Our club has been offered the opportunity to collect a 42 year old
Purple Beech Hedge before a road widening scheme goes ahead. I met with
the groundsman who originally planted them today. He was delighted that
they could possibly be rescued. Unfortunately this is going to happen in
the next few weeks, the height of summer here and it is getting
relatively warm and sunny.

There will be a JCB (digger), many club members and a car trailer
available to make collection of relatively large rootballs easy.

I'm wondering how I can increase chances of survival apart from the
usual reduction of tops, watering 'em in well and keeping part
shaded/sheltered.

Anyone have experience of collecting Fagus sylvatica especially Purpurea
out of season?

Thanks

Kev Bailey
Vale Of Clwyd, North Wales


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I don't have experience with collecting beech. But it might be advisable to
either put them under a timed mister or if not possible at least spray the
foliage with an anti-desiccant like wilt proof.

Just a suggestion.

Doug
You could send them down here to N.E. where it has been misting every day.

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I don't have experience with collecting beech. But it might be
advisable to
either put them under a timed mister or if not possible at
least spray the
foliage with an anti-desiccant like wilt proof.


I'm not familiar with the English Beech, but understand that it
takes a lot of abuse in hedges, etc. (The American beech would
not survive a summer collection, under any circumstances that _I_
can imagine.)

However, if they're gonna die anyway because of plans for the
land, what's to lose except some time and effort? I'd guess
standard emergency aftercare -- in the ground, in the shade, not
too wet -- would be called for -- plus some winter care, too,
such as poly tunnels.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - This economy
is a wholly owned subsidiary of the environment. - Gaylord
Nelson, 1995

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I will also speak from ignorance of beech growth
habits, but this is the season to defoliate and repot
other decidious trees, might this be a solution? That
is to defoliate the collected trees to match the root
mass removal?

Kitsune Miko

Who live in California and always listens to what the
tree wants instead of reading books.


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I don't have experience with collecting beech. But
it might be
advisable to
either put them under a timed mister or if not
possible at
least spray the
foliage with an anti-desiccant like wilt proof.


I'm not familiar with the English Beech, but
understand that it
takes a lot of abuse in hedges, etc. (The American
beech would
not survive a summer collection, under any
circumstances that _I_
can imagine.)

However, if they're gonna die anyway because of
plans for the
land, what's to lose except some time and effort?
I'd guess
standard emergency aftercare -- in the ground, in
the shade, not
too wet -- would be called for -- plus some winter
care, too,
such as poly tunnels.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL -
This economy
is a wholly owned subsidiary of the environment. -
Gaylord
Nelson, 1995


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Thanks all for input.

Kitsune, I believe that complete defoliation of beech is not an option
as it is one of the few deciduous species that has a single budding
period. This is why I think that drastic reduction to balance out any
root loss will be the more viable option.

As Jim said, if we don't try they will just go on the bonfire and that
seems a great pity and waste of good potential material.

Even if the percentage of success is low there will be a good 30 to 40
trunks so we may get a few to survive. I'm wondering if collecting
during summer resting would give us the best chance of success.

I'll try to get some before and after shots for the gallery and keep you
all posted.


Cheers

Kev Bailey

I will also speak from ignorance of beech growth
habits, but this is the season to defoliate and repot
other decidious trees, might this be a solution? That
is to defoliate the collected trees to match the root
mass removal?

Kitsune Miko

Who live in California and always listens to what the
tree wants instead of reading books.



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Hello,
I had heard about some difficulties with beech but like yourself was
served with a fait a compli to move some about three weeks ago - I'm
in the north of England.

These had been part of a hedge that had been planted about thirty
years and cut down to stumps fifteen years ago.

I ended up with two stumps of about 4 inches dia (that will never be
anything other than an example here and an experiment in beech care
for me) but I found a piece of root that had started to branch and has
some potential as a raft.

The main point here is that I'm not an expert but was just sensible -
cut back the foliage to balance the roots, didn't leave them lying
about to dry out- and everything I took seems fine now.

Based on my experience I would say, 'Enjoy your dig and be hopeful.'

Richard


On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:13:59 +0100, you wrote:

Thanks all for input.

Kitsune, I believe that complete defoliation of beech is not an option
as it is one of the few deciduous species that has a single budding
period. This is why I think that drastic reduction to balance out any
root loss will be the more viable option.

As Jim said, if we don't try they will just go on the bonfire and that
seems a great pity and waste of good potential material.

Even if the percentage of success is low there will be a good 30 to 40
trunks so we may get a few to survive. I'm wondering if collecting
during summer resting would give us the best chance of success.

I'll try to get some before and after shots for the gallery and keep you
all posted.


Cheers

Kev Bailey

I will also speak from ignorance of beech growth
habits, but this is the season to defoliate and repot
other decidious trees, might this be a solution? That
is to defoliate the collected trees to match the root
mass removal?

Kitsune Miko

Who live in California and always listens to what the
tree wants instead of reading books.



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You can move trees any time of the year, Root ball in summer a must,
bigger the better, and then after care with a root fungus, this fungus acts
as a root,MYCORRHIZAE,WWW.rootsinc.com, to see some large beech being
moved go look at http://www.actiontree.com/1201.html, IT CAN BE DONE

richard patefield Wrote:
Hello,
I had heard about some difficulties with beech but like yourself was
served with a fait a compli to move some about three weeks ago - I'm
in the north of England.

