The dangers of weed killers - Glyphostae aka Roundup, the hidden killer.
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The dangers of weed killers - Glyphostae aka Roundup, the hidden killer.
"Tim Tyler" wrote in message ... In uk.rec.gardening Oz wrote: : Fortunately: : 1) It reduces by biological action quite quickly over time. : 2) Few will move to new growth (ie, stays on the leaf it fell on) and so : goes when the leaf senesces. : 3) There are strict timings for spray to harvest intervals. : 4) Pesticides these days are stunningly non-toxic to humans. This is : very good for those who apply them. ``Study says pesticides may be linked to cancer A federal study says North Carolina farmers and their wives are more likely to get prostate cancer than nonfarming couples.'' LOL!!! Must be powerful stuff. Do the men go through the menopause as well? -- Tumbleweed Remove my socks before replying (but no email reply necessary to newsgroups) |
The dangers of weed killers - Glyphostae aka Roundup, the hidden killer.
"Victor Meldrew" wrote in message
... In article , Tumbleweed fromnews@myso ckstumbleweed.freeserve.co.uk writes You miss the point, 'organic' plants are also full of insecticides and fungicides, naturally evolved to be super efficient at such stuff as mimicking animal hormones, (see the recent news on soy milk What news on soya milk would that be? The report that the babies of vegans fed on it have a 5x incidence of genital defects compared to those given cows milk. -- Tumbleweed Remove my socks before replying (but no email reply necessary to newsgroups) |
The dangers of weed killers - Glyphostae aka Roundup, the hidden killer.
"Jim Webster" wrote in message
... "Oz" wrote in message ... Victor Meldrew writes What news on soya milk would that be? Warnings from the UK Food Agency. also on Radio four on Saturday morning they had the farming programme looking at gm soya in Argentina. The Argentinians give free soya to the poor and the BBC produced this long list of dangers from eating soya, especially for the young, the male, females of breeding age and damned near everyone else as well. I am afraid it amused me no end, I await the repost of the vegetarian pro-soya tendancy Jim Webster Its natural, so it must be good for you? -- Tumbleweed Remove my socks before replying (but no email reply necessary to newsgroups) |
The dangers of weed killers - Glyphostae aka Roundup, the hidden killer.
"Tumbleweed" wrote in message ... Its natural, so it must be good for you? so is uranium and evolution people who believe in bizarre high oestrogen diets are going to have reduced breeding and will slowly disappear, thus raising the average IQ a few more points Jim Webster |
The dangers of weed killers - Glyphostae aka Roundup, the hidden killer.
"Tumbleweed" wrote in message ... "Victor Meldrew" wrote in message ... In article , Tumbleweed fromnews@myso ckstumbleweed.freeserve.co.uk writes You miss the point, 'organic' plants are also full of insecticides and fungicides, naturally evolved to be super efficient at such stuff as mimicking animal hormones, (see the recent news on soy milk What news on soya milk would that be? The report that the babies of vegans fed on it have a 5x incidence of genital defects compared to those given cows milk. the only problem with that is that to get a proper comparison you would have to forcibly replace cows milk with soya milk for the children of normal parents. After all anyone brought up on a vegan diet is going to be at risk of more problems than mere soya Jim Webster -- Tumbleweed Remove my socks before replying (but no email reply necessary to newsgroups) |
The dangers of weed killers - Glyphostae aka Roundup, the hidden killer.
In article , Tumbleweed
writes "Tim Tyler" wrote in message ... In uk.rec.gardening Oz wrote: : Fortunately: : 1) It reduces by biological action quite quickly over time. : 2) Few will move to new growth (ie, stays on the leaf it fell on) and so : goes when the leaf senesces. : 3) There are strict timings for spray to harvest intervals. : 4) Pesticides these days are stunningly non-toxic to humans. This is : very good for those who apply them. ``Study says pesticides may be linked to cancer A federal study says North Carolina farmers and their wives are more likely to get prostate cancer than nonfarming couples.'' LOL!!! Must be powerful stuff. Do the men go through the menopause as well? Yes, all men do and in a few sad cases it lasts from cradle to coffin! ;-) -- Five Cats |
The dangers of weed killers - Glyphostae aka Roundup, the hidden killer.
In uk.rec.gardening Old Codger wrote:
: "Tim Tyler" wrote: : In uk.rec.gardening Oz wrote: : : 4) Pesticides these days are stunningly non-toxic to humans. : : This is very good for those who apply them. : : ``Study says pesticides may be linked to cancer : : A federal study says North Carolina farmers and their wives : are more likely to get prostate cancer than nonfarming couples.'' : : - http://www.wect.com/Global/story.asp...5&nav=2gQcFfJ3 : That page specifically references methyl bromide. : This thread is about glyphosate. The post I responded to was about pesticides. Methyl bromide is used to control insects, nematodes, weeds, and pathogens. It seems relevant of a thread with "The dangers of weed killers" in its title. -- __________ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ |
The dangers of weed killers - Glyphostae aka Roundup, the hidden killer.
