Anyone care to make a guess at the name of a very deep pink - almost red -
double Camellia currently flowering in my mother's Guernsey garden? We've
asked for cuttings from it later but nobody seems to have a clue as to name.
Armed with a few suggestions, some books and Google imaging, we might be
able to track it down. ;-) TIA.
--

Sacha
(remove the 'x' to email me)

"Sacha" wrote in message ...
Anyone care to make a guess at the name of a very deep pink - almost red -
double Camellia currently flowering in my mother's Guernsey garden? We've
asked for cuttings from it later but nobody seems to have a clue as to
name.
Armed with a few suggestions, some books and Google imaging, we might be
able to track it down. ;-) TIA.

If it's a true double, how about "Sparkling Burgandy" ?

--
Regards
Bob

Use a useful Screen Saver...
http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
and find intelligent life amongst the stars
343 data units completed.

Bob Hobden4/12/03 10:15


"Sacha" wrote in message ...
Anyone care to make a guess at the name of a very deep pink - almost red -
double Camellia currently flowering in my mother's Guernsey garden? We've
asked for cuttings from it later but nobody seems to have a clue as to
name.
Armed with a few suggestions, some books and Google imaging, we might be
able to track it down. ;-) TIA.

If it's a true double, how about "Sparkling Burgandy" ?

Thanks, Bob but that's too light a pink. This was very deep in colour. I'm
guessing that it's quite an old one but I'll try to check that out tomorrow.
--

Sacha
(remove the 'x' to email me)

Don't know if this links will be of any use
http://www.camellias-acs.com/Gallery/Gallery_Home.html

What about sending a flower to the RHS herbarium?

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk
***2004 catalogue now available***

David Hill4/12/03 11:46

Don't know if this links will be of any use
http://www.camellias-acs.com/Gallery/Gallery_Home.html

What about sending a flower to the RHS herbarium?

Good idea. It won't be up to me but I'll try to get it organised. Thanks,
David.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the 'x' to email me)

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:26:27 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

Anyone care to make a guess at the name of a very deep pink - almost red -
double Camellia currently flowering in my mother's Guernsey garden? We've
asked for cuttings from it later but nobody seems to have a clue as to name.
Armed with a few suggestions, some books and Google imaging, we might be
able to track it down. ;-) TIA.

Jennifer Trehane's recent book* has a list of C. sasanquas, but
nothing really matches your description. The nearest is 'Crimson
King', medium to large semi-double, deep crimson with golden stamens,
but it sounds too red to me.

Rosea plena is probably an early variety.

The following site has 1300 images of camellias, but it's not
searchable by description. http://www.ykanda.jp/camellia.html
The sasanquas are about two thirds of the way down the list, and not
all are named. Also plenty of links to other camellia sites.


*Camellias, Batsford, 1998. Did I say recent? Time flies!


--
Chris

E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net

Chris Hogg5/12/03 7:28

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:26:27 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

Anyone care to make a guess at the name of a very deep pink - almost red -
double Camellia currently flowering in my mother's Guernsey garden? We've
asked for cuttings from it later but nobody seems to have a clue as to name.
Armed with a few suggestions, some books and Google imaging, we might be
able to track it down. ;-) TIA.

Jennifer Trehane's recent book* has a list of C. sasanquas, but
nothing really matches your description. The nearest is 'Crimson
King', medium to large semi-double, deep crimson with golden stamens,
but it sounds too red to me.

Rosea plena is probably an early variety.

The following site has 1300 images of camellias, but it's not
searchable by description. http://www.ykanda.jp/camellia.html
The sasanquas are about two thirds of the way down the list, and not
all are named. Also plenty of links to other camellia sites.


*Camellias, Batsford, 1998. Did I say recent? Time flies!

In my case, it's jet-propelled. But thank you for all the above. I'll dig
around a bit more. My mother, who loves her garden but is not a gardener,
cant remember its name so we'll probably have to wait a bit for cuttings,
the cuttings to take, and then to flower etc. etc. ;-) C. sasanqua is
early, of course but this struck us as both *very* early and generously
flowering.
--

Sacha
(remove the 'x' to email me)

"Sacha" wrote in message
In my case, it's jet-propelled. But thank you for all the above. I'll
dig
around a bit more. My mother, who loves her garden but is not a gardener,
cant remember its name so we'll probably have to wait a bit for cuttings,
the cuttings to take, and then to flower etc. etc. ;-) C. sasanqua is
early, of course but this struck us as both *very* early and generously
flowering.

