"Kay" wrote in message
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In article , BAC
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"Kay" wrote in message
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In article , Franz Heymann
notfranz.
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It would be unwise for a pragmatist like me to say yes or no to
such a
possible false generalisation.
There are circumstances where I would be prepared to participate
in
the eradication of some species in certain places for the sake
of
humans, or domesticated animals, for example

Prickly pears for the sake of grazing field
The common cold virus
Malaria-carrying mosquitoes
Bracken in the Lake District
Hedgehogs in N Uist and Benbecula
Cats on Marion Island

Well, out of that lot, nos 1, 5 and 6 could be regarded as
putting
things right after introduction of species to places where they
don't
belong,

What do you mean by 'places where they don't belong'?

They didn't get there without human intervention.

Pretty obviously, they
are well suited to those places,

I can think of many places where I would thrive, but where I don't
belong ;-)

and 5 and 6 are not primarily 'for the sake of humans or
domesticated animals' - indeed, it was the *introduction* of
hedgehogs
that was 'for the sake of humans'.

The extermination of the hedgehogs is for the sake of humans, too.
It is for
the sake of those humans who consider the continued presence on the
islands
of large breeding populations of certain species of birds to be
important,
and who believe that management of the hedgehog population is
therefore a
necessary expedient. If the presence of the hedgehogs merely
threatened the
survival on the islands of something to which humans assigned
little
importance (like the slugs they were reputedly imported to
control), I
doubt whether the RSPB or the local tourist industry would have
lobbied SNH
for their removal.

OK, a fair point.


And no 2 is an interesting one ... where do we draw the line ..
how do
we regard viruses, compared with plants, animals, fungi, bacteria
....



I suggest that similar principles apply - if a virus or any other
organism
is perceived as a threat/nuisance, countermeasures are likely to be
taken up
to the point where the cost/effort/hassle involved starts to
outweigh the
anticipated benefits.

That leaves questions about what are the benefits. Will removal of
one
species (whatever it is) have a knock on effect on others?

You have a point. I mentioned the use of Cactoblastis cactorum to
clear the prickly pears out of the Little Karoo. After the job was
done, there were rumours floating around that the insect had started
turning its atention to pumpkin fields. I don't know whether that
threat ever materialised.

Is it good to
maintain as large a number of species as possible for its own sake?
...

Yes, if you would substitute something else for "possible", such as
"feasible without harming the human population"

or for potential future uses we don't yet know about? And how much
importance should we place on the furry cuddly factor?

Very many mammalian species do in fact play an important role in the
psychological well-being of humans.

Franz

In article , Franz Heymann
writes
You have a point. I mentioned the use of Cactoblastis cactorum to
clear the prickly pears out of the Little Karoo. After the job was
done, there were rumours floating around that the insect had started
turning its atention to pumpkin fields. I don't know whether that
threat ever materialised.

There was the whole rabbit/opuntia thing in Oz - I can't remember
whether the rabbits were introduced control the opuntias or vice versa,
but either way it didn't afterwards look to be such a good idea.

--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

"Kay" wrote in message
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In article , Franz Heymann
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You have a point. I mentioned the use of Cactoblastis cactorum to
clear the prickly pears out of the Little Karoo. After the job was
done, there were rumours floating around that the insect had
started
turning its atention to pumpkin fields. I don't know whether that
threat ever materialised.

There was the whole rabbit/opuntia thing in Oz - I can't remember
whether the rabbits were introduced control the opuntias or vice
versa,
but either way it didn't afterwards look to be such a good idea.

I don't think the rabbits were imported to deal with the opuntias. My
memory says that they were released in the wild in the hope that they
would provide a future source for sport. The Ozzies also dealt with
their opuntias by using the anti-cactus bug.

Franz

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"Kay" wrote in message
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In article , Franz Heymann
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You have a point. I mentioned the use of Cactoblastis cactorum to
clear the prickly pears out of the Little Karoo. After the job was
done, there were rumours floating around that the insect had
started
turning its atention to pumpkin fields. I don't know whether that
threat ever materialised.

There was the whole rabbit/opuntia thing in Oz - I can't remember
whether the rabbits were introduced control the opuntias or vice
versa,
but either way it didn't afterwards look to be such a good idea.

I don't think the rabbits were imported to deal with the opuntias. My
memory says that they were released in the wild in the hope that they
would provide a future source for sport. The Ozzies also dealt with
their opuntias by using the anti-cactus bug.


If you're looking for a classic example of an attempted biological control
going wrong in Oz, the good old Cane Toad springs to mind - it didn't solve
the problem it was hoped it would, and has spread widely, preying on
virtually anything it can fit in its mouth.

"Kay" wrote in message
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In article , Franz Heymann
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You have a point. I mentioned the use of Cactoblastis cactorum to
clear the prickly pears out of the Little Karoo. After the job was
done, there were rumours floating around that the insect had started
turning its atention to pumpkin fields. I don't know whether that
threat ever materialised.

There was the whole rabbit/opuntia thing in Oz - I can't remember
whether the rabbits were introduced control the opuntias or vice versa,
but either way it didn't afterwards look to be such a good idea.



Rabbits were introduced as food for foxes. And the foxes were introduced so
people could hunt them.

--
Tumbleweed

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