Couple of things I failed to ID from Madeira this October, anyone got any
suggestions?
www.roselandhouse.co.uk/what.htm

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The so-called Campanula-like plant is Bryophyllum pinnatum.

Someone else can ID the tree.


"Charlie Pridham" wrote in message
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Couple of things I failed to ID from Madeira this October, anyone got any
suggestions?
www.roselandhouse.co.uk/what.htm

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http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
National collection of Clematis viticella cvs

On 16/11/04 21:14, in article
, "Charlie Pridham"
wrote:

Couple of things I failed to ID from Madeira this October, anyone got any
suggestions?
www.roselandhouse.co.uk/what.htm

Could the tree be a kind of Cornus, perhaps?
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South Devon
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Cornus with large zygomorphic flowers?

Get a clue, Sacha. You're not even close.

My dead cat can guess better than that.


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On 16/11/04 21:14, in article
, "Charlie Pridham"
wrote:

Couple of things I failed to ID from Madeira this October, anyone got
any
suggestions?
www.roselandhouse.co.uk/what.htm

Could the tree be a kind of Cornus, perhaps?
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

Charlie Pridham wrote:

Couple of things I failed to ID from Madeira this October, anyone got any
suggestions?

Bit of a tricky one Charlie - it is clearly a member of
Caesalpiniaceae (part of the former Leguminosae) and it is possibly
one of the far-eastern/Pacific Cassias (Pink Shower Trees), or a form
or hybrid of the highly variable Bauhinia variegata (Orchid Tree).

My first thoughts were that it must be Bauhinia - florally, it is a
very close match from the pic, but I'm not happy about the foliage. In
Bauhinia, the leaves tend to be either deeply cleft at the apex making
them appear to look like a camels foot (another common name) or can be
broadly or narrowly heart shaped. They are also alternately arranged
along the stem, but in the pic the leaves appear to be strongly
pinnate. If you have any closer shots of the foliage, we can probably
nail it down to the Bauhinia or Cassia bakeriana.

Neither will survive permanently out of doors on the mainland I'm
afraid, and rather doubt that they could be considered long term
survivors on Tresco. The only Bauhinia I've managed to succeed with
out of doors here is B. yunnanensis, which is a magnificently exotic
climber with 4-5cm. wide, purplish-pink, flowers when grown against a
warm, sunny wall. You have to grow it from seed though (Chilterns
used to offer it) and it takes 3-5 years to flower. I don't think
that even The Plantsman stock it.

Dave Poole
Torquay, Coastal South Devon UK
Winter min -2°C. Summer max 34°C.
Growing season: March - November

I'm sorry, it's hard to tell without a closeup, so my apologies if my guess
is wrong:

the one on the left, with the pink blossoms, looks like a Cassia to me. It
could be Cassia grandis

http://pharm1.pharmazie.uni-greifswa...ilder/yamasaki
yamas041.jpg

or Cassia javanica

http://www.envirohort.com/cassia javanica.jpg

Sorry I can't find better shots on Google (these aren't mine). The Javanese
Pink Cassia has fewer leaflets than the Big Pink Cassia from Central
America, 5-15 vrs. 8-20. The entire plant C. grandis is bigger, too (hence
the name I suppose). Both have pink blossoms and are deciduous despite
coming from the tropics.

regards,

Atar

Charlie Pridham wrote:

Couple of things I failed to ID from Madeira this October, anyone got any
suggestions?
www.roselandhouse.co.uk/what.htm

--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
National collection of Clematis viticella cvs

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"Cereus-validus..." wrote in message
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The so-called Campanula-like plant is Bryophyllum pinnatum.

Someone else can ID the tree.


Many thanks, do you know anything about it? I am not trying to grow it, just
like to know what I am looking at!

--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
National collection of Clematis viticella cvs

"Dave Poole" wrote in message
...
Charlie Pridham wrote:

Couple of things I failed to ID from Madeira this October, anyone got any
suggestions?

Bit of a tricky one Charlie - it is clearly a member of
Caesalpiniaceae (part of the former Leguminosae) and it is possibly
one of the far-eastern/Pacific Cassias (Pink Shower Trees), or a form
or hybrid of the highly variable Bauhinia variegata (Orchid Tree).

My first thoughts were that it must be Bauhinia - florally, it is a
very close match from the pic, but I'm not happy about the foliage. In
Bauhinia, the leaves tend to be either deeply cleft at the apex making
them appear to look like a camels foot (another common name) or can be
broadly or narrowly heart shaped. They are also alternately arranged
along the stem, but in the pic the leaves appear to be strongly
pinnate. If you have any closer shots of the foliage, we can probably
nail it down to the Bauhinia or Cassia bakeriana.

Neither will survive permanently out of doors on the mainland I'm
afraid, and rather doubt that they could be considered long term
survivors on Tresco. The only Bauhinia I've managed to succeed with
out of doors here is B. yunnanensis, which is a magnificently exotic
climber with 4-5cm. wide, purplish-pink, flowers when grown against a
warm, sunny wall. You have to grow it from seed though (Chilterns
used to offer it) and it takes 3-5 years to flower. I don't think
that even The Plantsman stock it.

Dave Poole
Many thanks for the suggestions, I have seen Bauhinia's and I don't think
its one of those, as you said the foliage of my mystery tree is very pinnate
and at the time I thought of cassia but could not find any mention of there
being pink ones!

--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
National collection of Clematis viticella cvs

"Atar" wrote in message
...
I'm sorry, it's hard to tell without a closeup, so my apologies if my
guess
is wrong:

the one on the left, with the pink blossoms, looks like a Cassia to me. It
could be Cassia grandis

http://pharm1.pharmazie.uni-greifswa...ilder/yamasaki
yamas041.jpg

or Cassia javanica

http://www.envirohort.com/cassia javanica.jpg

Sorry I can't find better shots on Google (these aren't mine). The
Javanese
Pink Cassia has fewer leaflets than the Big Pink Cassia from Central
America, 5-15 vrs. 8-20. The entire plant C. grandis is bigger, too (hence
the name I suppose). Both have pink blossoms and are deciduous despite
coming from the tropics.

regards,

Atar

If its not the second its very like it! Many thanks for taking the trouble.

--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
National collection of Clematis viticella cvs