These had been part of a hedge that had been planted about thirty
years and cut down to stumps fifteen years ago.

I ended up with two stumps of about 4 inches dia (that will never be
anything other than an example here and an experiment in beech care
for me) but I found a piece of root that had started to branch and has
some potential as a raft.

The main point here is that I'm not an expert but was just sensible -
cut back the foliage to balance the roots, didn't leave them lying
about to dry out- and everything I took seems fine now.

Based on my experience I would say, 'Enjoy your dig and be hopeful.'

Richard


On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:13:59 +0100, you wrote:

Thanks all for input.

Kitsune, I believe that complete defoliation of beech is not an option
as it is one of the few deciduous species that has a single budding
period. This is why I think that drastic reduction to balance out any
root loss will be the more viable option.

As Jim said, if we don't try they will just go on the bonfire and that
seems a great pity and waste of good potential material.

Even if the percentage of success is low there will be a good 30 to 40
trunks so we may get a few to survive. I'm wondering if collecting
during summer resting would give us the best chance of success.

I'll try to get some before and after shots for the gallery and keep
you
all posted.


Cheers

Kev Bailey

I will also speak from ignorance of beech growth
habits, but this is the season to defoliate and repot
other decidious trees, might this be a solution? That
is to defoliate the collected trees to match the root
mass removal?

Kitsune Miko

Who live in California and always listens to what the
tree wants instead of reading books.



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You can move trees any time of the year, Root ball in summer a must,
bigger the better, and then after care with a root fungus, this fungus
acts
as a root,MYCORRHIZAE,WWW.rootsinc.com, to see some large beech being
moved go look at http://www.actiontree.com/1201.html, IT CAN BE DONE


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richard patefield Wrote:
Hello,
I had heard about some difficulties with beech but like yourself was
served with a fait a compli to move some about three weeks ago - I'm
in the north of England.

These had been part of a hedge that had been planted about thirty
years and cut down to stumps fifteen years ago.

I ended up with two stumps of about 4 inches dia (that will never be
anything other than an example here and an experiment in beech care
for me) but I found a piece of root that had started to branch and has
some potential as a raft.

The main point here is that I'm not an expert but was just sensible -
cut back the foliage to balance the roots, didn't leave them lying
about to dry out- and everything I took seems fine now.

Based on my experience I would say, 'Enjoy your dig and be hopeful.'

Richard


On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:13:59 +0100, you wrote:

Thanks all for input.

Kitsune, I believe that complete defoliation of beech is not an option
as it is one of the few deciduous species that has a single budding
period. This is why I think that drastic reduction to balance out any
root loss will be the more viable option.

As Jim said, if we don't try they will just go on the bonfire and that
seems a great pity and waste of good potential material.

Even if the percentage of success is low there will be a good 30 to 40
trunks so we may get a few to survive. I'm wondering if collecting
during summer resting would give us the best chance of success.

I'll try to get some before and after shots for the gallery and keep
you
all posted.


Cheers

Kev Bailey

I will also speak from ignorance of beech growth
habits, but this is the season to defoliate and repot
other decidious trees, might this be a solution? That
is to defoliate the collected trees to match the root
mass removal?

Kitsune Miko

Who live in California and always listens to what the
tree wants instead of reading books.



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You can move trees any time of the year, Root ball in summer a must,
bigger the better, and then after care with a root fungus, this fungus
acts
as a root,MYCORRHIZAE,WWW.rootsinc.com, to see some large beech being
moved go look at http://www.actiontree.com/1201.html, IT CAN BE DONE


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richard patefield Wrote:
Hello,
I had heard about some difficulties with beech but like yourself was
served with a fait a compli to move some about three weeks ago - I'm
in the north of England.

These had been part of a hedge that had been planted about thirty
years and cut down to stumps fifteen years ago.

I ended up with two stumps of about 4 inches dia (that will never be
anything other than an example here and an experiment in beech care
for me) but I found a piece of root that had started to branch and has
some potential as a raft.

The main point here is that I'm not an expert but was just sensible -
cut back the foliage to balance the roots, didn't leave them lying
about to dry out- and everything I took seems fine now.

Based on my experience I would say, 'Enjoy your dig and be hopeful.'

Richard


On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:13:59 +0100, you wrote:

Thanks all for input.

Kitsune, I believe that complete defoliation of beech is not an option
as it is one of the few deciduous species that has a single budding
period. This is why I think that drastic reduction to balance out any
root loss will be the more viable option.

As Jim said, if we don't try they will just go on the bonfire and that
seems a great pity and waste of good potential material.

Even if the percentage of success is low there will be a good 30 to 40
trunks so we may get a few to survive. I'm wondering if collecting
during summer resting would give us the best chance of success.

I'll try to get some before and after shots for the gallery and keep
you
all posted.


Cheers

Kev Bailey

I will also speak from ignorance of beech growth
habits, but this is the season to defoliate and repot
other decidious trees, might this be a solution? That
is to defoliate the collected trees to match the root
mass removal?

Kitsune Miko

Who live in California and always listens to what the
tree wants instead of reading books.



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acts
as a root,MYCORRHIZAE,WWW.rootsinc.com, to see some large beech being
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