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"Neil wrote in message I'm redesigning my back garden at the moment and my thoughts have turned to lighting. I would like to illuminate the terrace which is just to the rear of the house, but also I'm considering some path lighting and maybe some accent lighting to highlight specimen trees, planting groups etc. This would mainly be for use during the summer but occasionally we would switch the lights on at other times, for effect. I live in a rural village so I'm conscious of light pollution and don't really want to brighten the night sky which could affect other locals. I'll discuss my plans with my neighbours before I go ahead but I have a number of questions initially:- What is best practice regarding this kind of lighting? Mains voltage, low voltage or a mixture? Is this a daft idea and I should forget about it? We have had low voltage garden lighting on automatic control for years. You can install a low voltage system yourself easily but to use mains voltage you would need the expertise of an experienced and qualified electrician. Disadvantages with low voltage (24v) are that you can only put so many lights on each transformer so for a lot of lights you would need more than one system or obtain a more power transformer. Try talking to your local proper electrical supplies co. the sort of place electricians go to get their stuff. Don't bother with Garden Centres or Sheds. -- Regards Bob Use a useful Screen Saver... http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ and find intelligent life amongst the stars |
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"Neil wrote in message I'm redesigning my back garden at the moment and my thoughts have turned to lighting. I would like to illuminate the terrace which is just to the rear of the house, but also I'm considering some path lighting and maybe some accent lighting to highlight specimen trees, planting groups etc. This would mainly be for use during the summer but occasionally we would switch the lights on at other times, for effect. I live in a rural village so I'm conscious of light pollution and don't really want to brighten the night sky which could affect other locals. I'll discuss my plans with my neighbours before I go ahead but I have a number of questions initially:- What is best practice regarding this kind of lighting? Mains voltage, low voltage or a mixture? Is this a daft idea and I should forget about it? We have had low voltage garden lighting on automatic control for years. You can install a low voltage system yourself easily but to use mains voltage you would need the expertise of an experienced and qualified electrician. Disadvantages with low voltage (24v) are that you can only put so many lights on each transformer so for a lot of lights you would need more than one system or obtain a more power transformer. Try talking to your local proper electrical supplies co. the sort of place electricians go to get their stuff. Don't bother with Garden Centres or Sheds. -- Regards Bob Use a useful Screen Saver... http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ and find intelligent life amongst the stars |
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Good questions. Re light pollution avoidance, don't use up-lights on trees and
stuff. Much of the light goes straight into the sky. Lots of resources available at http://www.dark-skies.org/ Specifically, advice from the The Institution of Lighting Engineers, available at http://www.star.le.ac.uk/~dbl/cfds/ile-gd-e.htm Regards Edwin Bath. ------- Neil Jones wrote: ... I'm redesigning my back garden at the moment and my thoughts have turned to lighting. I would like to illuminate the terrace which is just to the rear of the house, but also I'm considering some path lighting and maybe some accent lighting to highlight specimen trees, planting groups etc. This would mainly be for use during the summer but occasionally we would switch the lights on at other times, for effect. I live in a rural village so I'm conscious of light pollution and don't really want to brighten the night sky which could affect other locals. ... |
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from "Neil Jones" contains these words: I live in a rural village so I'm conscious of light pollution and don't really want to brighten the night sky which could affect other locals. I'll discuss my plans with my neighbours before I go ahead but I have a number of questions initially:- What is best practice regarding this kind of lighting? Mains voltage, low voltage or a mixture? Is this a daft idea and I should forget about it? Have you thought about those individual solar-powered units? Most garden centres and many DIY shops stock them. They give enough light to see the paths by, and any hedgehogs, cats or whatnot, waiting to trip you up. Light pollution isn't an issue with these.... -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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The message
from "Neil Jones" contains these words: I live in a rural village so I'm conscious of light pollution and don't really want to brighten the night sky which could affect other locals. I'll discuss my plans with my neighbours before I go ahead but I have a number of questions initially:- What is best practice regarding this kind of lighting? Mains voltage, low voltage or a mixture? Is this a daft idea and I should forget about it? Have you thought about those individual solar-powered units? Most garden centres and many DIY shops stock them. They give enough light to see the paths by, and any hedgehogs, cats or whatnot, waiting to trip you up. Light pollution isn't an issue with these.... -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message ... The message from "Neil Jones" contains these words: I live in a rural village so I'm conscious of light pollution and don't really want to brighten the night sky which could affect other locals. I'll discuss my plans with my neighbours before I go ahead but I have a number of questions initially:- What is best practice regarding this kind of lighting? Mains voltage, low voltage or a mixture? Is this a daft idea and I should forget about it? Have you thought about those individual solar-powered units? Most garden centres and many DIY shops stock them. They give enough light to see the paths by, and any hedgehogs, cats or whatnot, waiting to trip you up. Light pollution isn't an issue with these.... -- Hmm, yes. I was given some of these a couple of years ago. Very little light output indeed. I could use them to light the path, as you say, but not much else :-) Neil |