I might add I saw two white ones flowering at Kew on Wednesday last.

--
Regards
Bob

Use a useful Screen Saver...
http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
and find intelligent life amongst the stars
343 data units completed.

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 23:32:49 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

C. sasanqua is early, of course but this struck us as both *very* early and generously flowering.


I assume you're certain about it being a C. sasanqua. We have C.jap.
Lavinia Maggi in flower ATM, and I know of a couple of specimens of
C.jap. High Hat that have been in flower since early November!


--
Chris

E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net

Bob Hobden6/12/03 5:21


"Sacha" wrote in message
In my case, it's jet-propelled. But thank you for all the above. I'll
dig
around a bit more. My mother, who loves her garden but is not a gardener,
cant remember its name so we'll probably have to wait a bit for cuttings,
the cuttings to take, and then to flower etc. etc. ;-) C. sasanqua is
early, of course but this struck us as both *very* early and generously
flowering.

I might add I saw two white ones flowering at Kew on Wednesday last.

We have a young C. s. Narumi Gata (sp?) and you've reminded me to check on
that tomorrow! Thank you.
--

Sacha
(remove the 'x' to email me)

Chris Hogg6/12/03 5:55

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 23:32:49 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

C. sasanqua is early, of course but this struck us as both *very* early and
generously flowering.


I assume you're certain about it being a C. sasanqua. We have C.jap.
Lavinia Maggi in flower ATM, and I know of a couple of specimens of
C.jap. High Hat that have been in flower since early November!


How annoying of you! I thought I had it pegged but ...... but
back to the drawing board. Could you tell me where you live (by email, if
you prefer)
Where Camellias are concerned, I am certain about *nothing*. I had an ex
father in law who was big fan of Camellias and grew them extensively and a
friend of his was Vi Lort-Phillips, an ex Pres of the Camellia Society (?)
Anything I wanted to know, I just asked them - made me very lazy. ;-(
Sorry!
--

Sacha
(remove the 'x' to email me)

On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 18:36:04 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

How annoying of you! I thought I had it pegged but ...... but
back to the drawing board. Could you tell me where you live (by email, if
you prefer)
Where Camellias are concerned, I am certain about *nothing*. I had an ex
father in law who was big fan of Camellias and grew them extensively and a
friend of his was Vi Lort-Phillips, an ex Pres of the Camellia Society (?)
Anything I wanted to know, I just asked them - made me very lazy. ;-(
Sorry!

Sorry to be a pain, but I just wanted to make the point (which you
took) that it's not only sasanquas that may be in flower now,
especially in milder areas and this year. We live in the far west of
Cornwall, on the coast between Marazion and Helston, so very mild, and
certainly not typical of the UK in general. But the Channel Isles
would also be mild, I presume. Admittedly, our Lavinia Maggi has only
two flowers ATM, but the High Hat I was referring to is in my mother's
garden, only a few miles from us. It must be just about going over by
now. High Hat is an early flowerer, but I think this year things are
unusually advanced. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the NT
properties around here open early, otherwise the camellias will be
over.

Sasanqua camellias have quite small leaves, three to four centimeters
long, (say one to two inches). The leaf tips may be pointed or may be
blunt, and the leaf margins are finely serrated. They do flower early,
as you say, in autumn even. The flowers are five to seven centimeters
(say two to three inches) in diameter, carried on the tips of the
shoots, usually with six to eight petals. They have a distinctive
scent, but tend only to last three or four days before falling.

C. hiemalis and c. vernalis are versions of c. sasanqua that may be
hybrids with c. japonica or may be species in their own right. As the
names imply, the former is winter flowering, and the latter spring
flowering. C. hiemalis Dazzler is described in an old Trehane's
catalogue that I have as brilliant rose-red with fan-shaped branches.
There's an image of the flower at
http://www.bestgardening.com/bgc/gar...engarden01.htm

C. vernalis Hiryu (aka Kanjiro), is upright, bushy with double flowers
variously described as deep crimson rose or deep rose red. Another c.
vernalis is Yuletide, upright and dense with very dark green leaves.
The flowers are described as brilliant red, but I'm not sure if
they're single or double.

