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Raspberry bushes in the winter
Hi All,
I recently moved to the south of France from the northeast part of the US, so I'm completely unused to the new climate, and am not sure what to expect. I have planted some raspberry bushes and I'm wondering if I should expect them to shed their leaves in the autumn, or if they stay green all year. Where I'm from, in Massachusetts, the leaves would have fallen by now, so I'm just a bit surprised to see these small plants looking very green and happy. Do they need any special treatment to make them stop growing before winter (such as it is) sets in? Stop watering them perhaps? Thanks, Ellie (whose French isn't yet up to posting in the French gardening group!) |
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Ellie C wrote:
: Hi All, : : I recently moved to the south of France from the northeast part of the : US, so I'm completely unused to the new climate, and am not sure what : to expect. I have planted some raspberry bushes and I'm wondering if I : should expect them to shed their leaves in the autumn, or if they stay : green all year. Where I'm from, in Massachusetts, the leaves would : have fallen by now, so I'm just a bit surprised to see these small : plants looking very green and happy. : : Do they need any special treatment to make them stop growing before : winter (such as it is) sets in? Stop watering them perhaps? : : Thanks, : : Ellie (whose French isn't yet up to posting in the French gardening : group!) Bonjour! The south of France is a far cry from here and I imagine they take longer to lose their leaves, if indeed they do. I wouldn't think you force them to do anything though but take it as a little extra. Au revoir Ellie |
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from Ellie C contains these words: I recently moved to the south of France from the northeast part of the US, so I'm completely unused to the new climate, and am not sure what to expect. I have planted some raspberry bushes and I'm wondering if I should expect them to shed their leaves in the autumn, or if they stay green all year. Where I'm from, in Massachusetts, the leaves would have fallen by now, so I'm just a bit surprised to see these small plants looking very green and happy. Do they need any special treatment to make them stop growing before winter (such as it is) sets in? Stop watering them perhaps? Thanks, Ellie (whose French isn't yet up to posting in the French gardening group!) Unfortunately the climate of the south of France is unlike anything in the UK, so unless you are lucky enough to meet another visitor here who comes from that region, I fear that you won't get any definitive answers. FWIW I would expect the canes to drop their leaves, and in any case, does it matter? You just treat them as normal, and cut the canes at the recommended time for the varieties you have. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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Jaques d'Alltrades wrote:
The message from Ellie C contains these words: I recently moved to the south of France from the northeast part of the US, so I'm completely unused to the new climate, and am not sure what to expect. I have planted some raspberry bushes and I'm wondering if I should expect them to shed their leaves in the autumn, or if they stay green all year. Where I'm from, in Massachusetts, the leaves would have fallen by now, so I'm just a bit surprised to see these small plants looking very green and happy. Do they need any special treatment to make them stop growing before winter (such as it is) sets in? Stop watering them perhaps? Thanks, Ellie (whose French isn't yet up to posting in the French gardening group!) Unfortunately the climate of the south of France is unlike anything in the UK, so unless you are lucky enough to meet another visitor here who comes from that region, I fear that you won't get any definitive answers. FWIW I would expect the canes to drop their leaves, and in any case, does it matter? You just treat them as normal, and cut the canes at the recommended time for the varieties you have. Amusing to hear about how different the winters are. I lived in Ireland for a while and found their winters to be similar to the winter here in France. But it's all in how delicate your perceptions are, I think. Coming from Massachusetts, where the ground freezes 4 feet down and there's snow cover from December to April, the winters in France and England and Ireland all seemed similar to me - like a long autumn followed by a long spring. :-) |
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"Ellie C" wrote in message ... Hi All, I recently moved to the south of France from the northeast part of the US, so I'm completely unused to the new climate, and am not sure what to expect. I have planted some raspberry bushes and I'm wondering if I should expect them to shed their leaves in the autumn, or if they stay green all year. Where I'm from, in Massachusetts, the leaves would have fallen by now, so I'm just a bit surprised to see these small plants looking very green and happy. Do they need any special treatment to make them stop growing before winter (such as it is) sets in? Stop watering them perhaps? Hello Ellie, I doubt if you would get much joy from asking questions in this newsgroup about gardening in the South of France. The gardening conditions are just not comparable. Franz |
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Ellie wrote "........I have planted some raspberry bushes and I'm wondering