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"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message ... The message from "Neil Jones" contains these words: I live in a rural village so I'm conscious of light pollution and don't really want to brighten the night sky which could affect other locals. I'll discuss my plans with my neighbours before I go ahead but I have a number of questions initially:- What is best practice regarding this kind of lighting? Mains voltage, low voltage or a mixture? Is this a daft idea and I should forget about it? Have you thought about those individual solar-powered units? Most garden centres and many DIY shops stock them. They give enough light to see the paths by, and any hedgehogs, cats or whatnot, waiting to trip you up. Light pollution isn't an issue with these.... -- Hmm, yes. I was given some of these a couple of years ago. Very little light output indeed. I could use them to light the path, as you say, but not much else :-) Neil |
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"Edwin Spector" wrote in message ... Good questions. Re light pollution avoidance, don't use up-lights on trees and stuff. Much of the light goes straight into the sky. Lots of resources available at http://www.dark-skies.org/ Specifically, advice from the The Institution of Lighting Engineers, available at http://www.star.le.ac.uk/~dbl/cfds/ile-gd-e.htm Regards Edwin Bath. ------- Thanks, I'll have look at their recommendations. Neil |
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"Edwin Spector" wrote in message ... Good questions. Re light pollution avoidance, don't use up-lights on trees and stuff. Much of the light goes straight into the sky. Lots of resources available at http://www.dark-skies.org/ Specifically, advice from the The Institution of Lighting Engineers, available at http://www.star.le.ac.uk/~dbl/cfds/ile-gd-e.htm Regards Edwin Bath. ------- Thanks, I'll have look at their recommendations. Neil |
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"Bob Hobden" wrote in message ... "Neil wrote in message I'm redesigning my back garden at the moment and my thoughts have turned to lighting. I would like to illuminate the terrace which is just to the rear of the house, but also I'm considering some path lighting and maybe some accent lighting to highlight specimen trees, planting groups etc. This would mainly be for use during the summer but occasionally we would switch the lights on at other times, for effect. I live in a rural village so I'm conscious of light pollution and don't really want to brighten the night sky which could affect other locals. I'll discuss my plans with my neighbours before I go ahead but I have a number of questions initially:- What is best practice regarding this kind of lighting? Mains voltage, low voltage or a mixture? Is this a daft idea and I should forget about it? We have had low voltage garden lighting on automatic control for years. You can install a low voltage system yourself easily but to use mains voltage you would need the expertise of an experienced and qualified electrician. Disadvantages with low voltage (24v) are that you can only put so many lights on each transformer so for a lot of lights you would need more than one system or obtain a more power transformer. Try talking to your local proper electrical supplies co. the sort of place electricians go to get their stuff. Don't bother with Garden Centres or Sheds. OK, low voltage in the garden makes sense. Presumably I can use mains voltage fittings attached to the house to iluminate the terrace. I had a look at TLC but very little on there, really. Is this a niche market (ie expensive)? Thanks Neil |
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"Bob Hobden" wrote in message ... "Neil wrote in message I'm redesigning my back garden at the moment and my thoughts have turned to lighting. I would like to illuminate the terrace which is just to the rear of the house, but also I'm considering some path lighting and maybe some accent lighting to highlight specimen trees, planting groups etc. This would mainly be for use during the summer but occasionally we would switch the lights on at other times, for effect. I live in a rural village so I'm conscious of light pollution and don't really want to brighten the night sky which could affect other locals. I'll discuss my plans with my neighbours before I go ahead but I have a number of questions initially:- What is best practice regarding this kind of lighting? Mains voltage, low voltage or a mixture? Is this a daft idea and I should forget about it? We have had low voltage garden lighting on automatic control for years. You can install a low voltage system yourself easily but to use mains voltage you would need the expertise of an experienced and qualified electrician. Disadvantages with low voltage (24v) are that you can only put so many lights on each transformer so for a lot of lights you would need more than one system or obtain a more power transformer. Try talking to your local proper electrical supplies co. the sort of place electricians go to get their stuff. Don't bother with Garden Centres or Sheds. OK, low voltage in the garden makes sense. Presumably I can use mains voltage fittings attached to the house to iluminate the terrace. I had a look at TLC but very little on there, really. Is this a niche market (ie expensive)? Thanks Neil |
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On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 16:36:46 -0000, "Neil Jones"
wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message ... The message from "Neil Jones" contains these words: I live in a rural village so I'm conscious of light pollution and don't really want to brighten the night sky which could affect other locals. I'll discuss my plans with my neighbours before I go ahead but I have a number of questions initially:- What is best practice regarding this kind of lighting? Mains voltage, low voltage or a mixture? Is this a daft idea and I should forget about it? Have you thought about those individual solar-powered units? Most garden centres and many DIY shops stock them. They give enough light to see the paths by, and any hedgehogs, cats or whatnot, waiting to trip you up. Light pollution isn't an issue with these.... -- Hmm, yes. I was given some of these a couple of years ago. Very little light output indeed. I could use them to light the path, as you say, but not much else :-) The rechargeable batteries in them soon died too. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 16:36:46 -0000, "Neil Jones"
wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message ... The message from "Neil Jones" contains these words: I live in a rural village so I'm conscious of light pollution and don't really want to brighten the night sky which could affect other locals. I'll discuss my plans with my neighbours before I go ahead but I have a number of questions initially:- What is best practice regarding this kind of lighting? Mains voltage, low voltage or a mixture? Is this a daft idea and I should forget about it? Have you thought about those individual solar-powered units? Most garden centres and many DIY shops stock them. They give enough light to see the paths by, and any hedgehogs, cats or whatnot, waiting to trip you up. Light pollution isn't an issue with these.... -- Hmm, yes. I was given some of these a couple of years ago. Very little light output indeed. I could use them to light the path, as you say, but not much else :-) The rechargeable batteries in them soon died too. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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"Neil Jones" wrote in message ... I've cross posted this to uk.rec.gardening and uk.d-i-y because I believe it's on topic for both groups. I'm redesigning my back garden at the moment and my thoughts have turned to lighting. I would like to illuminate the terrace which is just to the rear of the house, but also I'm considering some path lighting and maybe some accent lighting to highlight specimen trees, planting groups etc. This would mainly be for use during the summer but occasionally we would switch the lights on at other times, for effect. I live in a rural village so I'm conscious of light pollution and don't really want to brighten the night sky which could affect other locals. I'll discuss my plans with my neighbours before I go ahead but I have a number of questions initially:- What is best practice regarding this kind of lighting? Mains voltage, low voltage or a mixture? I favour mains voltage, which is perfectly safe if you follow the correct wiring practices and protect the circuit with a 30mA RCD or RCBO (dearer but only one circuit trips at a time). I find that low voltage lamps don't seem to have much of a life expectancy. However, I would consider some of the solar powered LED lamps for path edge markers. They don't give much light, but do show you where the path is. My favourite light for something like your terrace is a low energy floodlamp, made for commercial sign illumination, which I buy from Newey & Eyre. They use 2 x 9W (or 4 x 9W, also 4 x 9W with an integral photocell) lamps in a floodlight format, with very good cut-off characteristics, so you don't get light spill where you don't want it. Mounted below eye level, one of those washes the ground with light, which allows you to see to walk over quite a large area. Mounted high, you get can a good area illumination from one. For accent lighting, I suggest low energy bulkhead lights. I use those quite a lot outside and, if I don't want the light going in a particular direction from one, I coat the relevant bit of the inside of the cover with a metallic spray paint. The main thing to remember is that outside, you need very little light to be able to see quite well, so don't overdo the amount of lighting. Colin Bignell |
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"Neil Jones" wrote in message ... I've cross posted this to uk.rec.gardening and uk.d-i-y because I believe it's on topic for both groups. I'm redesigning my back garden at the moment and my thoughts have turned to lighting. I would like to illuminate the terrace which is just to the rear of the house, but also I'm considering some path lighting and maybe some accent lighting to highlight specimen trees, planting groups etc. This would mainly be for use during the summer but occasionally we would switch the lights on at other times, for effect. I live in a rural village so I'm conscious of light pollution and don't really want to brighten the night sky which could affect other locals. I'll discuss my plans with my neighbours before I go ahead but I have a number of questions initially:- What is best practice regarding this kind of lighting? Mains voltage, low voltage or a mixture? I favour mains voltage, which is perfectly safe if you follow the correct wiring practices and protect the circuit with a 30mA RCD or RCBO (dearer but only one circuit trips at a time). I find that low voltage lamps don't seem to have much of a life expectancy. However, I would consider some of the solar powered LED lamps for path edge markers. They don't give much light, but do show you where the path is. My favourite light for something like your terrace is a low energy floodlamp, made for commercial sign illumination, which I buy from Newey & Eyre. They use 2 x 9W (or 4 x 9W, also 4 x 9W with an integral photocell) lamps in a floodlight format, with very good cut-off characteristics, so you don't get light spill where you don't want it. Mounted below eye level, one of those washes the ground with light, which allows you to see to walk over quite a large area. Mounted high, you get can a good area illumination from one. For accent lighting, I suggest low energy bulkhead lights. I use those quite a lot outside and, if I don't want the light going in a particular direction from one, I coat the relevant bit of the inside of the cover with a metallic spray paint. The main thing to remember is that outside, you need very little light to be able to see quite well, so don't overdo the amount of lighting. Colin Bignell |
