Good evening, all

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 22:15:22 +0100,
alan_m wrote:

Google for
"chemicals hand pump uk"

For pumping chemicals the pump is likely to be a better construction.

Thank you all for the responses, so far.

From the beginnig, I should have mentioned that I want to install the
pump permanently on our well. A hand pump (or just any kid of pump)
means an improvement over the bucket and winch that I am using right
now, but having learned to reduce our energy consumption drastically, I
do not feel like sacrificing first a considerable sum of money for a
motor pump, secondly a lot of petrol each time that I need to water my
plants.

I just have to fill up a big barrel from time to time.

« Google » and « chemicals » fit well in one phrase, but mean too much
sympathizing with the dark side, for me. ;-)

I had a contact with Unimpump today. They have some rotary pumps on
stock and I consider acquiring one of those, preferably via a local
vendor who should be interested, too.

Good night for now,

Michael
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 23:53:36 +0200, Michael Uplawski wrote:
vendor who should be interested, too.

Good night for now,


Hi Michael,

A local guy who might have what you want is Didier Beaufils in Radon, his
web site is http://www.harmoniedulogis.fr, there's a telephone # there.
Didn't see an old pump specifically, but he's got a huge amount of
stuff. Prices vary, but negotiation is possible.





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Hello Emery,

great to read you again. I admit, that I have had other things in mind
recently and could not follow “the news� much.

On 30 Apr 2015 09:57:03 GMT,
Emery Davis wrote:

A local guy who might have what you want is Didier Beaufils in Radon, his
web site is http://www.harmoniedulogis.fr, there's a telephone # there.

Radon is interesting, as you might know, for the local alternative- and
eco-scene and to find an artisan there is probably good news.

Didn't see an old pump specifically, but he's got a huge amount of
stuff. Prices vary, but negotiation is possible.

Okay, on the site there is, in deed, little sign of pumps but I will
call him up. I need to do that with « Normandie Pompes », too (Lonlay
l'Abbey), and be it to have their opinion on the rotary pumps from
England.

We are not yet pressed to complete an installation for the greenhouse,
but having all the tubes ready, a well which never dries out and ...
rainwater (of all choices) in ample supply, I begin to feel a little
dumb with my watering-cans. ;-)

[The poplar is feeling great, and all but one maple developped nice buds
and leaves. I had moved them outside a month or two ago, already.
Thanks again.]

Michael

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On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 15:59:05 +0200, Michael Uplawski wrote:

Hello Emery,

[]
Radon is interesting, as you might know, for the local alternative- and
eco-scene and to find an artisan there is probably good news.


Yes indeed, eco-scene is a good word. I wonder in passing if you know
Olivier Dadure? He's very involved in the "alternative economy"
gardening scene, his association is "le petit jardin des écoliers", site
at http://lepetitjardin22.canalblog.com/. There's a "troc" this coming
Sunday at la Ferté-Frensnel, I see.

Olivier sent me a link to a recent article on him in Le Reveil (he's near
Courtomer): http://www.lereveilnormand.fr/2015/0...arer-recycler-
echanger-et-partager/ Might be of interest to you.

Didn't see an old pump specifically, but he's got a huge amount of
stuff. Prices vary, but negotiation is possible.

Okay, on the site there is, in deed, little sign of pumps but I will
call him up. I need to do that with « Normandie Pompes », too (Lonlay
l'Abbey), and be it to have their opinion on the rotary pumps from
England.

Remember this guy is an old-time brocanteur though, so hold on to your
wallet!

We are not yet pressed to complete an installation for the greenhouse,
but having all the tubes ready, a well which never dries out and ...
rainwater (of all choices) in ample supply, I begin to feel a little
dumb with my watering-cans. ;-)


Heh. I know what you mean!

[The poplar is feeling great, and all but one maple developped nice buds
and leaves. I had moved them outside a month or two ago, already. Thanks
again.]


Glad the plants are going. Did you get them in the ground? I planted
the remaining Purdom's poplars I had rooted, as well as the beginnings
for a Japanese maple hedge (10 upright with good fall colours to start),
all seem to be alive... If you want any replacement maples for what
died, just let me know.

cheers,

-E




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Good morning

On 1 May 2015 11:23:35 GMT,
Emery Davis wrote:
[]
Radon is interesting, as you might know, for the local alternative- and
eco-scene and to find an artisan there is probably good news.


Yes indeed, eco-scene is a good word. I wonder in passing if you know
Olivier Dadure? He's very involved in the "alternative economy"
gardening scene, his association is "le petit jardin des écoliers", site
at http://lepetitjardin22.canalblog.com/. There's a "troc" this coming
Sunday at la Ferté-Frensnel, I see.

