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On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 11:11:30 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
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On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 07:08:32 +0100, "JennyC" =
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Curious as i am, I tried to go to alt.binaries.pictures.gardens, =
but
it does
not appear on my list (via News.CIS.DFN.DE)

I know a lot of URGlers use the same server. How do you access
alt.bin..........?

Freeserve carry it

So does Zetnet.

which offers free virus deletion on server, as you probably know?

Yes. We do get to notice such benefits, especially as many of us use a
system of downloaded (and uploaded) packets for offline processing. You
tend to get a bit ipssde-fof if you receive twenty or thirty Svens in a
download innit.

Only 20 or 30? I am down to around 50 from about 150-200 a day. Swens
that is.
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Yes. We do get to notice such benefits, especially as many of us use a
system of downloaded (and uploaded) packets for offline processing. You
tend to get a bit ipssde-fof if you receive twenty or thirty Svens in a
download innit.

Only 20 or 30? I am down to around 50 from about 150-200 a day. Swens
that is.

Haven't seen one for - well, actually, I don't think I've seen one of
them at all - I think the rot was stopped before that particular beauty
was released into the wild.

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On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 18:34:26 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
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Yes. We do get to notice such benefits, especially as many of us use =
a
system of downloaded (and uploaded) packets for offline processing. =
You
tend to get a bit ipssde-fof if you receive twenty or thirty Svens in=
a
download innit.

Only 20 or 30? I am down to around 50 from about 150-200 a day. Swens
that is.

Haven't seen one for - well, actually, I don't think I've seen one of
them at all - I think the rot was stopped before that particular beauty
was released into the wild.

How do you mean? Franz and I have both been plagued with them, as have
most of my colleagues. I think it's probably the nastiest yet.
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On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 18:34:26 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
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The message
from martin contains these words:

Yes. We do get to notice such benefits, especially as many of us use a
system of downloaded (and uploaded) packets for offline processing. You
tend to get a bit ipssde-fof if you receive twenty or thirty Svens in a
download innit.

Only 20 or 30? I am down to around 50 from about 150-200 a day. Swens
that is.

Haven't seen one for - well, actually, I don't think I've seen one of
them at all - I think the rot was stopped before that particular beauty
was released into the wild.

How do you mean? Franz and I have both been plagued with them, as have
most of my colleagues. I think it's probably the nastiest yet.

Our ISP kills them as they arrive on the server.

I was getting twenty or thirty a day of the first worm, then a certain
boffin wrote a filter and zapped them on arrival.

Zetnuts no longer get any.

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On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 00:47:40 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote:

How do you mean? Franz and I have both been plagued with them, as have
most of my colleagues. I think it's probably the nastiest yet.

Our ISP kills them as they arrive on the server.

I was getting twenty or thirty a day of the first worm, then a certain
boffin wrote a filter and zapped them on arrival.

So do most ISPs, if you are aware they offer the service and ask for
it.
I think all the ISPs are using the same tool.=20


Zetnuts no longer get any.

How have they managed to do that?=20
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On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 00:47:40 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote:

How do you mean? Franz and I have both been plagued with them, as have
most of my colleagues. I think it's probably the nastiest yet.

Our ISP kills them as they arrive on the server.

I was getting twenty or thirty a day of the first worm, then a certain
boffin wrote a filter and zapped them on arrival.

So do most ISPs, if you are aware they offer the service and ask for
it.
I think all the ISPs are using the same tool.

I don't. Not unless our boffin has shared his codes. This was done
in-house, and PDQ. ISTR it was promised 'soon - tomorrow if you're
lucky' or similar. However, the flow suddenly stopped a couple of hours
later.


Zetnuts no longer get any.

How have they managed to do that?

Wodjer mean? They're killed as they hit the mail servers, so Zetnuts -
that's us - don't have the pleasure of seeing them pile up in our
mailboxen.

Not only that, but for those of us connoisseurs who use Zetnets
homebrewed software, ZIMACS, it's extremely difficult to contract a
virus, worm or Trojan through mail anyway. Indeed, you have to be
extremely gullible or mindbogglingly stupid unwittingly to activate one.

In this I don't include the one or two Zetnuts who regularly Wumpus
their HDDs and ran the thing out of curiosity.

HTH

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On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 09:49:50 GMT, Anthony Anson
wrote:

The message
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On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 00:47:40 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote:

How do you mean? Franz and I have both been plagued with them, as have
most of my colleagues. I think it's probably the nastiest yet.

Our ISP kills them as they arrive on the server.