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"nightjar .uk.com" nightjar@insert_my_surname_here wrote in message .. . "Neil Jones" wrote in message ... I've cross posted this to uk.rec.gardening and uk.d-i-y because I believe it's on topic for both groups. I'm redesigning my back garden at the moment and my thoughts have turned to lighting. I would like to illuminate the terrace which is just to the rear of the house, but also I'm considering some path lighting and maybe some accent lighting to highlight specimen trees, planting groups etc. This would mainly be for use during the summer but occasionally we would switch the lights on at other times, for effect. I live in a rural village so I'm conscious of light pollution and don't really want to brighten the night sky which could affect other locals. I'll discuss my plans with my neighbours before I go ahead but I have a number of questions initially:- What is best practice regarding this kind of lighting? Mains voltage, low voltage or a mixture? I favour mains voltage, which is perfectly safe if you follow the correct wiring practices and protect the circuit with a 30mA RCD or RCBO (dearer but only one circuit trips at a time). I find that low voltage lamps don't seem to have much of a life expectancy. However, I would consider some of the solar powered LED lamps for path edge markers. They don't give much light, but do show you where the path is. My favourite light for something like your terrace is a low energy floodlamp, made for commercial sign illumination, which I buy from Newey & Eyre. They use 2 x 9W (or 4 x 9W, also 4 x 9W with an integral photocell) lamps in a floodlight format, with very good cut-off characteristics, so you don't get light spill where you don't want it. Mounted below eye level, one of those washes the ground with light, which allows you to see to walk over quite a large area. Mounted high, you get can a good area illumination from one. Colin I'm also looking for some lighting like this, do you know the manufacturer ?, I can't find a Newey & Eyre website (that works) ? Chris For accent lighting, I suggest low energy bulkhead lights. I use those quite a lot outside and, if I don't want the light going in a particular direction from one, I coat the relevant bit of the inside of the cover with a metallic spray paint. The main thing to remember is that outside, you need very little light to be able to see quite well, so don't overdo the amount of lighting. Colin Bignell |
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"nightjar .uk.com" nightjar@insert_my_surname_here wrote in message .. . "Neil Jones" wrote in message ... I've cross posted this to uk.rec.gardening and uk.d-i-y because I believe it's on topic for both groups. I'm redesigning my back garden at the moment and my thoughts have turned to lighting. I would like to illuminate the terrace which is just to the rear of the house, but also I'm considering some path lighting and maybe some accent lighting to highlight specimen trees, planting groups etc. This would mainly be for use during the summer but occasionally we would switch the lights on at other times, for effect. I live in a rural village so I'm conscious of light pollution and don't really want to brighten the night sky which could affect other locals. I'll discuss my plans with my neighbours before I go ahead but I have a number of questions initially:- What is best practice regarding this kind of lighting? Mains voltage, low voltage or a mixture? I favour mains voltage, which is perfectly safe if you follow the correct wiring practices and protect the circuit with a 30mA RCD or RCBO (dearer but only one circuit trips at a time). I find that low voltage lamps don't seem to have much of a life expectancy. However, I would consider some of the solar powered LED lamps for path edge markers. They don't give much light, but do show you where the path is. My favourite light for something like your terrace is a low energy floodlamp, made for commercial sign illumination, which I buy from Newey & Eyre. They use 2 x 9W (or 4 x 9W, also 4 x 9W with an integral photocell) lamps in a floodlight format, with very good cut-off characteristics, so you don't get light spill where you don't want it. Mounted below eye level, one of those washes the ground with light, which allows you to see to walk over quite a large area. Mounted high, you get can a good area illumination from one. Colin I'm also looking for some lighting like this, do you know the manufacturer ?, I can't find a Newey & Eyre website (that works) ? Chris For accent lighting, I suggest low energy bulkhead lights. I use those quite a lot outside and, if I don't want the light going in a particular direction from one, I coat the relevant bit of the inside of the cover with a metallic spray paint. The main thing to remember is that outside, you need very little light to be able to see quite well, so don't overdo the amount of lighting. Colin Bignell |
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"Neil Jones" wrote in message ... I've cross posted this to uk.rec.gardening and uk.d-i-y because I believe it's on topic for both groups. I'm redesigning my back garden at the moment and my thoughts have turned to lighting. I would like to illuminate the terrace which is just to the rear of the house, but also I'm considering some path lighting and maybe some accent lighting to highlight specimen trees, planting groups etc. This would mainly be for use during the summer but occasionally we would switch the lights on at other times, for effect. I live in a rural village so I'm conscious of light pollution and don't really want to brighten the night sky which could affect other locals. I'll discuss my plans with my neighbours before I go ahead but I have a number of questions initially:- What is best practice regarding this kind of lighting? Mains voltage, low voltage or a mixture? I favour mains voltage, which is perfectly safe if you follow the correct wiring practices and protect the circuit with a 30mA RCD or RCBO (dearer but only one circuit trips at a time). I find that low voltage lamps don't seem to have much of a life expectancy. However, I would consider some of the solar powered LED lamps for path edge markers. They don't give much light, but do show you where the path is. My favourite light for something like your terrace is a low energy floodlamp, made for commercial sign illumination, which I buy from Newey & Eyre. They use 2 x 9W (or 4 x 9W, also 4 x 9W with an integral photocell) lamps in a floodlight format, with very good cut-off characteristics, so you don't get light spill where you don't want it. Mounted below eye level, one of those washes the ground with light, which allows you to see to walk over quite a large area. Mounted high, you get can a good area illumination from one. For accent lighting, I suggest low energy bulkhead lights. I use those quite a lot outside and, if I don't want the light going in a particular direction from one, I coat the relevant bit of the inside of the cover with a metallic spray paint. The main thing to remember is that outside, you need very little light to be able to see quite well, so don't overdo the amount of lighting. Colin Bignell |
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Jaques d'Alltrades wrote in message ...