if I should expect them to shed their leaves in the autumn, or if they stay green all year..........." Firstly raspberries grow on canes and not bushes, and normally they fruit on the previous years canes, so that after fruiting you cut out the old to leave space for the new canes. The canes that have fruited normally die over the winter months anyway,so the question of if they shed their leaves or not doesn't really matter. I would be more worried about them drying out prior to fruiting -- David Hill Abacus nurseries www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk |
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David Hill wrote:
Ellie wrote "........I have planted some raspberry bushes and I'm wondering if I should expect them to shed their leaves in the autumn, or if they stay green all year..........." Firstly raspberries grow on canes and not bushes, and normally they fruit on the previous years canes, so that after fruiting you cut out the old to leave space for the new canes. The canes that have fruited normally die over the winter months anyway,so the question of if they shed their leaves or not doesn't really matter. I would be more worried about them drying out prior to fruiting Sorry for my American colloquialism. We always called them raspberry bushes, although we did refer to individual branches as canes. Do all varieties fruit on the current year's canes? |
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Hi Ellie, Greetings from the Dordogne! I have just been out to have a look at my raspberry plants and the leaves are just turning red/brown, before they die down for the winter. As you are in the south of France, your season is probably a bit later than here. I'm pretty new to gardening so I don't know a lot about raspberries - but I can help on a couple of things. Raspberries are a cold weather fruit (I come from Scotland where they grow beautifully). This year my three raspberry bushes produced three fruits between them. I can only put that down to the hot, dry weather we had in June. Next year I am going to move them to a shadier part of the garden and also try some autumn fruiting varieties. Hope this helps. Jay Jay |
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Hi Ellie. If your raspberries dont do well where you are, get rid of them
and put in blackberries. I grew them in Arkansas, and when we moved to Kansas I brought them with me. They are doing very well as far as growing normally is concerned, and we got our first crop off of them this year. The only problem is that they arent as sweet as in Arkansas, and I attribute that to the soil pH. Arkansas is more acidic (ph of about 6 where we were, and it is about 7.5 here). Have fun with your experiments, I know I do. Someone tells me "you cant grow that here", but doesnt tell me why, I take it more as a challenge than advice. Dwayne "jay jay" wrote in message ... Ellie C Wrote: Hi All, I recently moved to the south of France from the northeast part of the US, so I'm completely unused to the new climate, and am not sure what to expect. I have planted some raspberry bushes and I'm wondering if I should expect them to shed their leaves in the autumn, or if they stay green all year. Where I'm from, in Massachusetts, the leaves would have fallen by now, so I'm just a bit surprised to see these small plants looking very green and happy. Do they need any special treatment to make them stop growing before winter (such as it is) sets in? Stop watering them perhaps? Thanks, Ellie (whose French isn't yet up to posting in the French gardening group!) Hi Ellie, Greetings from the Dordogne! I have just been out to have a look at my raspberry plants and the leaves are just turning red/brown, before they die down for the winter. As you are in the south of France, your season is probably a bit later than here. I'm pretty new to gardening so I don't know a lot about raspberries - but I can help on a couple of things. Raspberries are a cold weather fruit (I come from Scotland where they grow beautifully). This year my three raspberry bushes produced three fruits between them. I can only put that down to the hot, dry weather we had in June. Next year I am going to move them to a shadier part of the garden and also try some autumn fruiting varieties. Hope this helps. Jay Jay -- jay jay |
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Dwayne wrote:
: Hi Ellie. If your raspberries dont do well where you are, get rid of them : and put in blackberries. I grew them in Arkansas, and when we moved to : Kansas I brought them with me. They are doing very well as far as growing : normally is concerned, and we got our first crop off of them this year. The : only problem is that they arent as sweet as in Arkansas, and I attribute : that to the soil pH. Arkansas is more acidic (ph of about 6 where we were, : and it is about 7.5 here). Have fun with your experiments, I know I do. : Someone tells me "you cant grow that here", but doesnt tell me why, I take : it more as a challenge than advice. I'm not sure N. American "Black Berries" are the same as the European "Balck Berry" or Bramble. Not sure how far south the bramble grows in the wind in France. : "jay jay" wrote in message : ... : : Ellie C Wrote: : Hi All, : : I recently moved to the south of France from the northeast part of the : US, so I'm completely unused to the new climate, and am not sure what : to : expect. I have planted some raspberry bushes and I'm wondering if I : should expect them to shed their leaves in the autumn, or if they stay : green all year. Where I'm from, in Massachusetts, the leaves would : have : fallen by now, so I'm just a bit surprised to see these small plants : looking very green and happy. : : Do they