In uk.rec.gardening Tumbleweed wrote:
: You miss the point, 'organic' plants are also full of insecticides and : fungicides, naturally evolved to be super efficient at such stuff as : mimicking animal hormones, (see the recent news on soy milk, killing insects : etc. : When a random sample of around 50 of these chemicals was tested to the same : standards as man-made pesticides, 50% of them were found to be toxic, in : fact *much more* toxic than would be allowed for man-made chemicals. Thus : the man made pesticides about which you complain are less toxic than half : these naturally ocurring chemicals. You complain about 'junk' when you refer : to man-made chemicals that have undergone rigorous testing, yet you eat : plants full of hundreds of untested, probably more dangerous chemicals, with : no worries. It makes reasonable sense: Our digestive tract has evolved to cope with natural toxins. Specific enzymes exist to detoxify plant toxins that were naturally in our diet - and they have worked well enough to get us this far. The same is not true of man-made insecticides, pesticides and fungicides. -- __________ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ |
The dangers of weed killers - Glyphostae aka Roundup, the hidden killer.
"Tim Tyler" wrote in message ... In uk.rec.gardening Tumbleweed wrote: : You miss the point, 'organic' plants are also full of insecticides and : fungicides, naturally evolved to be super efficient at such stuff as : mimicking animal hormones, (see the recent news on soy milk, killing insects : etc. : When a random sample of around 50 of these chemicals was tested to the same : standards as man-made pesticides, 50% of them were found to be toxic, in : fact *much more* toxic than would be allowed for man-made chemicals. Thus : the man made pesticides about which you complain are less toxic than half : these naturally ocurring chemicals. You complain about 'junk' when you refer : to man-made chemicals that have undergone rigorous testing, yet you eat : plants full of hundreds of untested, probably more dangerous chemicals, with : no worries. It makes reasonable sense: Our digestive tract has evolved to cope with natural toxins. And plants have evolved to produce better toxins - because they don't want to be eaten. To counter this humans have bred plants that are rather better to eat than the wild ones and developed technologies to make farming and food processing more efficient. Specific enzymes exist to detoxify plant toxins that were naturally in our diet - and they have worked well enough to get us this far. No they haven't. There are 6 billion people on this planet - without efficient agriculture, i.e. depending on our "natural wits (and enzymes)" there would be at most a few hundred million. The same is not true of man-made insecticides, pesticides and fungicides. Of course not - they've not evolved to harm anything that eats them, indeed they've been designed not to. All in all it's better to eat meat - animals generally defend themselves by running away rather than producing toxins, so all you need is a means of catching them. Michael Saunby |
The dangers of weed killers - Glyphostae aka Roundup, the hidden killer.
"Tim Tyler" wrote in message ... In uk.rec.gardening Tumbleweed wrote: It makes reasonable sense: Our digestive tract has evolved to cope with natural toxins. no, our digestive tracts have evolved to cope with SOME natural toxins. Also the plants and their toxins are still evolving It is a bit tricky for, for example, Europeans to have evolved to cope with Soya.Biologically we have not had time JimWebster |
The dangers of weed killers - Glyphostae aka Roundup, the hidden killer.
Tim Tyler writes
Methyl bromide is used to control insects, nematodes, weeds, and pathogens. It seems relevant of a thread with "The dangers of weed killers" in its title. About as relevant as the use of arsenic to cure syphilis. In any case you also haven't read the subject box. -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
The dangers of weed killers - Glyphostae aka Roundup, the hidden killer.
Tim Tyler writes
Our digestive tract has evolved to cope with natural toxins. Specific enzymes exist to detoxify plant toxins that were naturally in our diet - and they have worked well enough to get us this far. The same is not true of man-made insecticides, pesticides and fungicides. Toxins are toxins, no matter where they come from. The biochemical degradations pathways are the same. Note that unbiodegradeable pesticides have been banned for decades, since the DDT scare regulations in the early 70's. -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
The dangers of weed killers - Glyphostae aka Roundup, the hidden killer.
"Tim Tyler" wrote in message ... In uk.rec.gardening Tumbleweed wrote: : You miss the point, 'organic' plants are also full of insecticides and : fungicides, naturally evolved to be super efficient at such stuff as : mimicking animal hormones, (see the recent news on soy milk, killing insects : etc. : When a random sample of around 50 of these chemicals was tested to the same : standards as man-made pesticides, 50% of them were found to be toxic, in : fact *much more* toxic than would be allowed for man-made chemicals. Thus : the man made pesticides about which you complain are less toxic than half : these naturally ocurring chemicals. You complain about 'junk' when you refer : to man-made chemicals that have undergone rigorous testing, yet you eat : plants full of hundreds of untested, probably more dangerous chemicals, with : no worries. It makes reasonable sense: Our digestive tract has evolved to cope with natural toxins. In which case we probably don't regard the food source as toxic at all. Or not - in which case the toxins remain toxic to humans, and we presumably have learned to avoid ingestion, or to process the food so as to reduce the toxicity to levels we consider acceptable. Similar to how we might deal with foods we know to have been treated with 'artificial' toxins, really. |
The dangers of weed killers - Glyphostae aka Roundup, the hidden killer.
In uk.rec.gardening Jim Webster wrote:
"Tim Tyler" wrote in message ... In uk.rec.gardening Tumbleweed wrote: It makes reasonable sense: Our digestive tract has evolved to cope with natural toxins. no, our digestive tracts have evolved to cope with SOME natural toxins. Also the plants and their toxins are still evolving Er, surely a toxin is only a toxin if our digestion can't cope with it and it poisons us. Anything we can successfully digest and either metabolise or excrete is, almost by definition, not a toxin. -- Chris Green ) |
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