Have you thought about those individual solar-powered units? Most garden centres and many DIY shops stock them. They give enough light to see the paths by, and any hedgehogs, cats or whatnot, waiting to trip you up. Light pollution isn't an issue with these.... I gather that light isnt much of an issue with them either. Regards, NT |
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Jaques d'Alltrades wrote in message ...
Have you thought about those individual solar-powered units? Most garden centres and many DIY shops stock them. They give enough light to see the paths by, and any hedgehogs, cats or whatnot, waiting to trip you up. Light pollution isn't an issue with these.... I gather that light isnt much of an issue with them either. Regards, NT |
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"Neil Jones" wrote in message ...
I've cross posted this to uk.rec.gardening and uk.d-i-y because I believe it's on topic for both groups. I'm redesigning my back garden at the moment and my thoughts have turned to lighting. I would like to illuminate the terrace which is just to the rear of the house, but also I'm considering some path lighting and maybe some accent lighting to highlight specimen trees, planting groups etc. This would mainly be for use during the summer but occasionally we would switch the lights on at other times, for effect. I live in a rural village so I'm conscious of light pollution and don't really want to brighten the night sky which could affect other locals. I'll discuss my plans with my neighbours before I go ahead but I have a number of questions initially:- What is best practice regarding this kind of lighting? Mains voltage, low voltage or a mixture? Is this a daft idea and I should forget about it? Many thanks Neil Well, some good qs. Firstly light pollution: its a relevant but overused term. Sending light up into the sky is wasteful, but 'pollution' is really a misnomer. If vast amounts of light are sent upwards, it reduces visibility a bit for astronomers. Hardly what one would seriously call pollution, but waste. The prime way to do this is to put uplighters under tree canopies. With full canopies there will be almost no light escape upwards, with thin canopies there will be some, but frankly its all fairly trivial. Equally one can put small CFLs in among shrubs bushes etc to light them up nicely. Very low powers work well. Mains or LT? It basically comes down to total project cost, what you can do safely, and reliability. Mains lighting has fault modes that render it unusable, whereas with an LT system those fault modes just wouldnt be a problem. OTOH CFLs are normally found as mains voltage. 12v lights will normally be halogen or fluorescent. 12v CFLs do exist, but expect to pay much more for them, and have to search to find them. For see your way round lighting, several small low level lights are good. One big high up downlighter works but doesnt look good, and gobbles power. CFLs and fluorecsents are the most efficient, but perform poorly in the depths of winter unless you get tubes specifically intended for cold working. Outdoor lighting is much more fault prone than indoor, as it lives in a far harsher environment, so I would recommend putting the lights on several switches, so that a fault only takes out a percentage of them, not the lot. If you buy decorative garden lights, you can usually add some reflector pieces and cut the bulb power right back for the same amount of wanted lighting. They are often not well designed in that respect. Also never use steel screws in outdoor fittings: substitute plastic ones, as long as they dont heat up, or wire ties, etc. Regards, NT |
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On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 20:07:04 -0000, in uk.d-i-y "Chris and Patsy"
strung together this: My favourite light for something like your terrace is a low energy floodlamp, made for commercial sign illumination, which I buy from Newey & Eyre. They use 2 x 9W (or 4 x 9W, also 4 x 9W with an integral photocell) lamps in a floodlight format, with very good cut-off characteristics, so you don't get light spill where you don't want it. Mounted below eye level, one of those washes the ground with light, which allows you to see to walk over quite a large area. Mounted high, you get can a good area illumination from one. Colin I'm also looking for some lighting like this, do you know the manufacturer ?, I can't find a Newey & Eyre website (that works) ? Have a look here, on page 27. Most wholesalers will do something similar. Most probably these exact ones actually. http://www.greenbrook.co.uk/lightcat.pdf Or the PW range on this page. http://tinyurl.com/2fshk -- SJW A.C.S. Ltd. |
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"Neil Jones" wrote in message ...
