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Sorry to piggy back but I seem to have a memory of
palm trees growing in Scotland does anyone have a
link for where these are grown ?

Cordyline australis aka "Torbay palm" or"Cabbage palm" can be seen in
gardens on the mild west coast from Galloway to Ullapoole. Chusan palm
also grows here but isn't quite so common.

Janet.

Janet,

There are a few palm trees growing in gardens here in Dunbar, East
coast of Scotland. Not known as "Sunny Dunny" for nothing! Cordyline
australis is growing fast and furious in a container in my own garden,

regards,

David

"Janet Baraclough.." wrote in message
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The message
from "soup" contains these words:

Sorry to piggy back but I seem to have a memory of
palm trees growing in Scotland does anyone have a
link for where these are grown ?

Cordyline australis aka "Torbay palm" or"Cabbage palm" can be seen in
gardens on the mild west coast from Galloway to Ullapoole. Chusan palm
also grows here but isn't quite so common.

Janet.

But in order for them to grow in Scotland you have to put Edward Woodward in
a Wicker Man and set fire to him.

Steve
(Sorry, it's just occured to me that only people of a certain age will know
what I'm on about!)

But in order for them to grow in Scotland you have to put Edward Woodward in
a Wicker Man and set fire to him.

Steve
(Sorry, it's just occured to me that only people of a certain age will know
what I'm on about!)

wrote in message
...
But in order for them to grow in Scotland you have to put Edward Woodward
in
a Wicker Man and set fire to him.

Steve
(Sorry, it's just occured to me that only people of a certain age will
know
what I'm on about!)

I dunno - I don't think I'm of that certain age you speak of but I saw The
Wicker Man on tv not so long back. I reckon "film fan" might be a more
likely criteria than "of a certain age". :-)

I am thirty one, btw - now you're going to tell me that *is* of the "certain
age" you spoke of !

I saw palm trees around and about Langholm a couple of weeks ago (don't
remember exactly where they were though !) But I can also tell you that, in
an unrelated tangent, they grow in certain places in Brighton on the beach.
In a pot set in the ground, I shouldn't wonder.



Rachael

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But in order for them to grow in Scotland you have to put Edward Woodward
in
a Wicker Man and set fire to him.

Steve
(Sorry, it's just occured to me that only people of a certain age will
know
what I'm on about!)

I dunno - I don't think I'm of that certain age you speak of but I saw The
Wicker Man on tv not so long back. I reckon "film fan" might be a more
likely criteria than "of a certain age". :-)

I am thirty one, btw - now you're going to tell me that *is* of the "certain
age" you spoke of !

I saw palm trees around and about Langholm a couple of weeks ago (don't
remember exactly where they were though !) But I can also tell you that, in
an unrelated tangent, they grow in certain places in Brighton on the beach.
In a pot set in the ground, I shouldn't wonder.



Rachael

In article ,
"Rachael of Nex, the Wiccan Rat" writes:
|
| I saw palm trees around and about Langholm a couple of weeks ago (don't
| remember exactly where they were though !) But I can also tell you that, in
| an unrelated tangent, they grow in certain places in Brighton on the beach.
| In a pot set in the ground, I shouldn't wonder.

There are a few species of palm that are hardy enough to grow in
the warmest parts of the UK, and Brighton beach counts. If we
have a winter such as was common 25 years back, a lot of them
will die. If we have another 1962/3, even more will.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

In article ,
"Rachael of Nex, the Wiccan Rat" writes:
|
| I saw palm trees around and about Langholm a couple of weeks ago (don't
| remember exactly where they were though !) But I can also tell you that, in
| an unrelated tangent, they grow in certain places in Brighton on the beach.
| In a pot set in the ground, I shouldn't wonder.

