Would anyone know what species wild crabapple would be? I collected a
couple in an abandoned pasture in Maine a couple of years ago, and would
be interested in finding out the botanical name.

Craig Cowing
NY
Zone 5b/6a

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"Craig Cowing" wrote in message
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Would anyone know what species wild crabapple would be? I collected
a
couple in an abandoned pasture in Maine a couple of years ago, and
would
be interested in finding out the botanical name.

I suggest you use http://plants.usda.gov/ , select Scientific name and
search for malus. Everything that starts with Malus is your candidate.
Take a look at the pictures (incl. distribution) and you'll probably
find it.

Would anyone know what species wild crabapple would be? I
collected a
couple in an abandoned pasture in Maine a couple of years ago,
and would
be interested in finding out the botanical name.


There aren't any native crabapples from Maine, so it is MOST
likely to be the common apple, Malus sylvestris (AKA, M.
pumila -- or 'wild apple'). I suppose it could be an escaped
crab, but that seems extremely unlikely.

Jerry Stowell's "The Beginner's Guide to American Bonsai" covers
apple bonsai in some detail.

With all the collecting you do, Craig, you Really, Really need to
get a good tree ID book for the N.E. U.S.A..

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frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry
David Thoreau - Walden

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Jim Lewis wrote:

Would anyone know what species wild crabapple would be? I
collected a
couple in an abandoned pasture in Maine a couple of years ago,
and would
be interested in finding out the botanical name.


There aren't any native crabapples from Maine, so it is MOST
likely to be the common apple, Malus sylvestris (AKA, M.
pumila -- or 'wild apple'). I suppose it could be an escaped
crab, but that seems extremely unlikely.

Jerry Stowell's "The Beginner's Guide to American Bonsai" covers
apple bonsai in some detail.

With all the collecting you do, Craig, you Really, Really need to
get a good tree ID book for the N.E. U.S.A..

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is
frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry
David Thoreau - Walden

I have one--Audubon Society. It's good, but doesn't cover everything.

I was thinking it might be a sub-variety of the common apple, but wasn't
sure.

Craig Cowing
NY
Zone 5b/6a

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Would anyone know what species wild crabapple would be?

I should think an avid collector like you would have a field guide. The most
common species in the Northeast is Malus coronaria. However, there are other
species around, so you need a good monograph to be sure. Also, an abandoned
pasture might have all sorts of exotic species from apples that the cows ate.
To learn about crabapples, get Father Fiala's book.
By the way, the danger of collecting a whole tree is that you will get borers.
it may be more judicious to take an air layer. Thet is what I wish I had done.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

"Jim Lewis" wrote in message
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Would anyone know what species wild crabapple would be? I
collected a
couple in an abandoned pasture in Maine a couple of years ago,
and would
be interested in finding out the botanical name.


There aren't any native crabapples from Maine, so it is MOST
likely to be the common apple, Malus sylvestris (AKA, M.
pumila -- or 'wild apple'). I suppose it could be an escaped
crab, but that seems extremely unlikely.

According to http://plants.usda.gov those apples can be found in Maine:
Malus baccata (Siberian crabapple)
Malus prunifolia (plumleaf crabapple)
Malus pumila (paradise apple)

There aren't any native crabapples from Maine, so it is MOST
likely to be the common apple, Malus sylvestris (AKA, M.
pumila -- or 'wild apple'). I suppose it could be an escaped
crab, but that seems extremely unlikely.

According to http://plants.usda.gov those apples can be found
in Maine:
Malus baccata (Siberian crabapple)
Malus prunifolia (plumleaf crabapple)
Malus pumila (paradise apple)

None of which are native.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is
frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry
David Thoreau - Walden

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"Jim Lewis" wrote in message
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According to http://plants.usda.gov those apples can be found
in Maine:
Malus baccata (Siberian crabapple)
Malus prunifolia (plumleaf crabapple)
Malus pumila (paradise apple)

None of which are native.

Craig asked for a name not whether the tree is native. The fact that he
found it on a pasture could as well mean that it is one of the
non-native ones. That's why I said that everything Malus was a candidate
in the first place. Those three are just more likely candidates.

Luke Tulkas wrote:

Craig asked for a name not whether the tree is native. The fact that he
found it on a pasture could as well mean that it is one of the
non-native ones. That's why I said that everything Malus was a candidate
in the first place. Those three are just more likely candidates.



I looked at the leaves again, and I think it is Malus sylvestris. The leaves match
perfectly. What I didn't know was if a wild crabapple could be of this species, or
a different one. It definitely is a crabapple though. The apples on the ground
when I collected it were small and crabby.

Craig Cowing
NY
Zone 5b/6a

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Luke Tulkas wrote:

Craig asked for a name not whether the tree is native. The
fact that he
found it on a pasture could as well mean that it is one of
the
non-native ones. That's why I said that everything Malus was
a candidate
in the first place. Those three are just more likely
candidates.



I looked at the leaves again, and I think it is Malus
sylvestris. The leaves match
perfectly. What I didn't know was if a wild crabapple could be
of this species, or
a different one. It definitely is a crabapple though. The
apples on the ground
when I collected it were small and crabby.


Which they also are on a feral domestic apple. ;-)

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is
frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry
David Thoreau - Walden

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Jim Lewis wrote:

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I looked at the leaves again, and I think it is Malus
sylvestris. The leaves match
perfectly. What I didn't know was if a wild crabapple could be
of this species, or
a different one. It definitely is a crabapple though. The
apples on the ground
when I collected it were small and crabby.


Which they also are on a feral domestic apple. ;-)

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is
frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry
David Thoreau - Walden

Ok, I didn't know that. So, should I call it an apple or crabapple? It doesn't
make any difference to me. What would be most accurate?

Craig Cowing
NY
Zone 5b/6a

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Craig Cowing wrote:


...So, should I call it an apple or crabapple? It doesn't
make any difference to me. What would be most accurate?


Call it "Malus" (no more syllables than "apple).


If pressed for specifics, "Malus species"

Accurate and true


With Malus towards none, and crabapples for all,

Anita
--
Northern Harford County, Maryland, USDA zone 6
"I like winter trees against the sky, I said.
What does that say about you, she said, that you like
undressed trees. A voyeur."
-from a poem by Kay Cheever

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A crabapple is a malus with fruit *smaller* than 2 inches in diameter.

David J. Bockman, Fairfax, VA (USDA Hardiness Zone 7)
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Jim Lewis wrote:

snip
I looked at the leaves again, and I think it is Malus
sylvestris. The leaves match
perfectly. What I didn't know was if a wild crabapple could be
of this species, or
a different one. It definitely is a crabapple though. The
apples on the ground
when I collected it were small and crabby.


Which they also are on a feral domestic apple. ;-)

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is
frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry
David Thoreau - Walden

Ok, I didn't know that. So, should I call it an apple or
crabapple? It doesn't
make any difference to me. What would be most accurate?

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