I've cross posted this to uk.rec.gardening and uk.d-i-y because I believe it's on topic for both groups. I'm redesigning my back garden at the moment and my thoughts have turned to lighting. I would like to illuminate the terrace which is just to the rear of the house, but also I'm considering some path lighting and maybe some accent lighting to highlight specimen trees, planting groups etc. This would mainly be for use during the summer but occasionally we would switch the lights on at other times, for effect. I live in a rural village so I'm conscious of light pollution and don't really want to brighten the night sky which could affect other locals. I'll discuss my plans with my neighbours before I go ahead but I have a number of questions initially:- What is best practice regarding this kind of lighting? Mains voltage, low voltage or a mixture? Is this a daft idea and I should forget about it? Many thanks Neil Well, some good qs. Firstly light pollution: its a relevant but overused term. Sending light up into the sky is wasteful, but 'pollution' is really a misnomer. If vast amounts of light are sent upwards, it reduces visibility a bit for astronomers. Hardly what one would seriously call pollution, but waste. The prime way to do this is to put uplighters under tree canopies. With full canopies there will be almost no light escape upwards, with thin canopies there will be some, but frankly its all fairly trivial. Equally one can put small CFLs in among shrubs bushes etc to light them up nicely. Very low powers work well. Mains or LT? It basically comes down to total project cost, what you can do safely, and reliability. Mains lighting has fault modes that render it unusable, whereas with an LT system those fault modes just wouldnt be a problem. OTOH CFLs are normally found as mains voltage. 12v lights will normally be halogen or fluorescent. 12v CFLs do exist, but expect to pay much more for them, and have to search to find them. For see your way round lighting, several small low level lights are good. One big high up downlighter works but doesnt look good, and gobbles power. CFLs and fluorecsents are the most efficient, but perform poorly in the depths of winter unless you get tubes specifically intended for cold working. Outdoor lighting is much more fault prone than indoor, as it lives in a far harsher environment, so I would recommend putting the lights on several switches, so that a fault only takes out a percentage of them, not the lot. If you buy decorative garden lights, you can usually add some reflector pieces and cut the bulb power right back for the same amount of wanted lighting. They are often not well designed in that respect. Also never use steel screws in outdoor fittings: substitute plastic ones, as long as they dont heat up, or wire ties, etc. Regards, NT |
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On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 20:07:04 -0000, in uk.d-i-y "Chris and Patsy"
strung together this: My favourite light for something like your terrace is a low energy floodlamp, made for commercial sign illumination, which I buy from Newey & Eyre. They use 2 x 9W (or 4 x 9W, also 4 x 9W with an integral photocell) lamps in a floodlight format, with very good cut-off characteristics, so you don't get light spill where you don't want it. Mounted below eye level, one of those washes the ground with light, which allows you to see to walk over quite a large area. Mounted high, you get can a good area illumination from one. Colin I'm also looking for some lighting like this, do you know the manufacturer ?, I can't find a Newey & Eyre website (that works) ? Have a look here, on page 27. Most wholesalers will do something similar. Most probably these exact ones actually. http://www.greenbrook.co.uk/lightcat.pdf Or the PW range on this page. http://tinyurl.com/2fshk -- SJW A.C.S. Ltd. |
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Neil Jones wrote:
I've cross posted this to uk.rec.gardening and uk.d-i-y because I believe it's on topic for both groups. I'm redesigning my back garden at the moment and my thoughts have turned to lighting. I would like to illuminate the terrace which is just to the rear of the house, but also I'm considering some path lighting and maybe some accent lighting to highlight specimen trees, planting groups etc. This would mainly be for use during the summer but occasionally we would switch the lights on at other times, for effect. I live in a rural village so I'm conscious of light pollution and don't really want to brighten the night sky which could affect other locals. I'll discuss my plans with my neighbours before I go ahead but I have a number of questions initially:- What is best practice regarding this kind of lighting? Somethiung that your neighbours can take out with a .22 air rifle. Some ******t has ruined a lisetd building rtound here by lettong an architect loose: His garden resembles tescos car park under floodlights, with weird modern scultures dotted around like giant turds. You can no longer see teh stars, all you can see is this gahsltly glow in the sky. Fortunately I have a friend with a rabbit rifle. One fine night...and the next door place burnt almost down a few years back... Mains voltage, low voltage or a mixture? Is this a daft idea and I should forget about it? Many thanks Neil |
Garden lighting (cross posted)
On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:28:30 -0000, "Neil Jones"
wrote: I live in a rural village so I'm conscious of light pollution and don't really want to brighten the night sky which could affect other locals. I'll discuss my plans with my neighbours before I go ahead but I have a number of questions initially:- What is best practice regarding this kind of lighting? In a rural area? - just don't do it. Just my 2p worth. Rod Weed my email address to reply http://website.lineone.net/~rodcraddock/index.html |
Garden lighting (cross posted)
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Garden lighting (cross posted)
