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"Mike Lyle" wrote in message om... "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Jim W" wrote in message news:1fzpaq4.3fotk71tjjc6pN%00senetnospamtodayta@m acunlimited.net... Franz Heymann wrote: Yes. I mentioned in another post that I have come across a source and have ordered some. Must've missed that.. Y can still ahve fun making you're own if you wish though.. Try Agar and up to 5% V8 carrot juice.. As long as it starts off sterile (eg clean heat cleaned containers) and is set hot then cooled) there is no reason why it might not work OK.. Where does one buy Agar? What does it cost? What is wrong with simply making up a weak jelly with ordinary "food" jelly? [...] Wholefood shops sell Carragheen or Irish moss: I don't imagine it costs much. I've always meant to try making the pudding, but have never got round to it. I have no idea if you can use gelatin for propagation; but I think the reason it isn't used in labs is that it has a lower melting-point than agar. I have my doubts if this is important. After all, I propose to root the cuttings at a temperature at which the jelly will be stiff. There may also be an issue in terms of reactivity to acids, perhaps? You may have something here. I will have a shot at using jelly, but not until after I have played with the commercial gel Franz Mike. |
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"Andrew Barnett" wrote in message ... Why has the concept disappeared from the scene? What was the gel which was used? [Franz Heymann] The product in the UK was Fisons Clearcut. You've rung a bell. That was it. The company spent a small fortune on advertising the product in various media including TV, and it sold like hot cakes - but as soon as they stopped advertising, it stopped selling... It just wasn't profitable, and ISTR it had a restricted shelf-life, which meant that Garden Centres and wholesalers didn't want to stock it if it didn't turn over fast enough to avoid wastage. That might explain its demise. I wonder if "gel2root" will have a similar fate. I suspect that Fothergill's ought to try harder. I have now failed to find it in 3 large garden centres. Franz |
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Franz Heymann wrote:
That might explain its demise. I wonder if "gel2root" will have a similar fate. I suspect that Fothergill's ought to try harder. I have now failed to find it in 3 large garden centres. Franz I am pretty sure Chempak still do the preprepared 'domestic pots'.. But if you do a search for 'Micropropagation supplies' You can get ready prepared pots by post IIRC.. There was a Carnivourous plants stie (UK based) that did a load of stuff. // Jim |
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"Jim W" wrote in message news:1fzs25l.ukf2qj27dcquN%00senetnospamtodayta@ma cunlimited.net... Franz Heymann wrote: That might explain its demise. I wonder if "gel2root" will have a similar fate. I suspect that Fothergill's ought to try harder. I have now failed to find it in 3 large garden centres. Franz I am pretty sure Chempak still do the preprepared 'domestic pots'.. But if you do a search for 'Micropropagation supplies' You can get ready prepared pots by post IIRC.. There was a Carnivourous plants stie (UK based) that did a load of stuff. Thanks, Jim. You can (I have) ordered the stuff direct from Fothergills. Franz |
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:00:21 +0100, Andrew Barnett
wrote: ~ ~Why has the concept disappeared from the scene? ~ ~What was the gel which was used? ~ ~[Franz Heymann] ~ ~ ~The product in the UK was Fisons Clearcut. Ah - thankyou for the reminder. I used to buy loads of this stuff to propagate my African Violets back in the late 80s, though as an impecunious student I tended to reuse them by topping them up with water once they looked like they were drying out! Then one day I couldn't find them any more... ~The company spent a small fortune on advertising the product in various ~media including TV, and it sold like hot cakes - but as soon as they ~stopped advertising, it stopped selling... Well it was a very good product. Worked wonders with pelargoniums too. And I loved watching the roots form - perhaps I ought to get some for my godchildren (aged 5). ~It just wasn't profitable, and ISTR it had a restricted shelf-life, ~which meant that Garden Centres and wholesalers didn't want to stock it ~if it didn't turn over fast enough to avoid wastage. I am intending to buy some of the new stuff as I could do with a new generation of violets... current trayful are getting a bit old! thanks for the name reminder. -- jane Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you may still exist but you have ceased to live. Mark Twain Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks! |
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:00:21 +0100, Andrew Barnett
wrote: ~ ~Why has the concept disappeared from the scene? ~ ~What was the gel which was used? ~ ~[Franz Heymann] ~ ~ ~The product in the UK was Fisons Clearcut. Ah - thankyou for the reminder. I used to buy loads of this stuff to propagate my African Violets back in the late 80s, though as an impecunious student I tended to reuse them by topping them up with water once they looked like they were drying out! Then one day I couldn't find them any more... ~The company spent a small fortune on advertising the product in various ~media including TV, and it sold like hot cakes - but as soon as they ~stopped advertising, it stopped selling... Well it was a very good product. Worked wonders with pelargoniums too. And I loved watching the roots form - perhaps I ought to get some for my godchildren (aged 5). ~It just wasn't profitable, and ISTR it had a restricted shelf-life, ~which meant that Garden Centres and wholesalers didn't want to stock it ~if it didn't turn over fast enough to avoid wastage. I am intending to buy some of the new stuff as I could do with a new generation of violets... current trayful are getting a bit old! thanks for the name reminder. -- jane Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you may still exist but you have ceased to live. Mark Twain Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks! |