Very nice. I need to collect all those references. Apart from the few
regulars that you meet on all the eco-festivals and bio-markets, most
people have the impression that our region is basically “empty� (bereft
of about “all�). And trying to arrange an identity for myself in two
parallel universes at the same time, I am one of them, half of the day.
Finding *new* stuff here and there, helps. ;-)

By the way, today, we are at Loré for the « appel du bois Normand ».

Okay, on the site there is, in deed, little sign of pumps but I will
call him up. I need to do that with « Normandie Pompes », too (Lonlay
l'Abbey), and be it to have their opinion on the rotary pumps from
England.

Remember this guy is an old-time brocanteur though, so hold on to your
wallet!

Okay, thanks.

Glad the plants are going. Did you get them in the ground? I planted
the remaining Purdom's poplars I had rooted, as well as the beginnings
for a Japanese maple hedge (10 upright with good fall colours to start),
all seem to be alive... If you want any replacement maples for what
died, just let me know.

I would rather wait for fall to finally plant the maples. We have lost
brushes in the inner hedge that we plant as a second rampart against
the chemicals from the fields, and the placement for the maples needs
some startegical planning. I will choose one of the new gaps when I am
sure that the other plants are well installed and protected
against the hare (jack rabbit) which has found our terrain. I had to add
fencing around the young fruit trees and treat some nibbled barks. Trees
of the current size of the maples have completely disappeared.
I haven't seen any deers, yet, nor « chevreuilles ».

Have a nice week-end,

MIchael


cheers,

-E






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"Michael Uplawski" wrote

alan_m wrote:

Google for
"chemicals hand pump uk"

For pumping chemicals the pump is likely to be a better construction.

Thank you all for the responses, so far.

From the beginnig, I should have mentioned that I want to install the
pump permanently on our well. A hand pump (or just any kid of pump)
means an improvement over the bucket and winch that I am using right
now, but having learned to reduce our energy consumption drastically, I
do not feel like sacrificing first a considerable sum of money for a
motor pump, secondly a lot of petrol each time that I need to water my
plants.

I just have to fill up a big barrel from time to time.

« Google » and « chemicals » fit well in one phrase, but mean too much
sympathizing with the dark side, for me. ;-)

I had a contact with Unimpump today. They have some rotary pumps on
stock and I consider acquiring one of those, preferably via a local
vendor who should be interested, too.


Have you thought of a Solar Powered Pump? Not sure what head they will draw
up but I know one gardener on our allotment site uses one to draw water from
the river that runs alongside which is at least 6ft down.
--
Regards. Bob Hobden.
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On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 21:21:04 +0100,
Bob Hobden wrote:

Have you thought of a Solar Powered Pump?

The answer is (surprisingly for myself) YES. The trouble is that I only
know what I could find on the Web, and on people with real knowledge.
For the time, I consider solar powered pumps too “exotic�. In our
sparsely populated area you will find about zero experience with this
technology.

Not sure what head they will draw
up but I know one gardener on our allotment site uses one to draw water from
the river that runs alongside which is at least 6ft down.

During the driest period that I have seen in Normandy (there weren't
many), the water level in our well was at about 4 meters (13.12ft)
below ground level. The total depth of the well is 7.40m (24.27ft). There
may be a lot of mud at the bottom which I should get out some day. Only
submersible pumps can lift water from a depth of more than about 7.40m.

The solar pumps that I can find information about, are meant to work on
shallow wells or, in deed, springs and rivers.

But there is another system which is a little more interesting: We often
pass pastures where water pumps are more or less continuously driven by
windmills and thus ensure that the kettle always has some water at its
disposal. But upon taking a closer look at the pump, it just looks like
any ol' hand pump and not even the rotary type. I will not go so far as
to install a windmill, though. We rather want a wind power-station some
day and be even more flexible that way.

A solar pump, however, could pump water from a voluminous rain-water
cistern. We won't do everything... ;-)

Michael

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On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 21:21:04 +0100,
Bob Hobden wrote:

Have you thought of a Solar Powered Pump?

The answer is (surprisingly for myself) YES. The trouble is that I only
know what I could find on the Web, and depend on people with real
knowledge. For the time, I consider solar powered pumps too “exotic�.
In our sparsely populated area you will find about zero experience with
this technology.

Not sure what head they will draw
up but I know one gardener on our allotment site uses one to draw water from
the river that runs alongside which is at least 6ft down.

During the driest period that I have seen in Normandy (there weren't
many), the water level in our well was at about 4 meters (13.12ft)
below ground level. The total depth of the well is 7.40m (24.27ft). There
may be a lot of mud at the bottom which I should get out some day. Only
submersible pumps can lift water from a depth of more than about 7.40m.