"nightjar .uk.com" nightjar@insert_my_surname_here wrote in message .. . "Neil Jones" wrote in message ... I've cross posted this to uk.rec.gardening and uk.d-i-y because I believe it's on topic for both groups. I'm redesigning my back garden at the moment and my thoughts have turned to lighting. I would like to illuminate the terrace which is just to the rear of the house, but also I'm considering some path lighting and maybe some accent lighting to highlight specimen trees, planting groups etc. This would mainly be for use during the summer but occasionally we would switch the lights on at other times, for effect. I live in a rural village so I'm conscious of light pollution and don't really want to brighten the night sky which could affect other locals. I'll discuss my plans with my neighbours before I go ahead but I have a number of questions initially:- What is best practice regarding this kind of lighting? Mains voltage, low voltage or a mixture? I favour mains voltage, which is perfectly safe if you follow the correct wiring practices and protect the circuit with a 30mA RCD or RCBO (dearer but only one circuit trips at a time). I find that low voltage lamps don't seem to have much of a life expectancy. However, I would consider some of the solar powered LED lamps for path edge markers. They don't give much light, but do show you where the path is. My favourite light for something like your terrace is a low energy floodlamp, made for commercial sign illumination, which I buy from Newey & Eyre. They use 2 x 9W (or 4 x 9W, also 4 x 9W with an integral photocell) lamps in a floodlight format, with very good cut-off characteristics, so you don't get light spill where you don't want it. Mounted below eye level, one of those washes the ground with light, which allows you to see to walk over quite a large area. Mounted high, you get can a good area illumination from one. Colin I'm also looking for some lighting like this, do you know the manufacturer ?, I can't find a Newey & Eyre website (that works) ? Chris For accent lighting, I suggest low energy bulkhead lights. I use those quite a lot outside and, if I don't want the light going in a particular direction from one, I coat the relevant bit of the inside of the cover with a metallic spray paint. The main thing to remember is that outside, you need very little light to be able to see quite well, so don't overdo the amount of lighting. Colin Bignell |
Garden lighting (cross posted)
Neil Jones wrote:
I've cross posted this to uk.rec.gardening and uk.d-i-y because I believe it's on topic for both groups. I'm redesigning my back garden at the moment and my thoughts have turned to lighting. I would like to illuminate the terrace which is just to the rear of the house, but also I'm considering some path lighting and maybe some accent lighting to highlight specimen trees, planting groups etc. This would mainly be for use during the summer but occasionally we would switch the lights on at other times, for effect. I live in a rural village so I'm conscious of light pollution and don't really want to brighten the night sky which could affect other locals. I'll discuss my plans with my neighbours before I go ahead but I have a number of questions initially:- What is best practice regarding this kind of lighting? Somethiung that your neighbours can take out with a .22 air rifle. Some ******t has ruined a lisetd building rtound here by lettong an architect loose: His garden resembles tescos car park under floodlights, with weird modern scultures dotted around like giant turds. You can no longer see teh stars, all you can see is this gahsltly glow in the sky. Fortunately I have a friend with a rabbit rifle. One fine night...and the next door place burnt almost down a few years back... Mains voltage, low voltage or a mixture? Is this a daft idea and I should forget about it? Many thanks Neil |
Garden lighting (cross posted)
Jaques d'Alltrades wrote in message ...
Have you thought about those individual solar-powered units? Most garden centres and many DIY shops stock them. They give enough light to see the paths by, and any hedgehogs, cats or whatnot, waiting to trip you up. Light pollution isn't an issue with these.... I gather that light isnt much of an issue with them either. Regards, NT |
Garden lighting (cross posted)
"Neil Jones" wrote in message ...
I've cross posted this to uk.rec.gardening and uk.d-i-y because I believe it's on topic for both groups. I'm redesigning my back garden at the moment and my thoughts have turned to lighting. I would like to illuminate the terrace which is just to the rear of the house, but also I'm considering some path lighting and maybe some accent lighting to highlight specimen trees, planting groups etc. This would mainly be for use during the summer but occasionally we would switch the lights on at other times, for effect. I live in a rural village so I'm conscious of light pollution and don't really want to brighten the night sky which could affect other locals. I'll discuss my plans with my neighbours before I go ahead but I have a number of questions initially:- What is best practice regarding this kind of lighting? Mains voltage, low voltage or a mixture? Is this a daft idea and I should forget about it? Many thanks Neil Well, some good qs. Firstly light pollution: its a relevant but overused term. Sending light up into the sky is wasteful, but 'pollution' is really a misnomer. If vast amounts of light are sent upwards, it reduces visibility a bit for astronomers. Hardly what one would seriously call pollution, but waste. The prime way to do this is to put uplighters under tree canopies. With full canopies there will be almost no light escape upwards, with thin canopies there will be some, but frankly its all fairly trivial. Equally one can put small CFLs in among shrubs bushes etc to light them up nicely. Very low powers work well. Mains or LT? It basically comes down to total project cost, what you can do safely, and reliability. Mains lighting has fault modes that render it unusable, whereas with an LT system those fault modes just wouldnt be a problem. OTOH CFLs are normally found as mains voltage. 12v lights will normally be halogen or fluorescent. 12v CFLs do exist, but expect to pay much more for them, and have to search to find them. For see your way round lighting, several small low level lights are good. One big high up downlighter works but doesnt look good, and gobbles power. CFLs and fluorecsents are the most efficient, but perform poorly in the depths of winter unless you get tubes specifically intended for cold working. Outdoor lighting is much more fault prone than indoor, as it lives in a far harsher environment, so I would recommend putting the lights on several switches, so that a fault only takes out a percentage of them, not the lot. If you buy decorative garden lights, you can usually add some reflector pieces and cut the bulb power right back for the same amount of wanted lighting. They are often not well designed in that respect. Also never use steel screws in outdoor fittings: substitute plastic ones, as long as they dont heat up, or wire ties, etc. Regards, NT |
