"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
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No, it's a different mix.

Potting mix (nowadays) is made from pine bark

you're not wrong there!

(some bits finer than
others) with different things added such as water crystals and long
life fertiliser (it looks like small coloured beads in the mix). The
really cheap stuff is vitually pure pine bark and is not good.

Seed raising mix has sand in it and perlite/vermicultite and coir
fibre and it also has some nutrients as well.
http://www.yates.com.au/Products/Pot...urposePottingM
ix/ThriveSeedRaising.asp

I did a bit of a hunt for you on how to mix various seed an potting
mixes and found these sites which may help you:
http://www.yates.com.au/Products/Pot...urposePottingM
ix/ThriveSeedRaising.asp
http://www.selfsufficientish.com/seeds.htm

thanks, farm! selfsufficientish is a good site, eh. (i have not had time to
get through it all, of course).

But back to t he problem you're having with the seeds living. At what
stage does this happen? could they be dieing from a damping off
problem?

no.... where it's happened was about the 4 leaf stage. they'd just sit
there, not growing, & not really dying either. then things like hot days or
whatnot would wipe them out, or, i'd think "i'll plant them out & they'll
have to take their chances". overall, planting out helped those which
survived the ministrations of the wingless grasshoppers. either way, they
lived or were eaten, so that was that, i was happy :-)

some of the lack of growth in mix might have been my fault, but then, it's
not possible for it _only_ to have been my fault! tomatoes, a prime
example. out of one billion seeds planted, only four got to the point where
they were even big enough to pot on. the rest just lingered in a state of
suspended animation. some others were basil, comfrey, echinacea, celery,
broccoli. there were others too, not coming to my addled pre-xmas mind just
atm.

i have, however, taken on board chookie's suggestion to give it
vitamins :-)

Chookie suggested adding "vitamins" to the potting mix you are using.
Since the brand of potting mix you are using isn't working this would
be worth a try as would adding water crystals and something like a
granular food that becomes soluble over a long time - I think Osmacote
is such a brand. Most of the cheaper brands seem to mostly be
pulverised pine bark and I can't imagine anything doing well in them
but givent hat it will cost you to add all these essential ingredients
it may just be cheaper int eh long run to buy a good quality potting
mix and be done with it. I now buy Debco Terracotta and Tub all the
time as it seems to be a good product and I've had no problems with
it.

i can try debco, prior to giving up entirely :-) i haven't been impressed
with amgrow, that's for sure. & i'll try to do the right thing & get some
seed mix, & see if that helps in future.
thanks!!
kylie

"0tterbot" wrote in message
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message

But back to t he problem you're having with the seeds living. At
what
stage does this happen? could they be dieing from a damping off
problem?

no.... where it's happened was about the 4 leaf stage. they'd just
sit
there, not growing, & not really dying either.

That sounds like a nutrient problem. I think that the previous
suggestions to add some fertiliser might fix that problem - nothing
will grow in pine bark even if it's well rotted pine bark.

then things like hot days or
whatnot would wipe them out,

Well, we've all been there at some stage :-)) But add some of the
water crystals and see if that improves things or try the Debco stuff
or one of the other expensive brands or mix your own. I resent the
prices I have to pay but I found the cheap stuff was so ghastly and
was really a "non growing" media that I think of that every time I
shell out a small fortune for a few bags of the Debco. I now recycle
spent potting mix by adding both water crystals and fertiliser.

or, i'd think "i'll plant them out & they'll
have to take their chances". overall, planting out helped those
which
survived the ministrations of the wingless grasshoppers. either way,
they
lived or were eaten, so that was that, i was happy :-)

Do you use a weak seaweed emulsion when you plant them out? I've
found this is a good trick to help transplanted seedlings survive.

some of the lack of growth in mix might have been my fault, but
then, it's
not possible for it _only_ to have been my fault!

No. I think its more likely to be the brand you're using.

tomatoes, a prime
example. out of one billion seeds planted, only four got to the
point where
they were even big enough to pot on. the rest just lingered in a
state of
suspended animation. some others were basil, comfrey, echinacea,
celery,
broccoli. there were others too, not coming to my addled pre-xmas mi
nd just
atm.

I think you've just defined the 'non growing' factor I mentioned :-))

i have, however, taken on board chookie's suggestion to give it
vitamins :-)

Chookie suggested adding "vitamins" to the potting mix you are
using.
Since the brand of potting mix you are using isn't working this
would
be worth a try as would adding water crystals and something like a
granular food that becomes soluble over a long time - I think
Osmacote
is such a brand. Most of the cheaper brands seem to mostly be
pulverised pine bark and I can't imagine anything doing well in
them
but givent hat it will cost you to add all these essential
ingredients
it may just be cheaper int eh long run to buy a good quality
potting
mix and be done with it. I now buy Debco Terracotta and Tub all
the
time as it seems to be a good product and I've had no problems
with
it.

i can try debco, prior to giving up entirely :-) i haven't been
impressed
with amgrow, that's for sure. & i'll try to do the right thing & get
some
seed mix, & see if that helps in future.
thanks!!

