the purpose of these symbols to cut of the
signature in the responses.

On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:57:28 -0000, Grenou iamhere@mostofthetime wrote:

[KaasKop]
It is still used in Germany, although many pronounce the cheese in
German: „Käskopp” for the singular and in northern Germany, they even
alter the ”head” as in their local idiom, when referring to the Dutch in
plural: „Käsköpp”.


--
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'Mike'[_4_] 29-10-2014 05:43 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 
It's best to stay on top here

Mike

..................................................
advert soon, watch this space.





"Grenou" wrote in message ...

I'll stay at the top this time..

Thanks for the explanation :-)
German was not my best subject at school, but even I can translate all that
;-)

Grenou
--

"Michael Uplawski" wrote in message
ki.eu...

Attention. If you write your responses below the symbol
--[ ]
(dash dash space)

the next poster cannot respond directly to your posting, as it will get
cut right there. It is the purpose of these symbols to cut of the
signature in the responses.

On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:57:28 -0000, Grenou iamhere@mostofthetime wrote:

[KaasKop]
It is still used in Germany, although many pronounce the cheese in
German: „Käskopp” for the singular and in northern Germany, they even
alter the ”head” as in their local idiom, when referring to the Dutch in
plural: „Käsköpp”.


--
Location: Lower Normandy (Orne), France
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Bob Hobden 29-10-2014 06:28 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 
"Michael Uplawski" wrote

[Access to Usenet]

I am accessing usenet, posting on and reading newsgroups since around
1996. Which does not mean a lot, as you can do an arbitrary amount of
bungling during your “35 years” of experience in any job. But I have
made observations and even got to understanding “technology”.

The (declared) ability and (declared) determination of any service to
render your experience with their use of a *well-defined technology*
more comfortable should not influence your decision to pay them or not.
The technology in this case is usenet or the uses of the nntp-protocol,
more exactly (anyone still on uucp ? Thanks. Thought so.)

I am using several open and free news-services (branching to an
arbitrary number of news-servers) simultaneously:

open-news-network
netfront
aioe
solani
eternal-september

Anything which is not open-news-network just adds content in case that
the previous cannot. If they work and provide me with news-articles, any
one of these services does the *same job*.

The fact that some more or less eagerly respond to complaints about
their users “spamming” or “trolling” decides about their position in my
list but not more.

If there still are trollposts to handle, filtering is done by me alone
as I deem nobody else capable to decide in my place what I consider spam
or trolling. I won't explain all of this in detail, as, in addition, I
am not familiar with Windows, these days and wishing to control your own
machine appears to become unpopular with today's Internet-users.

I only say, that the simple use of free and open news-services creates
no problem, nor does it AFAIS and a priori impose constraints for my
access to nntp-newsgroups.

My former internet access-providers gave me Usenet-access and all have
stopped to do so. All of these services were flawed in one way or other.
I appreciate, that nowadays, the best Usenet-services are offered by
people who really *want* to do the job rather than add Usenet as a
gimmick to their produce.

I cannot say all that in fewer words. Sorry.


Has anyone here tried these suggested on another Ng......
http://www.teranews.com/
It's a US$3.95 one off charge then free.

--
Regards. Bob Hobden.
Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK


Dave Liquorice[_2_] 29-10-2014 07:52 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:19:15 -0000, Janet wrote:

Why do people think they have to use their ISP's provided

service(s)
for mail, news, "home page", WHY?


You made me think RIP zetnet and its excellent newsreader (iirc you
were one of the zetnuts)


Naw, my internet claim to fame is being a Founder Member of Demon
Internet.

--
Cheers
Dave.




Dave Liquorice[_2_] 29-10-2014 07:56 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:13:58 +0100, Michael Uplawski wrote:

Getting a domain name and cheap/free/included mail service is
probably what everyone should do. You are then no longer tied (via

an
ISP based email address) to your ISP.


But now you do not talk about usenet and would anyway be in trouble
getting usenet-access into the context... ;-)


Access, probably but admin. ie when the usenet service provider needs
to contact you a couple of years after you have signed up and you
have switched ISP, having "fixed" email address is helpful.

--
Cheers
Dave.




Christina Websell 30-10-2014 08:08 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...
"Michael Uplawski" wrote

[Access to Usenet]

I am accessing usenet, posting on and reading newsgroups since around
1996. Which does not mean a lot, as you can do an arbitrary amount of
bungling during your "35 years" of experience in any job. But I have
made observations and even got to understanding "technology".

The (declared) ability and (declared) determination of any service to
render your experience with their use of a *well-defined technology*
more comfortable should not influence your decision to pay them or not.
The technology in this case is usenet or the uses of the nntp-protocol,
more exactly (anyone still on uucp ? Thanks. Thought so.)

I am using several open and free news-services (branching to an
arbitrary number of news-servers) simultaneously:

open-news-network
netfront
aioe
solani
eternal-september

Anything which is not open-news-network just adds content in case that
the previous cannot. If they work and provide me with news-articles, any
one of these services does the *same job*.

The fact that some more or less eagerly respond to complaints about
their users "spamming" or "trolling" decides about their position in my
list but not more.

If there still are trollposts to handle, filtering is done by me alone
as I deem nobody else capable to decide in my place what I consider spam
or trolling. I won't explain all of this in detail, as, in addition, I
am not familiar with Windows, these days and wishing to control your own
machine appears to become unpopular with today's Internet-users.

I only say, that the simple use of free and open news-services creates
no problem, nor does it AFAIS and a priori impose constraints for my
access to nntp-newsgroups.

My former internet access-providers gave me Usenet-access and all have
stopped to do so. All of these services were flawed in one way or other.
I appreciate, that nowadays, the best Usenet-services are offered by
people who really *want* to do the job rather than add Usenet as a
gimmick to their produce.

I cannot say all that in fewer words. Sorry.


Has anyone here tried these suggested on another Ng......
http://www.teranews.com/
It's a US$3.95 one off charge then free.


Stop trying to avoid that small amount of 10 euros a year.
And use News.individual.net. You'll be glad if you do. Trust me on this.

Just bite the bullet and use NIN for Usenet access.



Christina Websell 30-10-2014 08:42 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 

"Martin" wrote in message d Wine

But then, your statement have to be disjoint. ;-)


Blame the wine.


My grandma made the best potato-salad.
... ever.

(Not on Youtube)


At the tome mine made the best Yorkshire Pudding :-)
--

Martin in Zuid Holland


I make a very good Yorkshire pudding although I hesitate to say it's the
best in the world but it's close.
It rises through the next shelf of my oven.









Stewart Robert Hinsley[_3_] 30-10-2014 11:36 PM

Bt are dropping Usenet
 
On 27/10/2014 17:39, Bob Hobden wrote:
Just had a mail to tell me BT are no longer providing Usenet access,
turns out they had a tie up with Giganews which is finishing, and
suggesting we all migrate to Giganews directly (from US$4.99 to US$29.99
per month!). Makes News.individual.net look cheap.

-- Regards
Bob Hobden
Posting to this Newsgroup
from the W.of London. UK

So are Demon. (As of sometime tomorrow, following an announcement
yesterday.)

http://help.demon.net/announcements/...-news-service/


--
Stewart Robert Hinsley


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