Hi,

I want to grow a grapevine in my new greenhouse. I would like to grow red
grapes. I have a few questions I hope someone can answer:

What's the best time of year to sow?
Should I buy seed or plants?
Can anyone suggest a good supplier?

Thanks!

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On 17 Jun 2003 15:50:33 -0500, Mark Allison
wrote:

I want to grow a grapevine in my new greenhouse. I would like to grow red
grapes. I have a few questions I hope someone can answer:

Should I buy seed or plants?
I would buy plants. Many garden centres and lots of online places will
sell quite a wide range of varieties - just look in their fruit
section.

The advantage of getting a plant is that it will be established
(usually grafted onto suitably resistant rootstock - something that
would be harder for you to achieve growing from seed).

What's the best time of year to sow?

Given that you won't want to try seeds, plants may still be available.

I bought a Cabernet Sauvignon, Gewurtsraminer only a few weeks ago.
They're doing very well (though the Cabernet is a bit of a gamble this
far North).

Can anyone suggest a good supplier?

I got mine from Almondsbury Garden centre, just off the M4/M5
interchange in Bristol.

Other sources include (note - I haven't tried these people):

* Brian Edwards at Sunnybank Nursery, he specialises in small
quantities and mail order - 01981 240256 or email:


* Reads Nurseries:
http://www.readsnursery.co.uk/catalo...ts__Figs__.htm

* Crocus:
http://www.crocus.co.uk/findplant/re...ame=grape+vine

* General UK Vine growing info:
http://sol.brunel.ac.uk/~richards/wine/ukvines.htm

http://www.viticulture.co.uk/
Colin
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Mark Allison wrote in message ...
Hi,

I want to grow a grapevine in my new greenhouse. I would like to grow
red
grapes. I have a few questions I hope someone can answer:

What's the best time of year to sow?
Should I buy seed or plants?
Can anyone suggest a good supplier?

Not too sure of the best time to put them in, but buy a plant, seeds may
not come true for the variety, don't think you can buy seeds in any
case. A good nursery should have plants, and be able to help.

Mike
www.british-naturism.org.uk

On Tue, 17 Jun 2003, Colin Malsingh wrote:

I want to grow a grapevine in my new greenhouse. I would like to grow red
grapes. I have a few questions I hope someone can answer:

Should I buy seed or plants?

I would buy plants. Many garden centres and lots of online places will
sell quite a wide range of varieties - just look in their fruit
section.

The advantage of getting a plant is that it will be established
(usually grafted onto suitably resistant rootstock - something that
would be harder for you to achieve growing from seed).

Resistant to what? The only reason that vines are grafted is to avoid
phylloxera but we are not bothered with that in this country. Even if
vines are grafted they will still be vulnerable to the mildews.

I've been growing vines (grafted and non-grafted) for twenty-seven years
and have never had a case of phylloxera!

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On Tue, 17 Jun 2003, Colin Malsingh wrote:

I want to grow a grapevine in my new greenhouse. I would like to grow red
grapes. I have a few questions I hope someone can answer:

Should I buy seed or plants?

I would buy plants. Many garden centres and lots of online places will
sell quite a wide range of varieties - just look in their fruit
section.

The advantage of getting a plant is that it will be established
(usually grafted onto suitably resistant rootstock - something that
would be harder for you to achieve growing from seed).

Resistant to what? The only reason that vines are grafted is to avoid
phylloxera but we are not bothered with that in this country. Even if
vines are grafted they will still be vulnerable to the mildews.

I've been growing vines (grafted and non-grafted) for twenty-seven years
and have never had a case of phylloxera!

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On 17 Jun 2003, "Michael Berridge" wrote
the following pearl of wisdom:

Not too sure of the best time to put them in, but buy a plant, seeds may
not come true for the variety, don't think you can buy seeds in any
case. A good nursery should have plants, and be able to help.

Mike
www.british-naturism.org.uk






Thanks everyone. I think I'll go for a plant then. I need to know when's
the best time to plant it.

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On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Mark Allison wrote:

Thanks everyone. I think I'll go for a plant then. I need to know when's
the best time to plant it.

Any time as long as you keep it well watered. If you get a vine from a
garden centre then it will be potted anyway.

I usually have plenty of vines to give away but don't seem to have any
at the moment.

