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espalier training with tip bearing apple tree?
I have two young apple trees ,one is sunset which is a spur bearer i have
planted this against a fence to train as espalier i would also like to do the same with apple discovery which is tip bearing.I have found out recently that tip bearers are not good for training as espaliers. Has anyone trained one & had success or are you best to plant tip bearers as standards? They are for a fence in the vegetable garden or can they be trained with another method? -- Thanks Keith,England,UK. |
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"keith ;-)" wrote in message ... I have two young apple trees ,one is sunset which is a spur bearer i have planted this against a fence to train as espalier i would also like to do the same with apple discovery which is tip bearing.I have found out recently that tip bearers are not good for training as espaliers. Has anyone trained one & had success or are you best to plant tip bearers as standards? They are for a fence in the vegetable garden or can they be trained with another method? I have a Discovery on M111 that I trained as a not-very-brilliant espalier. The shoots are very stout and stiff compared with many other apple varieties- so it's more difficult, though still possible, to persuade it into a restricted form such as an espalier. I haven't always given it the attention that it deserves when training it, which has exacerbated its reluctance to be properly trained. Tip-bearing as such is not a major problem. The yield would be fine if it weren't for the wasps, who are peculiarly partial to a Discovery. :-( http://www.btinternet.com/~treesandfruit/appl.htm -- Anton |
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Thanks Anton! Interesting website is it your own?
So with your experience growing discovery as a espalier would you say its worth it. I had both trees planted as standards only last autumn,but have had a change of mind and want to grow them on a fence to save space.That's why I have a MM106 discovery, it wasn't purchased in the first place to espalier train.Otherwise I would have got whips & trained them from fresh. I think I will have to give it a try as I have already got the secretors out and butchered it!I should be able to get two tiers & then leave a leader to further train. Or would you be brutal & cut to two outward facing buds at 18 inch above ground and start again! I am not to bothered about them being perfect espaliers as long as they resemble them,if you know what I mean. I think it is that starting over again and waiting for it to bear fruit that puts me off the 18 inch above ground scenario & the Wife seeing what I would have done to the £ 17.50 tree we got last year !!! -- Thanks Keith,England,UK. "anton" wrote in message ... "keith ;-)" wrote in message ... I have two young apple trees ,one is sunset which is a spur bearer i have planted this against a fence to train as espalier i would also like to do the same with apple discovery which is tip bearing.I have found out recently that tip bearers are not good for training as espaliers. Has anyone trained one & had success or are you best to plant tip bearers as standards? They are for a fence in the vegetable garden or can they be trained with another method? I have a Discovery on M111 that I trained as a not-very-brilliant espalier. The shoots are very stout and stiff compared with many other apple varieties- so it's more difficult, though still possible, to persuade it into a restricted form such as an espalier. I haven't always given it the attention that it deserves when training it, which has exacerbated its reluctance to be properly trained. Tip-bearing as such is not a major problem. The yield would be fine if it weren't for the wasps, who are peculiarly partial to a Discovery. :-( http://www.btinternet.com/~treesandfruit/appl.htm -- Anton |
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"keith ;-)" wrote in message ... I have two young apple trees ,one is sunset which is a spur bearer i have planted this against a fence to train as espalier i would also like to do the same with apple discovery which is tip bearing.I have found out recently that tip bearers are not good for training as espaliers. Has anyone trained one & had success or are you best to plant tip bearers as standards? They are for a fence in the vegetable garden or can they be trained with another method? I have a Discovery on M111 that I trained as a not-very-brilliant espalier. The shoots are very stout and stiff compared with many other apple varieties- so it's more difficult, though still possible, to persuade it into a restricted form such as an espalier. I haven't always given it the attention that it deserves when training it, which has exacerbated its reluctance to be properly trained. Tip-bearing as such is not a major problem. The yield would be fine if it weren't for the wasps, who are peculiarly partial to a Discovery. :-( http://www.btinternet.com/~treesandfruit/appl.htm I want to do espaliered pears around our new vegetable plot - a 3-sided boundary measuring @ 12 metres per side. There will not be walls or fencing just the post supports, wires and the pear trees. What I need to know is how many pear trees do I need for this and how many of each variety/pollination group, should they be planted side by side or interspersed? I'd like Doyenne de Comice which would need a Group 4 pollination partner. Which other varieties would you recommend? |
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I only know from the RHS encycloedia that they recommend planting apple
espaliers 14 foot apart,this seems a bit much to me.I don't know if this is the same for pears? -- Thanks Keith,England,UK. "Magwitch" wrote in message ... anton muttered: "keith ;-)" wrote in message ... I have two young apple trees ,one is sunset which is a spur bearer i have planted this against a fence to train as espalier i would also like to do the same with apple discovery which is tip bearing.I have found out recently that tip bearers are not good for training as espaliers. Has anyone trained one & had success or are you best to plant tip bearers as standards? They are for a fence in the vegetable garden or can they be trained with another method? I have a Discovery on M111 that I trained as a not-very-brilliant espalier. The shoots are very stout and stiff compared with many other apple varieties- so it's more difficult, though still possible, to persuade it into a restricted form such as an espalier. I haven't always given it the attention that it deserves when training it, which has exacerbated its reluctance to be properly trained. Tip-bearing as such is not a major problem. The yield would be fine if it weren't for the wasps, who are peculiarly partial to a Discovery. :-( http://www.btinternet.com/~treesandfruit/appl.htm I want to do espaliered pears around our new vegetable plot - a 3-sided boundary measuring @ 12 metres per side. There will not be walls or fencing just the post supports, wires and the pear trees. What I need to know is how many pear trees do I need for this and how many of each variety/pollination group, should they be planted side by side or interspersed? I'd like Doyenne de Comice which would need a Group 4 pollination partner. Which other varieties would you recommend? |