Garden lighting (cross posted)
On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:28:30 -0000, "Neil Jones"
wrote: I live in a rural village so I'm conscious of light pollution and don't really want to brighten the night sky which could affect other locals. I'll discuss my plans with my neighbours before I go ahead but I have a number of questions initially:- What is best practice regarding this kind of lighting? In a rural area? - just don't do it. Just my 2p worth. Rod Weed my email address to reply http://website.lineone.net/~rodcraddock/index.html |
Garden lighting (cross posted)
On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 20:07:04 -0000, in uk.d-i-y "Chris and Patsy"
strung together this: My favourite light for something like your terrace is a low energy floodlamp, made for commercial sign illumination, which I buy from Newey & Eyre. They use 2 x 9W (or 4 x 9W, also 4 x 9W with an integral photocell) lamps in a floodlight format, with very good cut-off characteristics, so you don't get light spill where you don't want it. Mounted below eye level, one of those washes the ground with light, which allows you to see to walk over quite a large area. Mounted high, you get can a good area illumination from one. Colin I'm also looking for some lighting like this, do you know the manufacturer ?, I can't find a Newey & Eyre website (that works) ? Have a look here, on page 27. Most wholesalers will do something similar. Most probably these exact ones actually. http://www.greenbrook.co.uk/lightcat.pdf Or the PW range on this page. http://tinyurl.com/2fshk -- SJW A.C.S. Ltd. |
Garden lighting (cross posted)
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Garden lighting (cross posted)
Neil Jones wrote:
I've cross posted this to uk.rec.gardening and uk.d-i-y because I believe it's on topic for both groups. I'm redesigning my back garden at the moment and my thoughts have turned to lighting. I would like to illuminate the terrace which is just to the rear of the house, but also I'm considering some path lighting and maybe some accent lighting to highlight specimen trees, planting groups etc. This would mainly be for use during the summer but occasionally we would switch the lights on at other times, for effect. I live in a rural village so I'm conscious of light pollution and don't really want to brighten the night sky which could affect other locals. I'll discuss my plans with my neighbours before I go ahead but I have a number of questions initially:- What is best practice regarding this kind of lighting? Somethiung that your neighbours can take out with a .22 air rifle. Some ******t has ruined a lisetd building rtound here by lettong an architect loose: His garden resembles tescos car park under floodlights, with weird modern scultures dotted around like giant turds. You can no longer see teh stars, all you can see is this gahsltly glow in the sky. Fortunately I have a friend with a rabbit rifle. One fine night...and the next door place burnt almost down a few years back... Mains voltage, low voltage or a mixture? Is this a daft idea and I should forget about it? Many thanks Neil |
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from (N. Thornton) contains these words: Well, some good qs. Firstly light pollution: its a relevant but overused term. Sending light up into the sky is wasteful, but 'pollution' is really a misnomer. If vast amounts of light are sent upwards, it reduces visibility a bit for astronomers. Hardly what one would seriously call pollution, but waste. I'd call it pollution. Waste as well, but the main objection is the local (and when a lot of people carelessly beam light upwards, general) masking of the sky at night. IMO a very selfish and inconsiderate way to act. It doesn't reduce visibility 'a bit', but has caused observatories to pack their bags and move. I had an eleven-year-old staying with me in rural Norfolk some years ago. He came from Greater London, and had NEVER seen the stars. His wonder at the firmament was magical. The prime way to do this is to put uplighters under tree canopies. With full canopies there will be almost no light escape upwards, with thin canopies there will be some, but frankly its all fairly trivial. It depends where your neighbours are, and whether they are inconvenienced by it when you make judgements on whether it's trivial or not. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
Garden lighting (cross posted)
On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:28:30 -0000, "Neil Jones"
wrote: I live in a rural village so I'm conscious of light pollution and don't really want to brighten the night sky which could affect other locals. I'll discuss my plans with my neighbours before I go ahead but I have a number of questions initially:- What is best practice regarding this kind of lighting? In a rural area? - just don't do it. Just my 2p worth. Rod Weed my email address to reply http://website.lineone.net/~rodcraddock/index.html |
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Garden lighting (cross posted)
The message
from (N. Thornton) contains these words: Well, some good qs. Firstly light pollution: its a relevant but overused term. Sending light up into the sky is wasteful, but 'pollution' is really a misnomer. If vast amounts of light are sent upwards, it reduces visibility a bit for astronomers. Hardly what one would seriously call pollution, but waste. I'd call it pollution. Waste as well, but the main objection is the local (and when a lot of people carelessly beam light upwards, general) masking of the sky at night. IMO a very selfish and inconsiderate way to act. It doesn't reduce visibility 'a bit', but has caused observatories to pack their bags and move. I had an eleven-year-old staying with me in rural Norfolk some years ago. He came from Greater London, and had NEVER seen the stars. His wonder at the firmament was magical. The prime way to do this is to put uplighters under tree canopies. With full canopies there will be almost no light escape upwards, with thin canopies there will be some, but frankly its all fairly trivial. It depends where your neighbours are, and whether they are inconvenienced by it when you make judgements on whether it's trivial or not. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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