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:00:21 +0100, Andrew Barnett
wrote: ~ ~Why has the concept disappeared from the scene? ~ ~What was the gel which was used? ~ ~[Franz Heymann] ~ ~ ~The product in the UK was Fisons Clearcut. Ah - thankyou for the reminder. I used to buy loads of this stuff to propagate my African Violets back in the late 80s, though as an impecunious student I tended to reuse them by topping them up with water once they looked like they were drying out! Then one day I couldn't find them any more... ~The company spent a small fortune on advertising the product in various ~media including TV, and it sold like hot cakes - but as soon as they ~stopped advertising, it stopped selling... Well it was a very good product. Worked wonders with pelargoniums too. And I loved watching the roots form - perhaps I ought to get some for my godchildren (aged 5). ~It just wasn't profitable, and ISTR it had a restricted shelf-life, ~which meant that Garden Centres and wholesalers didn't want to stock it ~if it didn't turn over fast enough to avoid wastage. I am intending to buy some of the new stuff as I could do with a new generation of violets... current trayful are getting a bit old! thanks for the name reminder. -- jane Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you may still exist but you have ceased to live. Mark Twain Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks! |
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Apologies for coming in late to this thread, but has anyone tried
using those water-retaining gel granules as a rooting medium (after they've been well soaked, of course)? I would think they might be ideal, holding lots of water but allowing air to circulate in the spaces between. -- Chris E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net |
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Chris Hogg wrote in message ... Apologies for coming in late to this thread, but has anyone tried using those water-retaining gel granules as a rooting medium (after they've been well soaked, of course)? I would think they might be ideal, holding lots of water but allowing air to circulate in the spaces between. You would not want air to circulate round the developing roots. they need to be in contact with moisture all the time. Mike www.british-naturism.org.uk |
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In article , Michael
Berridge writes Chris Hogg wrote in message ... Apologies for coming in late to this thread, but has anyone tried using those water-retaining gel granules as a rooting medium (after they've been well soaked, of course)? I would think they might be ideal, holding lots of water but allowing air to circulate in the spaces between. You would not want air to circulate round the developing roots. they need to be in contact with moisture all the time. Do they, though? I was reading an article recently which said that, contrary to previous belief, seeds and seedlings took in more water from the air spaces between the soil than from the soil itself. So might not the same hold true for cuttings? And don't most people add sand to the rooting compost - not to hold water, but to give air spaces? I dunno - I don't go in for cuttings. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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I have used this rooting gel for awhile now and have successfully rooted
geranium, fushia, I should think any softwood stem would work. Its so easy to use and theres the added bonus of watching the roots form. Only one draw back its not cheap stuff :-( "martin" wrote in message ... On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:11:43 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:20:14 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: About a decade and a half ago there was a sudden burst if interest amongst amateur gardeners in the rooting of cuttings in a gel. Then, quite suddenly, it blew over and if you now talk about it in a garden centre, you are confronted with an uncomprehending gaze from the attendant. I experimented with it in a small way and was quite successful, achieving something like 70% success rate in the cuttings I tried. It was a neat way of avoiding having to see to the proper watering of the cuttings, and it made it possible to see the development of the roots without having to upset the cuttings in any way. Why has the concept disappeared from the scene? What was the gel which was used? plant gel see http://www.plantgel.com/ ignore the God Bless America stuff.......... Thanks for the URL. However, in the meantime, I have used Google to discover that there is still a kit available in the UK. It got quite a good write-up in the June issue of the RHS journal. It is called "Gel2root", and is available from Fothergills. The gel contains both a rooting agent and a sterilising agent. I have ordered a trial pack and will report when I have some results. Most kids put it on their hair nowadays :-( -- Martin |
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Kay Easton wrote in message ...