I was getting twenty or thirty a day of the first worm, then a certain
boffin wrote a filter and zapped them on arrival.

So do most ISPs, if you are aware they offer the service and ask for
it.
I think all the ISPs are using the same tool.

I don't. Not unless our boffin has shared his codes.

or made use of somebody else's?

This was done
in-house, and PDQ. ISTR it was promised 'soon - tomorrow if you're
lucky' or similar. However, the flow suddenly stopped a couple of hours
later.

It existed sometime ago elsewhere. It would be amazing if somebody in
house was to implement something from scratch that was readily
available elsewhere.



Zetnuts no longer get any.

How have they managed to do that?

Wodjer mean? They're killed as they hit the mail servers, so Zetnuts -
that's us - don't have the pleasure of seeing them pile up in our
mailboxen.

I thought he was referring to the ISP, not the users.


Not only that, but for those of us connoisseurs who use Zetnets
homebrewed software, ZIMACS, it's extremely difficult to contract a
virus, worm or Trojan through mail anyway. Indeed, you have to be
extremely gullible or mindbogglingly stupid unwittingly to activate one.

Oddly enough this also applies to users, who have never heard of
Zetnets. I would use the word "ignorant", rather than insult average
users.

You will be telling us next that Zetnet also identifies and tags
e-mail Spam too.


In this I don't include the one or two Zetnuts who regularly Wumpus
their HDDs and ran the thing out of curiosity.

HTH

I didn't really need any :-)
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The message
from martin contains these words:

I think all the ISPs are using the same tool.

I don't. Not unless our boffin has shared his codes.

or made use of somebody else's?

Nope. I know exactly what he did, but am not shouting it out for fear of
some little infective oik getting to hear.

This was done
in-house, and PDQ. ISTR it was promised 'soon - tomorrow if you're
lucky' or similar. However, the flow suddenly stopped a couple of hours
later.

It existed sometime ago elsewhere. It would be amazing if somebody in
house was to implement something from scratch that was readily
available elsewhere.

That depends on

a) how much it cost, and
b) on the implementer
c) just how good it was
d) and just how good a programmer he is. He is. And formidably bright -
you can read by the light of his proximity.

Zetnuts no longer get any.

How have they managed to do that?

Wodjer mean? They're killed as they hit the mail servers, so Zetnuts -
that's us - don't have the pleasure of seeing them pile up in our
mailboxen.

I thought he was referring to the ISP, not the users.

He? *NOW* who / what are we talking about?


Not only that, but for those of us connoisseurs who use Zetnets
homebrewed software, ZIMACS, it's extremely difficult to contract a
virus, worm or Trojan through mail anyway. Indeed, you have to be
extremely gullible or mindbogglingly stupid unwittingly to activate one.

Oddly enough this also applies to users, who have never heard of
Zetnets. I would use the word "ignorant", rather than insult average
users.

You will be telling us next that Zetnet also identifies and tags
e-mail Spam too.


In this I don't include the one or two Zetnuts who regularly Wumpus
their HDDs and ran the thing out of curiosity.

HTH

I didn't really need any :-)

Anyone who isn't a Zetnut needs some, if only to direct him to www.zetnet.com

--
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http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

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On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:26:46 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote:

The message
from martin contains these words:

I think all the ISPs are using the same tool.

I don't. Not unless our boffin has shared his codes.

or made use of somebody else's?

Nope. I know exactly what he did, but am not shouting it out for fear of
some little infective oik getting to hear.

I think most people managed to kill Swen. If I wasn't an Agent user I
could have done it on the server.


This was done
in-house, and PDQ. ISTR it was promised 'soon - tomorrow if you're
lucky' or similar. However, the flow suddenly stopped a couple of hours
later.

It existed sometime ago elsewhere. It would be amazing if somebody in
house was to implement something from scratch that was readily
available elsewhere.

That depends on

a) how much it cost, and
b) on the implementer
c) just how good it was
d) and just how good a programmer he is. He is. And formidably bright -
you can read by the light of his proximity.

Are you talking about Swen or a normal antivirus running on the ISP's
server?

Zetnuts no longer get any.

How have they managed to do that?

Wodjer mean? They're killed as they hit the mail servers, so Zetnuts -
that's us - don't have the pleasure of seeing them pile up in our
mailboxen.

I thought he was referring to the ISP, not the users.

He? *NOW* who / what are we talking about?

You!



Not only that, but for those of us connoisseurs who use Zetnets
homebrewed software, ZIMACS, it's extremely difficult to contract a
virus, worm or Trojan through mail anyway. Indeed, you have to be
extremely gullible or mindbogglingly stupid unwittingly to activate one.

