Please, please let me in to the secret world of grafting!

I recently started to add some new trees to my small stock list and some are grafted (Paul's Scarlet Hawthorns, for instance) twice. The first graft is as it should be, at the base. But on some there is a second, new graft at the top on the main leader. The trees are 6 to 8 feet tall and the second graft is a couple of feet from the tip of the tallest part. What's it for?

My other question is how do I start some Paul's Scarlet off on my own rootstock? I've never grafted before, so read up a bit and all I know is to use some strong rootstock (in this case plain hawthorn?) and the Paul's Scarlet is coming from a large shrub at the back of my house that looks very healthy. Am I too late to cut from the PS now? I read that the two should be put together just before leaf break on the rootstock, but it didn't say what binding to use and I'm wondering what everyone else uses?

Advice, please, as it all seems very scientific to me!

"Hazell B" wrote in message
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Please, please let me in to the secret world of grafting!

I recently started to add some new trees to my small stock list and
some are grafted (Paul's Scarlet Hawthorns, for instance) twice. The
first graft is as it should be, at the base. But on some there is a
second, new graft at the top on the main leader. The trees are 6 to 8
feet tall and the second graft is a couple of feet from the tip of the
tallest part. What's it for?

My other question is how do I start some Paul's Scarlet off on my own
rootstock? I've never grafted before, so read up a bit and all I know
is to use some strong rootstock (in this case plain hawthorn?)

I have severe doubts whether a rose scion grafted on to a hawthorn stock
would take.
Paul's Scarlet *cuttings* take very well. Take half a dozen cuttings about
6" long from healthy young growth on the plant and plant them firmly about
3" deep into the open ground on a day when the soil is not frozen. (Some
rooting hormone might be helpful). Leave them there untouched until you see
new growth appearing. Then decide what you want to do with them, and do it.
The cuttings can all come from a single long stem if you wish. Just make
sure that the end which gets buried is cut cleanly exactly at a node.

and the
Paul's Scarlet is coming from a large shrub at the back of my house
that looks very healthy. Am I too late to cut from the PS now?

Almost, but not quite. It is worth having a bash with cuttings as I
described above.

I read
that the two should be put together just before leaf break on the
rootstock, but it didn't say what binding to use and I'm wondering what
everyone else uses?

Advice, please, as it all seems very scientific to me!

Franz

"Franz Heymann" wrote in news:buk4i0$85j
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My other question is how do I start some Paul's Scarlet off on my own
rootstock? I've never grafted before, so read up a bit and all I know
is to use some strong rootstock (in this case plain hawthorn?)

I have severe doubts whether a rose scion grafted on to a hawthorn stock
would take.

I think Hazell means Crataegus laevigata "Paul's Scarlet", the hawthorn
with double red flowers. Not the rose of the same name.

Victoria
--
gardening on a north-facing hill
in South-East Cornwall
--

"Franz Heymann" wrote in news:buk4i0$85j
:

My other question is how do I start some Paul's Scarlet off on my own
rootstock? I've never grafted before, so read up a bit and all I know
is to use some strong rootstock (in this case plain hawthorn?)

I have severe doubts whether a rose scion grafted on to a hawthorn stock
would take.

I think Hazell means Crataegus laevigata "Paul's Scarlet", the hawthorn
with double red flowers. Not the rose of the same name.

Victoria
--
gardening on a north-facing hill
in South-East Cornwall
--

"Victoria Clare" wrote in message
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"Franz Heymann" wrote in
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:

My other question is how do I start some Paul's Scarlet off on my own
rootstock? I've never grafted before, so read up a bit and all I know
is to use some strong rootstock (in this case plain hawthorn?)

I have severe doubts whether a rose scion grafted on to a hawthorn stock
would take.

I think Hazell means Crataegus laevigata "Paul's Scarlet", the hawthorn
with double red flowers. Not the rose of the same name.

I feel sure you must be right. The question makes much more sene that way.
In that case, none of what I said would be relevant.
I do hope Hazell has not by now cut "long shoots" from her hawthorn.
{:-((

Franz

"Victoria Clare" wrote in message
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"Franz Heymann" wrote in
news:buk4i0$85j
:

My other question is how do I start some Paul's Scarlet off on my own
rootstock? I've never grafted before, so read up a bit and all I know
is to use some strong rootstock (in this case plain hawthorn?)

I have severe doubts whether a rose scion grafted on to a hawthorn stock
would take.

I think Hazell means Crataegus laevigata "Paul's Scarlet", the hawthorn
with double red flowers. Not the rose of the same name.

I feel sure you must be right. The question makes much more sene that way.
In that case, none of what I said would be relevant.
I do hope Hazell has not by now cut "long shoots" from her hawthorn.
{:-((

Franz

"Victoria Clare" wrote in message
. 240.23...
"Franz Heymann" wrote in
news:buk4i0$85j
:

My other question is how do I start some Paul's Scarlet off on my own
rootstock? I've never grafted before, so read up a bit and all I know
is to use some strong rootstock (in this case plain hawthorn?)

I have severe doubts whether a rose scion grafted on to a hawthorn stock
would take.

I think Hazell means Crataegus laevigata "Paul's Scarlet", the hawthorn
with double red flowers. Not the rose of the same name.

I feel sure you must be right. The question makes much more sene that way.
In that case, none of what I said would be relevant.
I do hope Hazell has not by now cut "long shoots" from her hawthorn.
{:-((

Franz

"Victoria Clare" wrote in message
. 240.23...
"Franz Heymann" wrote in
news:buk4i0$85j
:

My other question is how do I start some Paul's Scarlet off on my own
rootstock? I've never grafted before, so read up a bit and all I know
is to use some strong rootstock (in this case plain hawthorn?)

I have severe doubts whether a rose scion grafted on to a hawthorn stock
would take.

I think Hazell means Crataegus laevigata "Paul's Scarlet", the hawthorn
with double red flowers. Not the rose of the same name.

I feel sure you must be right. The question makes much more sene that way.
In that case, none of what I said would be relevant.
I do hope Hazell has not by now cut "long shoots" from her hawthorn.
{:-((

Franz

Don't worry, I realised you'd misread the first post and was on the rose of the same name. Yes, it is Paul's Scarlet hawthorn I'm aiming to try with.

As it happens, the rose advice will come in handy anyway, so thanks for that!

Back to the original question, then. I'm still no wiser. What's needed is a grafting lesson for the slow of thinking!