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A genuine Cox's Orange Pippin
Having spent part of my childhood in Kent, i know a genuine Cox's Orange
Pippin apple when i bite into one. A while ago we bought a so called Cox's apple tree. While it had a hint of the Cox's flavour, it was definitely *not* the real thing. Is there any way when we buy another tree that we can ensure that it is the real Cox's we are buying? Thanks. |
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A genuine Cox's Orange Pippin
On 2018-04-11, john west wrote:
Having spent part of my childhood in Kent, i know a genuine Cox's Orange Pippin apple when i bite into one. A while ago we bought a so called Cox's apple tree. While it had a hint of the Cox's flavour, it was definitely *not* the real thing. Is there any way when we buy another tree that we can ensure that it is the real Cox's we are buying? Thanks. There is no such variety as "Cox" but Joan Morgan and Alison Richards' excellant Book of Apples lists the following apple varieties with Cox in their names... Cox's Early Export Cox's Pomona Cox's Orange Pippin it also lists the following "sports" of Cox's Orange Pippin... Cherry Cox Cox Red Sport Cox Rouge des Flandres Cox's Orange Pippin Spur type Crimson Cox King Cox Kortegard Cox Queen Cox The sports will also be different to the classic Coxs Orange Pippin. I have also read that the fruit can vary depending on what root stock is used. I have often wondered what variety I am eating when I buy what is described as a "Cox" at a supermarket, because it does not resemble what I know as a Coxs Orange Pippin. cheers Jim |
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A genuine Cox's Orange Pippin
On 11/04/2018 12:35, john west wrote:
Having spent part of my childhood in Kent, i know a genuine Cox's Orange Pippin apple when i bite into one. A while ago we bought a so called Cox's apple tree. While it had a hint of the Cox's flavour, it was definitely *not* the real thing. If you buy bare root from one of the reputable tree nurseries I'd expect that you would be able to get it. If you buy from a shed then it could easily be a look alike that is much easier to grow in a domestic garden. Cox's OP is more disease prone than the more modern cultivars that incorporate most of the best features of the original old fruit. https://www.orangepippin.com/apples/coxs-orange-pippin You might want to get something that is less fussy about growing conditions unless you are expert in fruit growing. Even then the scion can be influenced by the rootstock vigour so commercial apple growers will tend to have larger trees than make sense at home. Mine is actually Sunset grafted onto a family tree with Egremont Russet. Is there any way when we buy another tree that we can ensure that it is the real Cox's we are buying?Â*Â*Â* Thanks. I was surprised how nice a golden delicious apple could be when grown slowly on a dwarfing rootstock and ripened on the tree. The pumped up water flavoured supermarket things are nothing like a home grown one. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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A genuine Cox's Orange Pippin
On 11/04/18 17:56, Martin Brown wrote:
On 11/04/2018 12:35, john west wrote: Having spent part of my childhood in Kent, i know a genuine Cox's Orange Pippin apple when i bite into one. A while ago we bought a so called Cox's apple tree. While it had a hint of the Cox's flavour, it was definitely *not* the real thing. If you buy bare root from one of the reputable tree nurseries I'd expect that you would be able to get it. If you buy from a shed then it could easily be a look alike that is much easier to grow in a domestic garden. Cox's OP is more disease prone than the more modern cultivars that incorporate most of the best features of the original old fruit. https://www.orangepippin.com/apples/coxs-orange-pippin There are many identification points on that page, but the one that I always used to identify a "Cox" apple isn't there. In the 50s and early 60s, The Coxes bought from London market stalls had a strange property - if you shook them hard you could hear the seeds rattling inside. There weren't too many other varieties of apple available with which to compare them - maybe Granny Smith and one or two others? Do other apples have this property? Modern Coxes don't, and indeed don't have the flavour that I remember either. When we moved her almost 6 years ago we found an apple tree which had quite a nice flavoured apple, although the tree hadn't been pruned for years. The apple was identified by the RHS as "Laxton's Fortune" - one of its parents is Cox's Orange Pippin! You might want to get something that is less fussy about growing conditions unless you are expert in fruit growing. Even then the scion can be influenced by the rootstock vigour so commercial apple growers will tend to have larger trees than make sense at home. Mine is actually Sunset grafted onto a family tree with Egremont Russet. Is there any way when we buy another tree that we can ensure that it is the real Cox's we are buying?Â*Â*Â* Thanks. I was surprised how nice a golden delicious apple could be when grown slowly on a dwarfing rootstock and ripened on the tree. The pumped up water flavoured supermarket things are nothing like a home grown one. I think that's spot on. I haven't eaten a fresh Golden Delicious, but you aren't the first person I've heard say that a just-picked GD is very good. We have settled on "Jazz" as our current apple of choice. Recently though, we've been trying and liking "Envy". It's completely different from Jazz, but, strangely enough, is also a Gala-Braeburn cross! Still, if I had to choose only one apple variety for the rest of my life, Egremont Russet would win hands down! -- Jeff |
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A genuine Cox's Orange Pippin
I was surprised how nice a golden delicious apple could be when grown slowly on a dwarfing rootstock and ripened on the tree. The pumped up water flavoured supermarket things are nothing like a home grown one. I think that's spot on. I haven't eaten a fresh Golden Delicious, but you aren't the first person I've heard say that a just-picked GD is very good. Another apple like GD is Greensleeves - I think GD was one of the parents. Greensleeves has very similar appearance, a thinner skin and, in my opinion, a superior but similar taste and texture. I would recommend trying Ashmeads Kernel. It is a half russet apple, with (if I remeber correctly) Cox OP as one of its parents. Very late ripening, and to be its best it has to be ripe, either kept in storage on on the tree - at least that my experience up here near Wakefield. |
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A genuine Cox's Orange Pippin
On 11/04/2018 17:56, Martin Brown wrote:
Mine is actually Sunset grafted onto a family tree with Egremont Russet I did some research and chose Sunset too. It's too young to have had many apples yet, but those few have been nice. Andy |
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