http://www.phyto-victimes.fr/
In France, farmers and victims of chemical agriculture have founded a
this association Phyto-Victimes.

Current events:
https://tinyurl.com/hzwxa3d

« On April 21, 2016 will pronounced the decision in the matter Dominique
Marchal, the farmer poisoned by pesticides ».

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Everybody has a cancer here.
Those dead and those currently dying have all been chemical farmers. My
father in law was an agricultural worker who died from leukemia in the
cereal-desert of the Yvelinnes, his wife followed with a few more
diversified forms of cancer.

This is all just normal and as the life-expectation in our western
countries diminishes anyway, just confirms a natural trend. There is
always a way to ... whatever, I guess.

There is just one law, which cannot be invalidated, and that concerns
the definition of progress, which nowadays has nothing to do with the
human condition, just like sophistry has changed its meaning.

I have to accept it and keep my mouth shut.

You already won against my argumentation. Go ahead and stay happy.
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In article u,
says...

Everybody has a cancer here.

Really? Here in the UK, half those aged over 55 will be diagnosed with
cancer. The commonest cause is smoking.

Those dead and those currently dying have all been chemical farmers.

That does not necessarily mean that their cancers were caused by their
occupation. In rural areas, where populations tend to be more stable,
familial genetic risks of cancer may be in play.

My
father in law was an agricultural worker who died from leukemia in the
cereal-desert of the Yvelinnes, his wife followed with a few more
diversified forms of cancer.

One of the risk factors for rural patients survival of cancer, could
be later detection.Maybe because hardworking physically active people
are used to being tired or sore so may be very late seeking any
diagnosis; maybe because state of the art screening diagnostic and
treatment facilities are more likely to be located in major cities than
rural areas.

Janet.

Chris Hogg wrote:

There is a strong debate here in the UK over the vote in June as to
whether we remain in the EU, or leave. One of the many arguments
revolves around all the regulations imposed by Brussels on the use of
agricultural chemicals. It's often said that only the UK takes notice
of those regulations and everyone else ignores them. If the situation
is as you say, then that would seem to be the case.

Sigh.
The issue of glyphosate has absolutely nothing to do with the EU,
since there is no difference between the UK and EU on the subject.
Also, it is nonsense to say that only the UK takes notice
of this regulation.
In fact the Dutch are the leaders in pressing for glyphosate
to be banned.




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School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin

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Glyhosate causes cancer. This fact is more scientifically established
than the contrary. So I'll stick with it for the time. Apart from that,
all endeavour by the chemical industry to divert attention, and their
tricks to have modified but equally harmful substances accepted against
all reason does not serve their cause. The connection between cripled
genetically modified, transgenic and what not plants and the chemical
produce you are obliged to subscribe to at the same time is enough for
me to call them criminals. And that will not change.

As regards the EU, it was created as a means to regulate relations
between, first, France and Germany, then find a way to cope with the
dictatorships in the south of Europe which would lead to normal
relations between european people. This has been a marvellous succes.
On a wider scale, the peace that we have enjoyed for a considerable long
time in Europe, is due to the existence of the European Union.

When the Schengen agreements came along, I have been working in civil
air-traffic. And since that time, I am for the Brexit. Nobody asked me,
since. I leave an association, when I see no way to contribute to their
cause or when I notice that it was a mistake to join them in the first
place and all the others appear to be still content and enjoy
themselves.

I cannot condone the identification of the EU with economical or
financial interests (and I left a well-payed job for much the same
reason). If this is an error of people acting like idiots, we sure must
do something about it. But the EU is us ot them. Join *us* or let us be.
If you must complain, complain about the idiots, not the EU.

Michael
And I think I am out of this discussion and will have a killfile-entry
against it for a while. and will have a killfile-entry against it for a
while.

Michael.
And I think, I am out of this discussion and will have a killfile-entry
against it for a while.
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Chris Hogg wrote:

The issue of glyphosate has absolutely nothing to do with the EU,
since there is no difference between the UK and EU on the subject.
Also, it is nonsense to say that only the UK takes notice
of this regulation.
In fact the Dutch are the leaders in pressing for glyphosate
to be banned.

I deliberately avoided reference to glyphosate in my reply to Michael,
and kept my comment general. There is concern in the UK about the
agricultural regulations that come out of Brussels, and how rigorously
they are applied in mainland Europe. Whether true or whether just a
xenophobic reaction, is another matter.

If you are not talking about glyphosate
(which is the subject of the thread)
you should say what regulation you are talking about.

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Timothy Murphy
gayleard /at/ eircom.net
School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin

In article , Martin
writes
On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 12:14:58 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 12:42:49 +0200, Timothy Murphy
wrote:

Chris Hogg wrote:

There is a strong debate here in the UK over the vote in June as to
whether we remain in the EU, or leave. One of the many arguments
revolves around all the regulations imposed by Brussels on the use of
agricultural chemicals. It's often said that only the UK takes notice
of those regulations and everyone else ignores them. If the situation
is as you say, then that would seem to be the case.

Sigh.
The issue of glyphosate has absolutely nothing to do with the EU,
since there is no difference between the UK and EU on the subject.
Also, it is nonsense to say that only the UK takes notice
of this regulation.
In fact the Dutch are the leaders in pressing for glyphosate
to be banned.

another sigh

I deliberately avoided reference to glyphosate in my reply to Michael,
and kept my comment general. There is concern in the UK about the
agricultural regulations that come out of Brussels, and how rigorously
they are applied in mainland Europe. Whether true or whether just a
xenophobic reaction, is another matter.

At the end of this Daily Telegraph article is a fairly objective list of pros
and cons of Remain/Brexit.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...s-blood-toil-t
ears-and-sweat/
It's just a list of statement and counter statement and the order is
significant.
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bert