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I grow two vines here (NW Brittany - cf W of England climate) outdoors,
against a wall, and they are tremendous: Chasselas for white grapes, Aladin
for black. Everyone round here uses Chasselas.
Aladin is resistant to several diseases, especially mildew (the French call
it mildiou - is it blight?), otherwise you have to treat them periodically.
I am told that greenhouse vines are even more subject to this problem than
those where the air circulates better.
If you plant after July you will miss the growth spurt, I think.
David

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Hi,

I want to grow a grapevine in my new greenhouse. I would like to grow red
grapes. I have a few questions I hope someone can answer:

What's the best time of year to sow?
Should I buy seed or plants?
Can anyone suggest a good supplier?

Thanks!

--
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http://www.allisonmitchell.com



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On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, david wrote:

I grow two vines here (NW Brittany - cf W of England climate) outdoors,
against a wall, and they are tremendous: Chasselas for white grapes, Aladin
for black. Everyone round here uses Chasselas.

That's interesting. I didn't know that Chasselas was grown in Brittany.
I have a Chasselas against my house in Normandy and from which I have
taken cuttings in order to establish a vineyard. It isn't a great grape
for wine-making but at least it ripens satisfactorily in a northern
climate. Last year it produced a very nice wine - the juice had an
initial gravity of 1.074 which meant I didn't have to add any sugar.

Aladin is resistant to several diseases, especially mildew (the French call
it mildiou - is it blight?),

Mildew is a kind of fungus. There are two kinds which attack vines:
downy mildew which should be treated with dithane, and powdery mildew
which is treated with Bordeaux mixture. They need to be sprayed every
ten to fourteen days except when flowering.

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in article , david at
wrote on 18/6/03 9:23 am:

I grow two vines here (NW Brittany - cf W of England climate) outdoors,
against a wall, and they are tremendous: Chasselas for white grapes, Aladin
for black. Everyone round here uses Chasselas.
Aladin is resistant to several diseases, especially mildew (the French call
it mildiou - is it blight?), otherwise you have to treat them periodically.
I am told that greenhouse vines are even more subject to this problem than
those where the air circulates better.
If you plant after July you will miss the growth spurt, I think.
snip

The very best white grape IMO is the original Guernsey grape called Cannon
Hall. It's pretty hard to find now but we got ours from Reads, IIRC. It
came two years ago and was very tiny so we've had no fruit yet but I can't
wait!
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David,

where do you get the Bordeaux mixture? I haven't managed to find any for sale,
yet.

BTW - the plants you gave me in Dec 1999 are growing well, and I'm letting them
produce a little fruit for the first time this year.

Regards

Edwin.

On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Edwin Spector wrote:

where do you get the Bordeaux mixture? I haven't managed to find any for sale,
yet.

Don't Homebase or B & Q have it? Come to think of it I haven't bought
any in Britain now for some time.

I'm going over to France on Thursday of next week for five days. Let me
know and I can bring you some back (that is, if you still commute past
Reading these days). Alternatively I could find a recipe and you could
get a chemist to make some up.

BTW - the plants you gave me in Dec 1999 are growing well, and I'm letting them
produce a little fruit for the first time this year.

Thanks for the feedback. Can't remember whether they were Chasselas or
Seyval Blanc, but they should certainly be ready to produce a crop this
year.

Best wishes, David

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In article , David Rance writes:
| On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Edwin Spector wrote:
|
| where do you get the Bordeaux mixture? I haven't managed to find any for sale,
| yet.
|
| Don't Homebase or B & Q have it? Come to think of it I haven't bought
| any in Britain now for some time.
|
| I'm going over to France on Thursday of next week for five days. Let me
| know and I can bring you some back (that is, if you still commute past
| Reading these days). Alternatively I could find a recipe and you could
| get a chemist to make some up.

Bordeaux?

More seriously, it is widely available in the UK. Most decent
garden centres and mail order gardening companies stock it.

I don't know if you can use Cheshunt compound as an alternative,
but they are both copper-based.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Nick Maclaren wrote:

| where do you get the Bordeaux mixture? I haven't managed to find
| any for sale,
| yet.
|
| Don't Homebase or B & Q have it? Come to think of it I haven't bought
| any in Britain now for some time.

Bordeaux?

More seriously, it is widely available in the UK. Most decent
garden centres and mail order gardening companies stock it.

I would have thought so. It's always been a standard stock-in-trade.

I don't know if you can use Cheshunt compound as an alternative,
but they are both copper-based.

In fact any copper-based fungicide would do the trick.

Best wishes, David

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