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Bluebell seeds
"Pam Moore" wrote in message Snip NO. Why deplete the countyside even further of this vanishing English bluebell? Nick answers that. Chiltern sell packets of bluebell seed. I wonder what species they are. Might they be Spanish or hybrids? I would not risk buying them unless sure that they are not. Are they collected from the wild for sale? Some wild flower seeds are collected for profit and I deplore that! Of course, if the market was to dry up . . . . . . . ! Regards Ron |
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"Pam Moore" wrote in message Snip NO. Why deplete the countyside even further of this vanishing English bluebell? Nick answers that. Chiltern sell packets of bluebell seed. I wonder what species they are. Might they be Spanish or hybrids? I would not risk buying them unless sure that they are not. Are they collected from the wild for sale? Some wild flower seeds are collected for profit and I deplore that! Of course, if the market was to dry up . . . . . . . ! Regards Ron |
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"Pam Moore" wrote in message Snip NO. Why deplete the countyside even further of this vanishing English bluebell? Nick Maclaren answers that. Chiltern sell packets of bluebell seed. I wonder what species they are. Might they be Spanish or hybrids? I would not risk buying them unless sure that they are not. Are they collected from the wild for sale? Some wild flower seeds are collected for profit in this and other contries. Many of the seeds so collected will never live to "see" the earth. It's the commercial collection and sale of wild flower seeds that should be banned. However, if the market was to dry up . . . . . . . but I dare say there will always be some who are too lazy to collect a few such seeds for their own use. Regarding the fact that I collected 8 ounces of bluebell seeds, a microscopic percentage of those available. The areas from which I collected were so thick with bluebells that there was hardly room for any more to grow except in the "ploughed" areas left by the tractors and logging trailers where there were thousands of squashed bluebell bulbs and perchance, millions of seeds already. A couple of ounces of my seeds were scattered by the steward in a wooded conservation area where there was only a few bluebells and some I grew on (mainly because I received no request for seeds after a letter in the local press). The rest "fell at the wayside" where I hope many flourished. Regards Ron |
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Urglers,
What the H - - -'s my computer up to? Sorry about that. Ron |
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"Ron" wrote in message ... A couple of ounces of my seeds were scattered by the steward in a wooded conservation area where there was only a few bluebells and some I grew on (mainly because I received no request for seeds after a letter in the local press). The rest "fell at the wayside" where I hope many flourished. What a pity. The few times I have seen that someone has bluebell seeds to give or swap I jump at it but have never been successful Ophelia |
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"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article , Annabel wrote: Collecting seed from the wild is illegal and is partly what has been blamed on the reduction and/or local extinction of some species of plant not least in the huge quantity that you say you took. I'm not sure if planting seed in ground where you have no permission is illegal but it is very definitely frowned on and irresponsible, and it has led to the degradation of local races i.e. the rapid increase in Spanish bluebell in the u.k. You are seriously confused. No, it is not illegal in the UK, in general, but may be for some plants. Wrong. Takeing without consent is theft It has little or no effect on the reproduction of species like bluebells, which use seed mainly to propagate themselves to new areas. If sufficient harvests from the wild are done then the species will decline, note spectacular examples such as cod and whales And, no, it has not helped with the spread of Spanish bluebells - as the poster assumed, it would probably reduce that effect. Absolute rubbish, if genetically impure bluebells (when the impurity! is dominant as is the case with spanish bluebells) are put itnto an area with english bluebells the there is only one result and its certainly not to reduce the effect of spanish bluebells However, there are SOME plants in SOME places where your statements would be true. Almost always annuals, for obvious reasons. Regards, Nick Maclaren. To all Elsewhere in this thread I was asked if I could cite my sources, well I cant at the moment, however when I asked in this very newsgroup a year or so ago if I could remove bluebells from a private garden I was given lots of advice that iirc included legal refs, and that technically you cannot weed, kill vermin etc, that to remove something from property you must have the landowners permission. Bell |
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In article , Annabel
writes "Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article , Annabel wrote: It has little or no effect on the reproduction of species like bluebells, which use seed mainly to propagate themselves to new areas. If sufficient harvests from the wild are done then the species will decline, note spectacular examples such as cod and whales That is a strange analogy. We were talking about taking seed from plants which produce an abundance of seed, with a low survival rate to maturity. This is not the same as taking the whole plant, which is the equivalent of harvesting cod or whales. And, no, it has not helped with the spread of Spanish bluebells - as the poster assumed, it would probably reduce that effect. Absolute rubbish, if genetically impure bluebells (when the impurity! is dominant as is the case with spanish bluebells) are put itnto an area with english bluebells the there is only one result and its certainly not to reduce the effect of spanish bluebells But that wasn't what was being discussed. What was being discussed was introducing English bluebells into an area where there were none. To all Elsewhere in this thread I was asked if I could cite my sources, well I cant at the moment, however when I asked in this very newsgroup a year or so ago if I could remove bluebells from a private garden I was given lots of advice that iirc included legal refs, and that technically you cannot weed, kill vermin etc, that to remove something from property you must have the landowners permission. There's a difference between collecting seed and removing plants. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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"Kay Easton" wrote in message ... In article , Annabel writes "Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article , Annabel wrote: It has little or no effect on the reproduction of species like bluebells, which use seed mainly to propagate themselves to new areas. If sufficient harvests from the wild are done then the species will decline, note spectacular examples such as cod and whales That is a strange analogy. We were talking about taking seed from plants which produce an abundance of seed, with a low survival rate to maturity. This is not the same as taking the whole plant, which is the equivalent of harvesting cod or whales. Ok, but what I was pointing out was desimation of species that were once believed to be so numerous that human activity could not influence there numbers.. I have searched back threads a little to find that the scarcity of the primrose, a perenial, is said to be due to flower picking. It was stated earlier that perenials were not generally at risk and as we older ones know the primrose was a very common sight And, no, it has not helped with the spread of Spanish bluebells - as the poster assumed, it would probably reduce that effect. Absolute rubbish, if genetically impure bluebells (when the impurity! is dominant as is the case with spanish bluebells) are put itnto an area with english bluebells the there is only one result and its certainly not to reduce the effect of spanish bluebells But that wasn't what was being discussed. What was being discussed was introducing English bluebells The poster has stated spanish bluebells into an area where there were none. To all Elsewhere in this thread I was asked if I could cite my sources, well I cant at the moment, however when I asked in this very newsgroup a year or so ago if I could remove bluebells from a private garden I was given lots of advice that iirc included legal refs, and that technically you cannot weed, kill vermin etc, that to remove something from property you must have the landowners permission. There's a difference between collecting seed and removing plants. No theres not. Can you not imagin the effect of going to a nursery or private garden or indeed if anybody who fancies comes to your garden to remove seeds, and dont forget tresspass will not work as you have to sue for damages when you say no damage has been done. bel -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 06:46:11 +0100, "Ron"
wrote: Chiltern sell packets of bluebell seed. I wonder what species they are. http://www.edirectory.co.uk/chiltern...es/Default.asp Last item on that page. Scilla non scripta; true wild species. I have sown 2 pots with them. Fingers crossed, but I have Spanish in my garden so don't know what chance the above will have if I do have success with the seed. Perhaps you should challenge them,. Pam in Bristol |
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Annabel wrote: You are seriously confused. No, it is not illegal in the UK, in general, but may be for some plants. Wrong. Takeing without consent is theft Taking property is. Wild plants are not property. OK? It has little or no effect on the reproduction of species like bluebells, which use seed mainly to propagate themselves to new areas. If sufficient harvests from the wild are done then the species will decline, note spectacular examples such as cod and whales For heaven's sake! Please do at least try to read what I post before weebling on. And, no, it has not helped with the spread of Spanish bluebells - as the poster assumed, it would probably reduce that effect. Absolute rubbish, if genetically impure bluebells (when the impurity! is dominant as is the case with spanish bluebells) are put itnto an area with english bluebells the there is only one result and its certainly not to reduce the effect of spanish bluebells What on earth are you on about? I was referring to the use of English bluebell seed, which is what the original poster was intending to use. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article , Annabel wrote: You are seriously confused. No, it is not illegal in the UK, in general, but may be for some plants. Wrong. Takeing without consent is theft Taking property is. Wild plants are not property. OK? What absolut rubbish It has little or no effect on the reproduction of species like bluebells, which use seed mainly to propagate themselves to new areas. If sufficient harvests from the wild are done then the species will decline, note spectacular examples such as cod and whales For heaven's sake! Please do at least try to read what I post before weebling on. And, no, it has not helped with the spread of Spanish bluebells - as the poster assumed, it would probably reduce that effect. Absolute rubbish, if genetically impure bluebells (when the impurity! is dominant as is the case with spanish bluebells) are put itnto an area with english bluebells the there is only one result and its certainly not to reduce the effect of spanish bluebells What on earth are you on about? I was referring to the use of English bluebell seed, which is what the original poster was intending to use. Above you say " Please do at least try to read what I post before weebling on." Now you say english bluebells but please read the op's post 14/06/03 10:13 , need I say more bel Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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In article , Annabel
writes Ok, but what I was pointing out was desimation of species that were once believed to be so numerous that human activity could not influence there numbers.. I have searched back threads a little to find that the scarcity of the primrose, a perenial, is said to be due to flower picking. It was stated earlier that perenials were not generally at risk and as we older ones know the primrose was a very common sight Although primrose is a perennial, it tends to spread by seed rather than vegetatively. But that wasn't what was being discussed. What was being discussed was introducing English bluebells The poster has stated spanish bluebells That was the original poster. The one who had collected seed and scattered along the verge had collected seed of the english bluebell. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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Kay Easton wrote in message ...
In article , Annabel writes Collecting seed from the wild is illegal Are you sure of that? Can you specify the legislation that it comes under? Uprooting plants without the owner's permission is illegal, but not, AFAIK, collecting seed. [...] But under UK law all land is somebody's property, and that includes anything growing on it. So even if it isn't illegal to collect seed of a particular species (but ISTR the prohibition now covers all species), without the owner's permission it's ordinary theft to collect seed from privately-owned plants: i.e., all plants. Catch 23? Regardless of whether I'm right about that, I think people should take the Spanish bluebell problem seriously: pollen gets moved about quite a lot. I was going to plant some "Spaniards" last year, because I wanted some white ones, and decided not to, to be on the safe side. Mike. |
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In article , Mike Lyle
writes But under UK law all land is somebody's property, and that includes anything growing on it. So even if it isn't illegal to collect seed of a particular species (but ISTR the prohibition now covers all species) but which Act made that provision? I don't think that provision has been made. , without the owner's permission it's ordinary theft to collect seed from privately-owned plants: i.e., all plants. Catch 23? Absolutely, though in practice the local authority, for example, isn't going to prosecute you for collecting see from a roadside verge, or the local water works for collecting fungi and blackberries in their woods. Regardless of whether I'm right about that, I think people should take the Spanish bluebell problem seriously: pollen gets moved about quite a lot. I was going to plant some "Spaniards" last year, because I wanted some white ones, and decided not to, to be on the safe side. I suspect we are beyond that point - I was shocked to find the bluebells my father had passed from his garden (which would have been planted 50 years ago) were spanish. I think if you are in an urban site, most of the bluebells around you are likely to be spanish. Plantlife are doing a Bluebell survey this year - it will be interesting to see what distribution they find. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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