Hi
I bought several potted roses a couple of months ago, some HTs and 1 shrub
rose (Mme isaac Pereire). The HTs are all doing brilliantly.
Mme Isaac was intended as a feature plant in my front garden, I removed a
square of turf and replaced some of the subsoil with compost and well rotted
manure. It has had 4 flowers, 3 of which were already buds when I bought it,
but apart from that it has not grown at all. It doesn't look like it's
dying, there are no greenfly or black spots, it's just sitting there! It's
regularly watered and fed. I understood that shrub roses sent out long canes
but there is no growth at all anywhere.
Do shrub roses take longer to establish, is there anything anyone can
suggest that I might be doing wrong?
thanks, Lisa

"Pickle" wrote in message ...
Hi
I bought several potted roses a couple of months ago, some HTs and 1 shrub
rose (Mme isaac Pereire). The HTs are all doing brilliantly.
Mme Isaac was intended as a feature plant in my front garden, I removed a
square of turf and replaced some of the subsoil with compost and well rotted
manure. It has had 4 flowers, 3 of which were already buds when I bought it,
but apart from that it has not grown at all. It doesn't look like it's
dying, there are no greenfly or black spots, it's just sitting there! It's
regularly watered and fed. I understood that shrub roses sent out long canes
but there is no growth at all anywhere.
Do shrub roses take longer to establish, is there anything anyone can
suggest that I might be doing wrong?
thanks, Lisa

What's under the lawn where you removed the turf for Mrs Isaac P? If
it's very heavy stuff, the roots may not have spread beyond the
composty bit you dug for them. The Reader's Digest book says she's
very vigorous, capable of reaching 15' on a fence -- this suggests to
me she needs plenty of root room, but the book also says this group
don't want rich soil. Maybe it's just a matter of time to settle in,
but you could cautiously loosen the soil around the planting hole and
mulch the loosened area (lawn-mowings will do it) to encourage root
expansion once the manure's exhausted, which will probably be soon.

Mike.

"Mike Lyle" wrote in message
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What's under the lawn where you removed the turf for Mrs Isaac P? If
it's very heavy stuff, the roots may not have spread beyond the
composty bit you dug for them. The Reader's Digest book says she's
very vigorous, capable of reaching 15' on a fence -- this suggests to
me she needs plenty of root room, but the book also says this group
don't want rich soil. Maybe it's just a matter of time to settle in,
but you could cautiously loosen the soil around the planting hole and
mulch the loosened area (lawn-mowings will do it) to encourage root
expansion once the manure's exhausted, which will probably be soon.

Mike.

It's quite heavy clay, so maybe you're right Mike. i'll try that, thanks.

Hi,
I grow a lot of 'old ' roses, in my experience is is nearly always the
original rose which is at fault if you have a problem[otherwise your ht's
wouldn't be doing well]
unfortunately many garden centres sell inferior old roses, I have seen them
with black spot rust etc.
I would recommend David Austin roses in Wolverhampton, they are a bit pricey
but you will get a good mail order plant,
best wishes
Gea Jones

"Mike Lyle" wrote in message
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"Pickle" wrote in message
...
Hi
I bought several potted roses a couple of months ago, some HTs and 1
shrub
rose (Mme isaac Pereire). The HTs are all doing brilliantly.
Mme Isaac was intended as a feature plant in my front garden, I removed
a
square of turf and replaced some of the subsoil with compost and well
rotted
manure. It has had 4 flowers, 3 of which were already buds when I bought
it,
but apart from that it has not grown at all. It doesn't look like it's
dying, there are no greenfly or black spots, it's just sitting there!
It's
regularly watered and fed. I understood that shrub roses sent out long
canes
but there is no growth at all anywhere.
Do shrub roses take longer to establish, is there anything anyone can
suggest that I might be doing wrong?
thanks, Lisa

What's under the lawn where you removed the turf for Mrs Isaac P? If
it's very heavy stuff, the roots may not have spread beyond the
composty bit you dug for them. The Reader's Digest book says she's
very vigorous, capable of reaching 15' on a fence -- this suggests to
me she needs plenty of root room, but the book also says this group
don't want rich soil. Maybe it's just a matter of time to settle in,
but you could cautiously loosen the soil around the planting hole and
mulch the loosened area (lawn-mowings will do it) to encourage root
expansion once the manure's exhausted, which will probably be soon.

Mike.

"Gea Jones" wrote in message ...
Hi,
I grow a lot of 'old ' roses, in my experience is is nearly always the
original rose which is at fault if you have a problem[otherwise your ht's
wouldn't be doing well]
unfortunately many garden centres sell inferior old roses, I have seen them
with black spot rust etc.
I would recommend David Austin roses in Wolverhampton, they are a bit pricey
but you will get a good mail order plant,
best wishes
Gea Jones

I bought the roses from Wych Cross Nurseries in East Sussex, a
specialist rose grower. I don't think there's anything wrong with the
plant, what there is of it looks healthy enough, no black spot, rust
or otherwise, just a very small rose!

"Pickle" wrote in message
...
"Gea Jones" wrote in message
...
Hi,
I grow a lot of 'old ' roses, in my experience is is nearly always the
original rose which is at fault if you have a problem[otherwise your
ht's
wouldn't be doing well]
unfortunately many garden centres sell inferior old roses, I have seen
them
with black spot rust etc.
I would recommend David Austin roses in Wolverhampton, they are a bit
pricey
but you will get a good mail order plant,
best wishes
Gea Jones

I bought the roses from Wych Cross Nurseries in East Sussex, a
specialist rose grower. I don't think there's anything wrong with the
plant, what there is of it looks healthy enough, no black spot,

rust

Seems strange, that is a strong rose, I have found this with old roses
though, some I have bought have done incredibly well in all sorts of
positions, soil etc. others just don't do anything,
the waiting is important though,
if you bought it in or near to flowering it won't do much till next year
anyway, take off the flower head , but don't overprune,
maybe buy another old rose, just for fun , and se how you get on,
they are more or less the only ones I grow, and I love them, especially the
scent,
Mdme. Alfred Carriere has covered half a wall in two years, and now, Pauls
Himalyan Musk is covering two wallls in three years,
My most successful has been Rosa Gallica Mundi, and all of the
roses , Penelope ., Prosperity, etc.
Good Luck
Gea









or otherwise, just a very small rose!