need any special treatment to make them stop growing before : winter (such as it is) sets in? Stop watering them perhaps? : : Thanks, : : Ellie (whose French isn't yet up to posting in the French gardening : group!) : : : Hi Ellie, : : Greetings from the Dordogne! I have just been out to have a look at my : raspberry plants and the leaves are just turning red/brown, before they : die down for the winter. As you are in the south of France, your : season is probably a bit later than here. I'm pretty new to gardening : so I don't know a lot about raspberries - but I can help on a couple of : things. Raspberries are a cold weather fruit (I come from Scotland : where they grow beautifully). This year my three raspberry bushes : produced three fruits between them. I can only put that down to the : hot, dry weather we had in June. Next year I am going to move them to : a shadier part of the garden and also try some autumn fruiting : varieties. Hope this helps. : : Jay Jay : : : -- : jay jay |
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J Jackson wrote:
Dwayne wrote: : Hi Ellie. If your raspberries dont do well where you are, get rid of them : and put in blackberries. I grew them in Arkansas, and when we moved to : Kansas I brought them with me. They are doing very well as far as growing : normally is concerned, and we got our first crop off of them this year. The : only problem is that they arent as sweet as in Arkansas, and I attribute : that to the soil pH. Arkansas is more acidic (ph of about 6 where we were, : and it is about 7.5 here). Have fun with your experiments, I know I do. : Someone tells me "you cant grow that here", but doesnt tell me why, I take : it more as a challenge than advice. I'm not sure N. American "Black Berries" are the same as the European "Balck Berry" or Bramble. Not sure how far south the bramble grows in the wind in France. They seem the same. We've always defined blackberries as berries where, when you pull them off the plant, the little white nub stays in the berry, whereas with raspberries and black raspberries, the white nub stays on the plant. : "jay jay" wrote in message : ... : : Ellie C Wrote: : Hi All, : : I recently moved to the south of France from the northeast part of the : US, so I'm completely unused to the new climate, and am not sure what : to : expect. I have planted some raspberry bushes and I'm wondering if I : should expect them to shed their leaves in the autumn, or if they stay : green all year. Where I'm from, in Massachusetts, the leaves would : have : fallen by now, so I'm just a bit surprised to see these small plants : looking very green and happy. : : Do they need any special treatment to make them stop growing before : winter (such as it is) sets in? Stop watering them perhaps? : : Thanks, : : Ellie (whose French isn't yet up to posting in the French gardening : group!) : : : Hi Ellie, : : Greetings from the Dordogne! I have just been out to have a look at my : raspberry plants and the leaves are just turning red/brown, before they : die down for the winter. As you are in the south of France, your : season is probably a bit later than here. I'm pretty new to gardening : so I don't know a lot about raspberries - but I can help on a couple of : things. Raspberries are a cold weather fruit (I come from Scotland : where they grow beautifully). This year my three raspberry bushes : produced three fruits between them. I can only put that down to the : hot, dry weather we had in June. Next year I am going to move them to : a shadier part of the garden and also try some autumn fruiting : varieties. Hope this helps. : : Jay Jay : : : -- : jay jay |
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Dwayne wrote:
Hi Ellie. If your raspberries dont do well where you are, get rid of them and put in blackberries. I grew them in Arkansas, and when we moved to Kansas I brought them with me. They are doing very well as far as growing normally is concerned, and we got our first crop off of them this year. The only problem is that they arent as sweet as in Arkansas, and I attribute that to the soil pH. Arkansas is more acidic (ph of about 6 where we were, and it is about 7.5 here). Have fun with your experiments, I know I do. Someone tells me "you cant grow that here", but doesnt tell me why, I take it more as a challenge than advice. Dwayne "jay jay" wrote in message ... Ellie C Wrote: Hi All, I recently moved to the south of France from the northeast part of the US, so I'm completely unused to the new climate, and am not sure what to expect. I have planted some raspberry bushes and I'm wondering if I should expect them to shed their leaves in the autumn, or if they stay green all year. Where I'm from, in Massachusetts, the leaves would have fallen by now, so I'm just a bit surprised to see these small plants looking very green and happy. Do they need any special treatment to make them stop growing before winter (such as it is) sets in? Stop watering them perhaps? Thanks, Ellie (whose French isn't yet up to posting in the French gardening group!) Hi Ellie, Greetings from the Dordogne! I have just been out to have a look at my raspberry plants and the leaves are just turning red/brown, before they die down for the winter. As you are in the south of France, your season is probably a bit later than here. I'm pretty new to gardening so I don't know a lot about raspberries - but I can help on a couple of things. Raspberries are a cold weather fruit (I come from Scotland where they grow beautifully). This year my three raspberry bushes produced three fruits between them. I can only put that down to the hot, dry weather we had in June. Next year I am going to move them to a shadier part of the garden and also try some autumn fruiting varieties. Hope this helps. Jay Jay -- jay jay Yes, a challenge it is. I won;t be tossing them and putting in blacberries. For one thing, they grow wild everywhere here. I could collect quarts of them just by walking up the hill in back of town. But, alas, I don't particularly care for blacberries. C'est dommage! :-) |