There are a few species of palm that are hardy enough to grow in
the warmest parts of the UK, and Brighton beach counts. If we
have a winter such as was common 25 years back, a lot of them
will die. If we have another 1962/3, even more will.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

In message , Anne Jackson
writes
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from (Mike Lyle) contains these words:

I remember that, too, when staying with the Tibetans, Lockerbie way.

ITYM Eskdalemuir?


That sounds like the one - Samye Ling it used to be called - when I went
there to stay in its early days (1974/5)

Very peaceful. Wonderful setting.

--
regards andyw

In message , Anne Jackson
writes
The message
from (Mike Lyle) contains these words:

I remember that, too, when staying with the Tibetans, Lockerbie way.

ITYM Eskdalemuir?


That sounds like the one - Samye Ling it used to be called - when I went
there to stay in its early days (1974/5)

Very peaceful. Wonderful setting.

--
regards andyw

Janet Baraclough.. wrote:
The message
from "soup" contains these words:


Sorry to piggy back but I seem to have a memory of
palm trees growing in Scotland does anyone have a
link for where these are grown ?


Cordyline australis aka "Torbay palm" or"Cabbage palm" can be seen in
gardens on the mild west coast from Galloway to Ullapoole. Chusan palm
also grows here but isn't quite so common.

Janet.

pedant mode
ermm, Cordyline australis isn't a palm, despite the rather midleading
common name.
/pedant mode

Trachycarpus fortunei and Chamaerops humilis seem to be cropping up all
over the place now, and T fortunei seems pretty difficult to kill off.

Janet Baraclough.. wrote:
The message
from "soup" contains these words:


Sorry to piggy back but I seem to have a memory of
palm trees growing in Scotland does anyone have a
link for where these are grown ?


Cordyline australis aka "Torbay palm" or"Cabbage palm" can be seen in
gardens on the mild west coast from Galloway to Ullapoole. Chusan palm
also grows here but isn't quite so common.

Janet.

pedant mode
ermm, Cordyline australis isn't a palm, despite the rather midleading
common name.
/pedant mode

Trachycarpus fortunei and Chamaerops humilis seem to be cropping up all
over the place now, and T fortunei seems pretty difficult to kill off.

On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 09:42:48 +0100, Ben wrote:

Trachycarpus fortunei and Chamaerops humilis seem to be cropping up all
over the place now, and T fortunei seems pretty difficult to kill off.

Trachycarpus fortunei has been grown out of doors in the UK for over
100 years and has taken everything that the 1900's could muster with
few recorded problems. There are at least 2 hardier species T.
wagnerianum (good for windy gardens) & T. takil, which is larger
and bolder than fortunei. These Himalayan palms revel in cool, moist
conditions and prefer light shade plus some wind shelter in order to
look their best. When happy and well watered, they can easily make
over 12" of trunk per year and so are not nearly as slow growing as
some 'experts' would have you believe.

After years of indecision, gardeners also decided that the European
fan palm should be hardy enough for southern counties at least. It
has proved to be an excellent small palm over the past 30 or so years
and there are fine, 10 - 14 foot high specimens to be seen that bear
this out. For small gardens, it is probably the best palm to grow.
Unlike Trachycarpus, it is clumping, tolerant of salt-laden winds and
prefers a hot, sunny spot. Give it plenty of water in summer and
growth rates are quite impressive. Some plants barely reach 6 feet
high and about 10 feet across, but others will tend to produce a
single trunk several metres high with just a few offsets around the
base. There is an amazingly coloured form (var, cerifera) that has
brilliant blue leaves and it's provenance high up in the Atlas
mountains suggests it is hardier than most forms.

In (southern) coastal regions, there are probably at least 15 species
of fan and feather palms that are good 'doers' and here in Torquay
there are a 115 year old Canary Island Date Palm (Phoenix canariensis)
and a similarly aged Chilean Wine Palm (Jubaea chilensis) that have
withstood the rigours of truly severe winters. Others proving to be
extremely tough and happy in our climate include Butia capitata,
Chamaedorea radicalis, Trithrinax campestris and Rhapidophyllum
hystrix. All of these will cope with temps of minus 5 or 6C without
damage if grown in fertile, well drained soils. I should add that I
have acquaintances in Bristol, Birmingham, Manchester and Sheffield
who successfully grow these species so it isn't just a Torbay anomaly.