Oddly enough this also applies to users, who have never heard of
Zetnets. I would use the word "ignorant", rather than insult average
users.

You will be telling us next that Zetnet also identifies and tags
e-mail Spam too.

Well does it?



In this I don't include the one or two Zetnuts who regularly Wumpus
their HDDs and ran the thing out of curiosity.

HTH

I didn't really need any :-)

Anyone who isn't a Zetnut needs some, if only to direct him to www.zetnet.com

It's not the only good ISP in the world.
--
Martin

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"Anthony Anson" wrote in message
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[snip]

Wodjer mean? They're killed as they hit the mail servers, so Zetnuts -
that's us - don't have the pleasure of seeing them pile up in our
mailboxen.

That sounds very dangerous. What guarantee do you have that you are not
losing good stuff?

[snip]

Franz

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"martin" wrote in message
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On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 09:49:50 GMT, Anthony Anson
wrote:

[snip]

This was done
in-house, and PDQ. ISTR it was promised 'soon - tomorrow if you're
lucky' or similar. However, the flow suddenly stopped a couple of hours
later.

It existed sometime ago elsewhere. It would be amazing if somebody in
house was to implement something from scratch that was readily
available elsewhere.

And even more amazing if they really did it in a couple of hours.

Franz

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Nope. I know exactly what he did, but am not shouting it out for fear of
some little infective oik getting to hear.

I think most people managed to kill Swen. If I wasn't an Agent user I
could have done it on the server.

Automatically?


This was done
in-house, and PDQ. ISTR it was promised 'soon - tomorrow if you're
lucky' or similar. However, the flow suddenly stopped a couple of hours
later.

It existed sometime ago elsewhere. It would be amazing if somebody in
house was to implement something from scratch that was readily
available elsewhere.

That depends on

a) how much it cost, and
b) on the implementer
c) just how good it was
d) and just how good a programmer he is. He is. And formidably bright -
you can read by the light of his proximity.

Are you talking about Swen or a normal antivirus running on the ISP's
server?

I'm talking about the latest rash of worms and Trojans.


Zetnuts no longer get any.

How have they managed to do that?

Wodjer mean? They're killed as they hit the mail servers, so Zetnuts -
that's us - don't have the pleasure of seeing them pile up in our
mailboxen.

I thought he was referring to the ISP, not the users.

He? *NOW* who / what are we talking about?

You!

So whom are you addressing?

Does not compute.

/snip/

You will be telling us next that Zetnet also identifies and tags
e-mail Spam too.

Well does it?

I told you befo it's a criminal act to interfere with
e-communications without the consent of both the recipient and the
sender.

In this I don't include the one or two Zetnuts who regularly Wumpus
their HDDs and ran the thing out of curiosity.

HTH

I didn't really need any :-)

Anyone who isn't a Zetnut needs some, if only to direct him to
www.zetnet.com

It's not the only good ISP in the world.

No, but it compares very favourably with any other I've come across,
which is why I've stayed with them for more than seven years.

And, be it said, never found the need to subscribe to any other.

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http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

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"martin" wrote in message
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On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 09:49:50 GMT, Anthony Anson
wrote:

[snip]

This was done
in-house, and PDQ. ISTR it was promised 'soon - tomorrow if you're
lucky' or similar. However, the flow suddenly stopped a couple of hours
later.

It existed sometime ago elsewhere. It would be amazing if somebody in
house was to implement something from scratch that was readily
available elsewhere.

And even more amazing if they really did it in a couple of hours.

No. Just knowing what to do and how to do it.

--
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http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

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"Anthony Anson" wrote in message
...

[snip]

Wodjer mean? They're killed as they hit the mail servers, so Zetnuts -
that's us - don't have the pleasure of seeing them pile up in our
mailboxen.

That sounds very dangerous. What guarantee do you have that you are not
losing good stuff?

How much good stuff comes with a virus attached?

Personally, I'd prefer the unlikely risk of losing the odd e-mail with
an innocently passed-on virus than use up my online time allocation with
several half-hour downloads a day of stuff I'll only delete.

--
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"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message
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[snip]

I told you befo it's a criminal act to interfere with
e-communications without the consent of both the recipient and the
sender.

Then my ISP is a criminal. He is interfering with the spam which is
intended for me. I asked him to do so, but I am as certain as I can be that
he did not ask the spammers for their permission to interfere on my behalf.
He has succeeded in reducing the spam I receive in my inbox to between 1 and
2% of what it used to be. He has also succeded in removing Swen-like
attacks to zero.

Franz