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In article , Janet Baraclough.
.. writes The message from Kay contains these words: In article , Tim Challenger writes If God had wanted us to be vegetarians, he wouldn't have made animals out of meat. If God didn't want us to be cannibals, he wouldn't have made humans out of meat Illogical, captain. If humans were made out of vegetables (God knows he nearly succeeded in many cases) then we'd all be vegetarian and could still eat each other. If he was serious, he'd have made us out of -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
In article , Janet Baraclough.
.. writes The message from Kay contains these words: In article , Tim Challenger writes If God had wanted us to be vegetarians, he wouldn't have made animals out of meat. If God didn't want us to be cannibals, he wouldn't have made humans out of meat Illogical, captain. If humans were made out of vegetables (God knows he nearly succeeded in many cases) then we'd all be vegetarian and could still eat each other. Couch potato, anyone? Careful! It's only the underground bit you can eat - the bit on the couch is poisonous! -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
In article , Kay
writes If he was serious, he'd have made us out of How did that get here! ;-) I obviously shouldn't read my ngs before I'm fully awake -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
Helen,
Recently I saw a programme about whether or not plants have feelings - some said "of course they don't" and there were others who said they were sure they did. What do you think? I only discovered this thread today, so I'm a bit late in answering.... O.K. My Anthurium didn't bloom since last autumn. On Monday I bought an Alocasia sanderiana and showed it to my Anthurium saying: "Look, how beautiful this plant is! But you, you only produce green leaves over and over, but no flower. What is wrong with you?" Believe it or not: a small inflorescence is showing up since Wednesday! A friend of mine told me that she had a plant which didn't want to bloom, neither. She shouted at the plant: "If you don't start blooming till the end of the week, I will throw you away!". Guess what happened? No, she didn't have to throw it away! You may say: this was just by chance. But I happened to see things like these often enough to assume that they are signs of feelings. Fear or perhaps even jealousy are motives I see in these reactions. Gaby -- Mrs. Gaby Chaudry http://www.gaby.de/bilder/ |
Following up to Broadback
If it is ever proved that plants have feelings, and can feel pain what on earth are veggies going to do? :-( I saw a veggie on TV who would only eat individual leaves from a plant to avoid killing it! -- Mike Reid If god wanted us to be vegetarians he wouldn't have made animals out of meat. Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" -- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap |
"Martin" wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:47:28 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: Pumping Birthday greetings to the Dales? Yes. I think it is nearly time to declare the well-wishing season over. {:-)) It's my turn at the end of this month. How old? Which day? Franz |
On 20/8/04 10:26, in article ,
"Martin" wrote: On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:32:53 +0100, Sacha wrote: On 20/8/04 9:17, in article , "Martin" wrote: On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 22:38:51 +0100, Sacha wrote: On 19/8/04 21:07, in article , "Martin" wrote: On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:47:28 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: Pumping Birthday greetings to the Dales? Yes. I think it is nearly time to declare the well-wishing season over. {:-)) It's my turn at the end of this month. To turn 80? not quite :-) Well.......let us know when to start the count down! in about 15 years. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
Following up to Malcolm
I saw a veggie on TV who would only eat individual leaves from a plant to avoid killing it! LOL! Presumably that means that no root crops can be eaten. And what about seeds like rice or pulses. Each one has the potential to be a plant so how could one eat those, either? the presenter asked him if it caused him any problems and he said only that he wife had left him! I cant remember what his rules on potential life (seeds etc) were, IIRC he had gradually got more and more extreme, an obsession I suspect rather than a rational approach to moral eating. Still, its his choice. Having read all this stuff I keep finding myself looking round quickly on the allotment and I swear some bindweed tried to trip me up the other day, its not paranoia, they *are* watching me. :-) Perhaps if I get the compost heap consecrated they will be placated? But I couldn't put flowers on it, could I? -- Mike Reid If god wanted us to be vegetarians he wouldn't have made animals out of meat. Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" -- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap |
This is a very interesting thread, and poses a very intriguing question.
To cut to the chase, IMHO, plans are living and as such have senses in which they employ for their survival. They can physically 'feel' but can't mentally 'feel'. That is the difference between plants and animals. |
In article , Darwins Frog
writes This is a very interesting thread, and poses a very intriguing question. To cut to the chase, IMHO, plans are living and as such have senses in which they employ for their survival. They can physically 'feel' but can't mentally 'feel'. That is the difference between plants and animals. That sounds about as good a summary of the topic as can be made. -- Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs. |
Alan Gould said "..........To cut to the chase, IMHO, plans are living and
as such have senses in which they employ for their survival. They can physically 'feel' but can't mentally 'feel' ........" Who's to say that plants don't have a sense, or senses that we know nothing about. -- David Hill Abacus nurseries www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk |
"David Hill" wrote in message ... Alan Gould said "..........To cut to the chase, IMHO, plans are living and as such have senses in which they employ for their survival. They can physically 'feel' but can't mentally 'feel' ........" Who's to say that plants don't have a sense, or senses that we know nothing about. -- David Hill Abacus nurseries www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk There are certainly times when I reckon they have a highly developed sense of humour :~) -- Charlie, gardening in Cornwall. http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs) |
Who's to say that plants don't have a sense, or senses that we know
nothing about. Sense of humour for example? Dahlias laugh up their sleeves. -- Martin Sorry Martin but Osmacoat is a fertilizer not a plant garment -- David Hill Abacus nurseries www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk |
"Gaby Chaudry" wrote in message ... Helen, Recently I saw a programme about whether or not plants have feelings - some said "of course they don't" and there were others who said they were sure they did. What do you think? I only discovered this thread today, so I'm a bit late in answering.... O.K. My Anthurium didn't bloom since last autumn. On Monday I bought an Alocasia sanderiana and showed it to my Anthurium saying: "Look, how beautiful this plant is! But you, you only produce green leaves over and over, but no flower. What is wrong with you?" Believe it or not: a small inflorescence is showing up since Wednesday! A friend of mine told me that she had a plant which didn't want to bloom, neither. She shouted at the plant: "If you don't start blooming till the end of the week, I will throw you away!". Guess what happened? No, she didn't have to throw it away! You may say: this was just by chance. But I happened to see things like these often enough to assume that they are signs of feelings. Fear or perhaps even jealousy are motives I see in these reactions. Now make a list of all the occasions in which you have spoken to q plant after which it did not respond. For each case you quote in which the plant responded, I will quote you twenty in which the plant did not respond. Franz |
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