Incidentally, most of the above was cribbed from Jennifer Trehane's
book! I'm no expert in my own right, although I do have a number of
camellias. If you do get a flower from your mother, I would suggest
Trehane's at Wimborne or Burncoose nurseries at Redruth might be good
places to get it identified.


--
Chris

E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net

Chris Hogg7/12/03 6:14

On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 18:36:04 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

How annoying of you! I thought I had it pegged but ...... but
back to the drawing board. Could you tell me where you live (by email, if
you prefer)
Where Camellias are concerned, I am certain about *nothing*. I had an ex
father in law who was big fan of Camellias and grew them extensively and a
friend of his was Vi Lort-Phillips, an ex Pres of the Camellia Society (?)
Anything I wanted to know, I just asked them - made me very lazy. ;-(
Sorry!

Sorry to be a pain, but I just wanted to make the point (which you
took) that it's not only sasanquas that may be in flower now,
especially in milder areas and this year.
snip of very useful info, which I've filed!
Incidentally, most of the above was cribbed from Jennifer Trehane's
book! I'm no expert in my own right, although I do have a number of
camellias. If you do get a flower from your mother, I would suggest
Trehane's at Wimborne or Burncoose nurseries at Redruth might be good
places to get it identified.

Thank you for all this. AND, while we're about it - today, Ray planted a
few Camellias which we got from a specialist a year or three ago (we don't
make a big thing out of selling Camellias, if only because everyone else
does ;-) and he can't remember which they are. The leaves are very
interesting. They're serrated, almost like holly leaves and have three
'fingers' at the end. The serration might suggest a C japonica? But the
three fingers are something I've never seen before. Does that ring a bell
with you? I *think* he got them from the chap who grows Camellias over
towards Slapton but I'm not certain about that.


--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the 'x' to email me)

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 18:42:32 +0000, Sacha
wrote:


Thank you for all this. AND, while we're about it - today, Ray planted a
few Camellias which we got from a specialist a year or three ago (we don't
make a big thing out of selling Camellias, if only because everyone else
does ;-) and he can't remember which they are. The leaves are very
interesting. They're serrated, almost like holly leaves and have three
'fingers' at the end. The serration might suggest a C japonica? But the
three fingers are something I've never seen before. Does that ring a bell
with you? I *think* he got them from the chap who grows Camellias over
towards Slapton but I'm not certain about that.

The best I can do is c. jap. 'holly bright'. Described as light red
semi-double, leaves serrated and holly-like, flower petals creped with
serrated edges. The 'three fingers' bit has me puzzled though. Never
come across anything like that before. Perhaps they're just
exaggerated serrations.


--
Chris

E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net

Chris Hogg8/12/03 7:40

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 18:42:32 +0000, Sacha
wrote:


Thank you for all this. AND, while we're about it - today, Ray planted a
few Camellias which we got from a specialist a year or three ago (we don't
make a big thing out of selling Camellias, if only because everyone else
does ;-) and he can't remember which they are. The leaves are very
interesting. They're serrated, almost like holly leaves and have three
'fingers' at the end. The serration might suggest a C japonica? But the
three fingers are something I've never seen before. Does that ring a bell
with you? I *think* he got them from the chap who grows Camellias over
towards Slapton but I'm not certain about that.

The best I can do is c. jap. 'holly bright'. Described as light red
semi-double, leaves serrated and holly-like, flower petals creped with
serrated edges. The 'three fingers' bit has me puzzled though. Never
come across anything like that before. Perhaps they're just
exaggerated serrations.

Thanks, Chris but these are quite definitely three 'lobes' in the end of
each leaf. Ray now tells me that I am wrong and that they came originally
from Agatha Christie's garden's nursery, Greenways, so a bit of digging
through our old files *might* identify it. I'll post on it again, if we
find out more.
--

Sacha
(remove the 'x' to email me)