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:00:00 +0200, Ellie C
wrote: ~Hi All, ~ ~I recently moved to the south of France from the northeast part of the ~US, so I'm completely unused to the new climate, and am not sure what to ~expect. I have planted some raspberry bushes and I'm wondering if I ~should expect them to shed their leaves in the autumn, or if they stay ~green all year. Where I'm from, in Massachusetts, the leaves would have ~fallen by now, so I'm just a bit surprised to see these small plants ~looking very green and happy. hhmm according to the RHS, raspberries are a cool climate crop growing best where there is plenty of moisture. They grow much better in Scotland than the south of England (which is why our better varieties come from Scotland!), so the south of France may be a little too far... I think they need the cold winters and dormant period. Let us know how your experiment proceeds, since global warming is going to make it progressively harder to grow certain things including soft fruit! ~Do they need any special treatment to make them stop growing before ~winter (such as it is) sets in? Stop watering them perhaps? This I have no idea - I know that a couple of years ago my canes from Marshall's arrived at the end of January as the winter was warm and they said the canes just wouldn't go dormant. And that was here... Perhaps they just won't. Good luck! -- jane Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you may still exist but you have ceased to live. Mark Twain Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks! |
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jane wrote:
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:00:00 +0200, Ellie C wrote: ~Hi All, ~ ~I recently moved to the south of France from the northeast part of the ~US, so I'm completely unused to the new climate, and am not sure what to ~expect. I have planted some raspberry bushes and I'm wondering if I ~should expect them to shed their leaves in the autumn, or if they stay ~green all year. Where I'm from, in Massachusetts, the leaves would have ~fallen by now, so I'm just a bit surprised to see these small plants ~looking very green and happy. hhmm according to the RHS, raspberries are a cool climate crop growing best where there is plenty of moisture. They grow much better in Scotland than the south of England (which is why our better varieties come from Scotland!), so the south of France may be a little too far... I think they need the cold winters and dormant period. Let us know how your experiment proceeds, since global warming is going to make it progressively harder to grow certain things including soft fruit! ~Do they need any special treatment to make them stop growing before ~winter (such as it is) sets in? Stop watering them perhaps? This I have no idea - I know that a couple of years ago my canes from Marshall's arrived at the end of January as the winter was warm and they said the canes just wouldn't go dormant. And that was here... Perhaps they just won't. Good luck! They grew very well in my dry, sandy field in Massachusetts, so there must be varieties that don't require a moist climate. The ones at the local garden center I guess are varieties suited to this area - I hope. It's just that I was wondering if they should be "hardened off" by having water restricted with winter (such as it is) coming on. |
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I'm busy at present working to a deadline so haven't had time to read
through the whole chain of correspondence on this. Apologies in advance. I have grown raspeberris for approaching 40 years in 3 locations, NW and SW England. Summer raspeberries cut down this years fruiting stems immediately after the crop has been picked. New growth can then ripen for next year. The taller you can let the new canes grow the better the crop so some support is useful. I guess your canes with green leaves etc should be in the 'new growth, condition, and should be left. They will lose their leaves and fruit next summer. Raspberries prefer pH below 6 but not too acid. With shallow fibrous roots the soil must be light and/or contain a lot of organic material. (I used about 1400lbs of garden compost setting up a so far successful row on clay pH 6.5, where previously raspberries would not grow.) Autumn raspberries are cut to the ground after fruiting. The new growth comes in spring and carries on until the end of the year when the canes produce fruit. "Ellie C" wrote in message ... Hi All, I recently moved to the south of France from the northeast part of the US, so I'm completely unused to the new climate, and am not sure what to expect. I have planted some raspberry bushes and I'm wondering if I should expect them to shed their leaves in the autumn, or if they stay green all year. Where I'm from, in Massachusetts, the leaves would have fallen by now, so I'm just a bit surprised to see these small plants looking very green and happy. Do they need any special treatment to make them stop growing before winter (such as it is) sets in? Stop watering them perhaps? Thanks, Ellie (whose French isn't yet up to posting in the French gardening group!) |
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