In article , Michael Berridge writes Chris Hogg wrote in message ... Apologies for coming in late to this thread, but has anyone tried using those water-retaining gel granules as a rooting medium (after they've been well soaked, of course)? I would think they might be ideal, holding lots of water but allowing air to circulate in the spaces between. You would not want air to circulate round the developing roots. they need to be in contact with moisture all the time. Do they, though? I was reading an article recently which said that, contrary to previous belief, seeds and seedlings took in more water from the air spaces between the soil than from the soil itself. So might not the same hold true for cuttings? And don't most people add sand to the rooting compost - not to hold water, but to give air spaces? I dunno - I don't go in for cuttings. Im trying some cuttings in the water retaining gel granules at the moment, just some tangerine sage and some pinks. So far after 5 days they seem to be ok, I will post any results. Mark |
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"Mark Fawcett" wrote in message om... : Kay Easton wrote in message ... : In article , Michael : Berridge writes : : Chris Hogg wrote in message : ... : Apologies for coming in late to this thread, but has anyone tried : using those water-retaining gel granules as a rooting medium (after : they've been well soaked, of course)? I would think they might be : ideal, holding lots of water but allowing air to circulate in the : spaces between. : : You would not want air to circulate round the developing roots. they : need to be in contact with moisture all the time. : : Do they, though? I was reading an article recently which said that, : contrary to previous belief, seeds and seedlings took in more water from : the air spaces between the soil than from the soil itself. So might not : the same hold true for cuttings? : : And don't most people add sand to the rooting compost - not to hold : water, but to give air spaces? : : I dunno - I don't go in for cuttings. : : Im trying some cuttings in the water retaining gel granules at the : moment, just some tangerine sage and some pinks. So far after 5 days : they seem to be ok, I will post any results. : : Mark Is it a special gel for this purpose - if so what is the brand name - or is it just the gel that is used for pots, hanging baskets, etc for water retention? Sorry if this has been mentioned earlier, but I have just come into this thread. K |
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In article , tracey
writes I have used this rooting gel for awhile now and have successfully rooted geranium, fushia, Though that isn't a great test of its efficacy - geraniums and fuchsias will root in anything. Even I can get them to go ;-) I should think any softwood stem would work. Its so easy to use and theres the added bonus of watching the roots form. Only one draw back its not cheap stuff :-( -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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"Mark Fawcett" wrote in message om... Kay Easton wrote in message ... In article , Michael Berridge writes Chris Hogg wrote in message ... Apologies for coming in late to this thread, but has anyone tried using those water-retaining gel granules as a rooting medium (after they've been well soaked, of course)? I would think they might be ideal, holding lots of water but allowing air to circulate in the spaces between. You would not want air to circulate round the developing roots. they need to be in contact with moisture all the time. Do they, though? I was reading an article recently which said that, contrary to previous belief, seeds and seedlings took in more water from the air spaces between the soil than from the soil itself. So might not the same hold true for cuttings? And don't most people add sand to the rooting compost - not to hold water, but to give air spaces? I dunno - I don't go in for cuttings. Im trying some cuttings in the water retaining gel granules at the moment, just some tangerine sage and some pinks. So far after 5 days they seem to be ok, I will post any results. Did you use rooting powder/liquid and did you use a sterilising agent on the cuttings? I look forward to hearing how it goes. Franz Mark |
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