Good luck!

Farm1 wrote:
"0tterbot" wrote in message
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message

But back to t he problem you're having with the seeds living. At
what
stage does this happen? could they be dieing from a damping off
problem?
no.... where it's happened was about the 4 leaf stage. they'd just
sit
there, not growing, & not really dying either.

That sounds like a nutrient problem. I think that the previous
suggestions to add some fertiliser might fix that problem - nothing
will grow in pine bark even if it's well rotted pine bark.

then things like hot days or
whatnot would wipe them out,

Well, we've all been there at some stage :-)) But add some of the
water crystals and see if that improves things or try the Debco stuff
or one of the other expensive brands or mix your own. I resent the
prices I have to pay but I found the cheap stuff was so ghastly and
was really a "non growing" media that I think of that every time I
shell out a small fortune for a few bags of the Debco. I now recycle
spent potting mix by adding both water crystals and fertiliser.

or, i'd think "i'll plant them out & they'll
have to take their chances". overall, planting out helped those
which
survived the ministrations of the wingless grasshoppers. either way,
they
lived or were eaten, so that was that, i was happy :-)

Do you use a weak seaweed emulsion when you plant them out? I've
found this is a good trick to help transplanted seedlings survive.
some of the lack of growth in mix might have been my fault, but
then, it's
not possible for it _only_ to have been my fault!

No. I think its more likely to be the brand you're using.

tomatoes, a prime
example. out of one billion seeds planted, only four got to the
point where
they were even big enough to pot on. the rest just lingered in a
state of
suspended animation. some others were basil, comfrey, echinacea,
celery,
broccoli. there were others too, not coming to my addled pre-xmas mi
nd just
atm.

I think you've just defined the 'non growing' factor I mentioned :-))

i have, however, taken on board chookie's suggestion to give it
vitamins :-)

Chookie suggested adding "vitamins" to the potting mix you are
using.
Since the brand of potting mix you are using isn't working this
would
be worth a try as would adding water crystals and something like a
granular food that becomes soluble over a long time - I think
Osmacote
is such a brand. Most of the cheaper brands seem to mostly be
pulverised pine bark and I can't imagine anything doing well in
them
but givent hat it will cost you to add all these essential
ingredients
it may just be cheaper int eh long run to buy a good quality
potting
mix and be done with it. I now buy Debco Terracotta and Tub all
the
time as it seems to be a good product and I've had no problems
with
it.
i can try debco, prior to giving up entirely :-) i haven't been
impressed
with amgrow, that's for sure. & i'll try to do the right thing & get
some
seed mix, & see if that helps in future.
thanks!!

Good luck!



You cant beat making your own by having an great aerated 44 gallon drum
filled with all your goodies, adding lime and fowl manure, waiting for
12 months or so and it comes out nice and crumbly. I pulled apart an old
concrete incinerator and used this and unfortunately sent it to the tip
last month, but the stuff I pulled out of it was 2000 % better than
anything I could have brought. I may be prone to exageration a times ,
but this stuff is now growing some great water melons and rock melons.
Its not nice encouraging Debco by paying them exorbitant prices for
something that you can grow your self for free.

"Jonno" wrote in message
Farm1 wrote:
"0tterbot" wrote in message

But add some of the
water crystals and see if that improves things or try the Debco
stuff
or one of the other expensive brands or mix your own. I resent
the
prices I have to pay but I found the cheap stuff was so ghastly
and
was really a "non growing" media that I think of that every time I
shell out a small fortune for a few bags of the Debco. I now
recycle
spent potting mix by adding both water crystals and fertiliser.

i can try debco, prior to giving up entirely :-)

You cant beat making your own by having an great aerated 44 gallon
drum
filled with all your goodies, adding lime and fowl manure, waiting
for
12 months or so and it comes out nice and crumbly. I pulled apart an
old
concrete incinerator and used this and unfortunately sent it to the
tip
last month, but the stuff I pulled out of it was 2000 % better than
anything I could have brought. I may be prone to exageration a
times ,
but this stuff is now growing some great water melons and rock
melons.
Its not nice encouraging Debco by paying them exorbitant prices for
something that you can grow your self for free.

Nice? Nice is really not relevant here. Kylie has a problem right
now and I would assume that since she's asking questions now, she
doesn't want to wait a year to produce the wonderful potting mix
you've made (and this thread has also mentioned already how she can
make her own potting mix).

And why woud you be growing water and rock melons in potting mix
anyway? Wouldn't they be better in the ground?