The solar pumps that I can find information about, are meant to work on
shallow wells or, in deed, springs and rivers.

But there is another system which is a little more interesting: We often
pass pastures where water pumps are more or less continuously driven by
windmills and thus ensure that the kettle always has some water at its
disposal. But upon taking a closer look at the pump, it just looks like
any ol' hand pump and not even the rotary type. I will not go so far as
to install a windmill, though. We rather want a wind power-station some
day and be even more flexible that way.

A solar pump, however, could pump water from a voluminous rain-water
cistern. We won't do everything... ;-)

Michael

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On 29/04/2015 22:53, Michael Uplawski wrote:
From the beginnig, I should have mentioned that I want to install the
pump permanently on our well. A hand pump (or just any kid of pump)
means an improvement over the bucket and winch that I am using right
now, but having learned to reduce our energy consumption drastically, I
do not feel like sacrificing first a considerable sum of money for a
motor pump, secondly a lot of petrol each time that I need to water my
plants.

I'd check them out before you spend too much money.

My experience is with much smaller distance to the water. I sail boats,
and there's a saying "The best pump is a frightened man with a bucket".
We have a few small pumps for getting water out of the bottom of boats.
When there's only a few cm a bucket wouldn't work; but they seem to need
a lot of effort for not much water.

There's probably a good reason why village wells seem to have pumps - I
imagine the big ones are better than a bucket and rope.

Andy

Good morning, all.

On Sun, 03 May 2015 21:13:17 +0100,
Vir Campestris wrote:

My experience is with much smaller distance to the water. I sail boats,
and there's a saying "The best pump is a frightened man with a bucket".
We have a few small pumps for getting water out of the bottom of boats.
When there's only a few cm a bucket wouldn't work; but they seem to need
a lot of effort for not much water.

Your uses are probably those that the plastic-pump is meant for. I
phoned the company and the manager instantaneously recommended a rotary
pump. Unfortunately, the remaining ten units that they sell, are rather
rudimentarily equipped and I need advice from a local expert before I
can decide.

In the video on the Unipump web-site, they enlarge on the fact that they
pump up half a liter with each movement, and up to 1.80m. As said, I
should foresee distances between 4 and about 6 meters, with a maximum
depth of 7.4m, in case of a serious drought. Anything lower can be
pumped by submergeable pumps, only.

At those depth I cannot but fear for the plastic leaver... At the price
that the pumps are sold for, I completely understand why there are no
maintenance needs to be expected. You rather buy a new one, directly, in
case of trouble. Also, as the tubes are fitted permanently, it is
probably downright impossible to do whatever passes as “repair-work�
with these pumps.

There's probably a good reason why village wells seem to have pumps - I
imagine the big ones are better than a bucket and rope.

I had to install a new winch twice in two years. This is mostly due to
my own inexperience with that “technology� (the user-interface is
lacking documentation). Being exposed to the weather and after heavy
use, both, the shaft and the old chain were completely worn out, when I
arrived. I have lost a bucket in the well, which I could get out again,
easily, but also some utilities which are still there...

There is another serious problem with open wells. I do not have
children, but there are many in the family... Most probably, my current
installation of a metal sheet and two heavy oak-beams to cover the well,
is completely illegal. Should be, actually.

Michael


Andy


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On 04/05/2015 11:25, Martin wrote:
A good village pump can pump a bucket full on each stroke.

That'll be a good reason for having one. I suspected there was a god
reason for them!

Andy

On 03/05/2015 21:24, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sun, 03 May 2015 21:13:17 +0100, Vir Campestris
wrote:

My experience is with much smaller distance to the water. I sail boats,
and there's a saying "The best pump is a frightened man with a bucket".
We have a few small pumps for getting water out of the bottom of boats.
When there's only a few cm a bucket wouldn't work; but they seem to need
a lot of effort for not much water.

With only a few cm, a dustpan can be a more effective baler than a
bucket.



When we lived outside Hastings we had a borehole that we got our water
from, together with rainwater.
It went into a large underground tank under the garage, it was then
pumped up to tanks in the loft either by an electric pump or if there
was trouble with it then with a rotary hand pump like those shown here..
https://www.drain-systems.co.uk/pump...ary-hand-pumps
Easy to use and shifted water quite quickly.
David @ a rainy side of Swansea Bay

On 04/05/2015 11:31, Chris Hogg wrote:
You'd be surprised. But transom flaps and self-balers are probably
more appropriate if the dinghy's full.

Absolutely. But the pumps are in the rescue boats!

Andy