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"Magwitch" wrote in message ... anton muttered: I want to do espaliered pears around our new vegetable plot - a 3-sided boundary measuring @ 12 metres per side. There will not be walls or fencing just the post supports, wires and the pear trees. What I need to know is how many pear trees do I need for this 2 or 3 trees per 12 metre- side, depending mainly on budget, rootstock (Quince C or A), & how high you want to go. and how many of each variety/pollination group, with 6-9 trees you shoudln't get any pollination problems unless you pick 5 late-blossoming & one early. should they be planted side by side or interspersed? I'd probably start at one corner with the earliest and run progressively round the edge to the latest. 12m is not far for a bee and so I don't think positioning is crucial from a pollination pt of view. If one edge/ corner is more sheltered than the others I'd place the earliest flowering in the more sheltered position. I'd like Doyenne de Comice which would need a Group 4 pollination partner. Which other varieties would you recommend? Er, anything but Comice? It's terribly prone to scab, and so you will have to spray it to get any crop, whereas most of the others are more or less disease-free. My Comice is overdue for the chop as I don't spray and so I get more or less nothing from it. I'd single out Concorde (son of Comice and Conference) and Williams (bears at a very young age) as varieties that I've had good experiences with. Imho, the big deal with pears in particular is to get a range of ripening dates, e.g: http://www.btinternet.com/~treesandfruit/pear.htm You need to pick them when they are not yet ripe; store them in a cool place; inspect them every couple of days, and then as the yellow blush spreads, bring the riper ones into the warm and give them another day or two to completely ripen. For any one variety, you only get a week or so of delicious juicy manna-on-a-stalk in large quantities. (But it's never a glut- they are far too delicious to ever have a glut of pears). So I would suggest: 1. Don't plant any 'repeats'- each tree should be a different variety. 2. Get as wide a range of ripening dates as possible, then check the range of pollination classes you've got. It's most likely that with at least 6 trees, your pollination will be fine. have fun -- Anton |
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anton muttered:
"Magwitch" wrote in message ... anton muttered: I want to do espaliered pears around our new vegetable plot - a 3-sided boundary measuring @ 12 metres per side. There will not be walls or fencing just the post supports, wires and the pear trees. What I need to know is how many pear trees do I need for this 2 or 3 trees per 12 metre- side, depending mainly on budget, rootstock (Quince C or A), & how high you want to go. and how many of each variety/pollination group, with 6-9 trees you shoudln't get any pollination problems unless you pick 5 late-blossoming & one early. should they be planted side by side or interspersed? I'd probably start at one corner with the earliest and run progressively round the edge to the latest. 12m is not far for a bee and so I don't think positioning is crucial from a pollination pt of view. If one edge/ corner is more sheltered than the others I'd place the earliest flowering in the more sheltered position. I'd like Doyenne de Comice which would need a Group 4 pollination partner. Which other varieties would you recommend? Er, anything but Comice? It's terribly prone to scab, and so you will have to spray it to get any crop, whereas most of the others are more or less disease-free. My Comice is overdue for the chop as I don't spray and so I get more or less nothing from it. I'd single out Concorde (son of Comice and Conference) and Williams (bears at a very young age) as varieties that I've had good experiences with. Imho, the big deal with pears in particular is to get a range of ripening dates, e.g: http://www.btinternet.com/~treesandfruit/pear.htm You need to pick them when they are not yet ripe; store them in a cool place; inspect them every couple of days, and then as the yellow blush spreads, bring the riper ones into the warm and give them another day or two to completely ripen. For any one variety, you only get a week or so of delicious juicy manna-on-a-stalk in large quantities. (But it's never a glut- they are far too delicious to ever have a glut of pears). So I would suggest: 1. Don't plant any 'repeats'- each tree should be a different variety. 2. Get as wide a range of ripening dates as possible, then check the range of pollination classes you've got. It's most likely that with at least 6 trees, your pollination will be fine. have fun -- Anton Thank you sooo much! This is all very helpful and has given me confidence to take the plunge, one more thing - will they need protection from deer and rabbits? |
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"Magwitch" wrote in message ... anton muttered: "Magwitch" wrote in message ... anton muttered: I want to do espaliered pears around our new vegetable plot - a 3-sided boundary measuring @ 12 metres per side. There will not be walls or fencing just the post supports, wires and the pear trees. one more thing - will they need protection from deer and rabbits? Rabbit protection is fairly easy- you can get spiral-wound plastic thingies to protect the trunk, which is probably worth doing in any case. These also protect against voles which can be a problem when the trees are young. Whether deer are a problem depends on where you are. Standard apple trees can be physically protected against deer, but I can't see how an espalier can. Janet B's recipes for deer protection, iirc, include sweaty T-shirts tied at deer-nose level. Have I got that right, Janet? -- Anton |
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