Plants feelings
Recently I saw a programme about whether or not plants have feelings - some
said "of course they don't" and there were others who said they were sure they did. What do you think? |
Plants feelings
In article , Helen
writes Recently I saw a programme about whether or not plants have feelings - some said "of course they don't" and there were others who said they were sure they did. What do you think? Plants react to their treatment and surroundings by various means. They are born, grow, feed, drink, procreate, protect themselves, age and die. They are living beings, as are mobile creatures of the animal world. They do not have a brain but they do have the equivalent of a nerve system by which messages are carried between their physical parts. In humans, feelings are seen as the operation of the nerve system in body and mind. That makes them sentient creatures. They can observe and communicate about the feelings of other beings, but they cannot experience them. That has often led to a belief that such feelings do not exist, as seen in the case of fish, animals and even other humans. I personally think that plants do have feelings of a type, though probably not experienced as humans feel pain or emotion. -- Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs. |
Plants feelings
In article , Helen
writes Recently I saw a programme about whether or not plants have feelings - some said "of course they don't" and there were others who said they were sure they did. What do you think? First you have to be clear about what you mean by 'feelings'. Mere reaction to sensory perception? Emotional response? -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
Plants feelings
Alan Gould wrote:
In article , Helen writes Recently I saw a programme about whether or not plants have feelings - some said "of course they don't" and there were others who said they were sure they did. What do you think? Plants react to their treatment and surroundings by various means. They are born, grow, feed, drink, procreate, protect themselves, age and die. They are living beings, as are mobile creatures of the animal world. They do not have a brain but they do have the equivalent of a nerve system by which messages are carried between their physical parts. In humans, feelings are seen as the operation of the nerve system in body and mind. That makes them sentient creatures. They can observe and communicate about the feelings of other beings, but they cannot experience them. That has often led to a belief that such feelings do not exist, as seen in the case of fish, animals and even other humans. I personally think that plants do have feelings of a type, though probably not experienced as humans feel pain or emotion. If it is ever proved that plants have feelings, and can feel pain what on earth are veggies going to do? :-( -- Please do not reply by Email, as all emails to this address are automatically deleted. |
Plants feelings
In message , Broadback
writes If it is ever proved that plants have feelings, and can feel pain what on earth are veggies going to do? :-( Eat cabbages that are certified to have died a natural death. (Who originally wrote that? - Asimov?) -- dave @ stejonda Bring culture back to NTL. http://www.performance-channel.com/ |
Plants feelings
In article , Broadback
writes If it is ever proved that plants have feelings, and can feel pain what on earth are veggies going to do? :-( They become frutarians - who will only eat bits that animals and plants shed - fruit is OK, as is milk and possibly eggs, but not carrots. -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
Plants feelings
In message , Kay
writes fruit is OK, as is milk though it's not the milk that is the concern but the veal that is necessary for (cow) milk to be produced -- dave @ stejonda Bring culture back to NTL. http://www.performance-channel.com/ |
Plants feelings
"Helen" wrote in message u... Recently I saw a programme about whether or not plants have feelings - some said "of course they don't" and there were others who said they were sure they did. What do you think? Not having a nervous system, I feel they probably don't, but there are huge discussions on the net about this very subject: http://ar.vegnews.org/plant_consciousness.html Jenny |
Plants feelings
In article , dave @ stejonda NoSpamThanks
@stejonda.freeuk.com writes In message , Kay writes fruit is OK, as is milk though it's not the milk that is the concern but the veal that is necessary for (cow) milk to be produced That's not strictly so, is it? You can take some of a cow's milk and leave enough for the calf. I thought veal production had a whole source of other worries. It's impossible to live without drawing some veil over some aspect of what you are doing. Different people draw the line in different places. The truth is that as a species we are just too abundant not to have an adverse effect. That doesn't absolve us from the responsibility to try to minimise that effect. -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
Plants feelings
In article , JennyC
writes "Helen" wrote in message . au... Recently I saw a programme about whether or not plants have feelings - some said "of course they don't" and there were others who said they were sure they did. What do you think? Not having a nervous system, I feel they probably don't, Comes back to definition of 'feelings' doesn't it? Does someone whose nervous system is shot to hell have less 'feelings' than the rest of us? Less physical sensation, yes, but their emotions are intact, and their capacity for distress. I'm inclined to think it's something to do with the extent to which the control systems are centralised. -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
On 14/8/04 13:56, in article ,
"Martin" wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 13:43:48 +0100, Sacha wrote: snip Do you remember there was something written about experiments in this line? Was it in The Secret Life of Plants? I seem to recall something about a scientist burning the leaf of a plant with a cigarette and then the plant was hooked up to electrodes to register its 'reactions'. When the same man entered the room again there was - apparently - a distinct reaction from the plant. I may not be remembering this very clearly but it was along those lines. Is this thread leading to giving up eating food all together? ;-) If taken to its logical conclusion it's going to given vegans and vegetarians food for nothing but thought. ;-) -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:16:49 +1000, "Helen" wrote:
Recently I saw a programme about whether or not plants have feelings - some said "of course they don't" and there were others who said they were sure they did. What do you think? I think it unlikely. Evolution makes use of whatever advantages it can lay its hands on - and in the case of animals it's made very good use of the range of feelings that we might term 'instincts'. Had the same been true for plants then you might find that your courgettes would kick you in the shins when you tried to pick them...or your sweet peas slap you round the face when you tried to cut the blooms. They've been around a great deal longer than us, so it's fair to assume that if they haven't evolved in this fashion by now then they never will. Plants ( and any other living things ) have the ability to react to their environment based on what their senses, such as they are, allow them to perceive - although you could argue that for the most part these reactions are more mechanical in nature. Regards, -- Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations www.shwoodwind.co.uk Emails to: showard{whoisat}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk |
"Helen" wrote in message u... Recently I saw a programme about whether or not plants have feelings - some said "of course they don't" and there were others who said they were sure they did. What do you think? Show me the plant's memory and nervous systems. Franz |
"Helen" wrote in message u... Recently I saw a programme about whether or not plants have feelings - some said "of course they don't" and there were others who said they were sure they did. What do you think? Please define "feelings" before going f into this particular pseudo-philosophical direction. Franz |
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