As to Cordyline, it really shouldn't be considered in the same context
as palms. It is nowhere near as stem hardy, but can regenerate from
the rootstock if severely damaged. Very few true palms can do this
since almost all of them only ever have a single growing point. If
this is killed, the entire plant will die. As a result, you cannot
prune palms in an attempt to reduce their height.

Dave Poole
Torquay, Coastal South Devon UK
Winter min -2°C. Summer max 34°C.
Growing season: March - November

On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 09:42:48 +0100, Ben wrote:

Trachycarpus fortunei and Chamaerops humilis seem to be cropping up all
over the place now, and T fortunei seems pretty difficult to kill off.

Trachycarpus fortunei has been grown out of doors in the UK for over
100 years and has taken everything that the 1900's could muster with
few recorded problems. There are at least 2 hardier species T.
wagnerianum (good for windy gardens) & T. takil, which is larger
and bolder than fortunei. These Himalayan palms revel in cool, moist
conditions and prefer light shade plus some wind shelter in order to
look their best. When happy and well watered, they can easily make
over 12" of trunk per year and so are not nearly as slow growing as
some 'experts' would have you believe.

After years of indecision, gardeners also decided that the European
fan palm should be hardy enough for southern counties at least. It
has proved to be an excellent small palm over the past 30 or so years
and there are fine, 10 - 14 foot high specimens to be seen that bear
this out. For small gardens, it is probably the best palm to grow.
Unlike Trachycarpus, it is clumping, tolerant of salt-laden winds and
prefers a hot, sunny spot. Give it plenty of water in summer and
growth rates are quite impressive. Some plants barely reach 6 feet
high and about 10 feet across, but others will tend to produce a
single trunk several metres high with just a few offsets around the
base. There is an amazingly coloured form (var, cerifera) that has
brilliant blue leaves and it's provenance high up in the Atlas
mountains suggests it is hardier than most forms.

In (southern) coastal regions, there are probably at least 15 species
of fan and feather palms that are good 'doers' and here in Torquay
there are a 115 year old Canary Island Date Palm (Phoenix canariensis)
and a similarly aged Chilean Wine Palm (Jubaea chilensis) that have
withstood the rigours of truly severe winters. Others proving to be
extremely tough and happy in our climate include Butia capitata,
Chamaedorea radicalis, Trithrinax campestris and Rhapidophyllum
hystrix. All of these will cope with temps of minus 5 or 6C without
damage if grown in fertile, well drained soils. I should add that I
have acquaintances in Bristol, Birmingham, Manchester and Sheffield
who successfully grow these species so it isn't just a Torbay anomaly.

As to Cordyline, it really shouldn't be considered in the same context
as palms. It is nowhere near as stem hardy, but can regenerate from
the rootstock if severely damaged. Very few true palms can do this
since almost all of them only ever have a single growing point. If
this is killed, the entire plant will die. As a result, you cannot
prune palms in an attempt to reduce their height.

Dave Poole
Torquay, Coastal South Devon UK
Winter min -2°C. Summer max 34°C.
Growing season: March - November

Andrew Wilkes wrote in message ...
In message , Anne Jackson
writes
The message
from (Mike Lyle) contains these words:

I remember that, too, when staying with the Tibetans, Lockerbie way.

ITYM Eskdalemuir?


That sounds like the one - Samye Ling it used to be called - when I went
there to stay in its early days (1974/5)

Very peaceful. Wonderful setting.

Eskdalemuir, of course! Yes, Samye-Ling. Wasn't it a wonderful place?
The kind of experience one dare not go back to for fear of the
inevitable change.

Mike.