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[IBC] Trident Maples in South Florida
Hello my bonsai friends,
I just received 5 Trident Maple seedlings (10 months old) that I plan to grow in the ground in South Florida. Issue 23, 1993 - 1 of 'Bonsai Today', pgs. 13 - 20 has a fantastic article on how to develop them with massive trunks, taper and radial roots in about 7 years (pre-bonsai). I figure that with luck in South Florida with our longer growing season it can be done faster. BTW: This is one of the back issues that my thoughtful wife got me for my birthday. Now my question. I assume that with our intense heat and sun in summer that these field grown trees should be put in dappled sun (not full sun)? This species is new to me; any and all suggestion would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Luis Fontanills Miami, Florida USA ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Trident Maples in South Florida
Hello my bonsai friends,
I just received 5 Trident Maple seedlings (10 months old) that I plan to grow in the ground in South Florida. Issue 23, 1993 - 1 of 'Bonsai Today', pgs. 13 - 20 has a fantastic article on how to develop them with massive trunks, taper and radial roots in about 7 years (pre-bonsai). I figure that with luck in South Florida with our longer growing season it can be done faster. BTW: This is one of the back issues that my thoughtful wife got me for my birthday. Now my question. I assume that with our intense heat and sun in summer that these field grown trees should be put in dappled sun (not full sun)? This species is new to me; any and all suggestion would be appreciated. Up in this part of Florida, I do not let them SEE the sun after 10 a.m., Luis. I exaggerate only a little. My setup pours sun onto my trees until about 10:30 a.m. in the summer; from then on, they're in shade that can only be described as "heavy" -- under a couple of oaks, a large persimmon, a big American holly, and (until I had them cut down) four 90-year-old loblolly pines. Removal of the pines increased the light for a couple of years, but the resulting denser canopies in the other trees have brought me back to shade again. With all this, my trident leaves look like the dickens by mid to late summer. I don't even _think_ of trying Japanese maples in pots any more, and my single in-the-ground Acer palmatum, also in deep shade, also has rough looking leaves by the end of the season. Only a 4-inch mame trident tends to have leaves that don't look like every leaf miner in the Western Hemisphere has been at them, and that's probably because I defoliate it up to 4 times a year to get leaf size down. (This time of year, with the oaks and the persimmon bare, they get quite a bit of light throughout the day, but that's OK as they're making new leaves now.) You have sea breezes which may ameliorate the sun situation a bit, but you've also got salt air. I think I'd go back to the old standard advice and suggest you ask someone around you who grows them; I don't recall seeing _any_ tridents at Miami Tropical Bonsai (however, I would not have been looking for them, either, so I could have walked right past and not let them register). Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry David Thoreau - Walden ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Trident Maples in South Florida
Jim:
I know you are familiar with the product Pro-Tekt: since you wrote about it having silicon etc. I just wrote to Luis and told him to check it out. I did not use it last year and my Maples looked terrible, in comparison to the year before when I did use the product. For what it is worth, I am convinced that it does help, since two years ago I had a beautiful fall with all the colors I could wish for. Last year I had Crispy leaves! :-( Never again with out Pro-tekt! This is definitely an unpaid solicitation! :-) Carl Jim Lewis wrote: Hello my bonsai friends, I just received 5 Trident Maple seedlings (10 months old) that I plan to grow in the ground in South Florida. Issue 23, 1993 - 1 of 'Bonsai Today', pgs. 13 - 20 has a fantastic article on how to develop them with massive trunks, taper and radial roots in about 7 years (pre-bonsai). I figure that with luck in South Florida with our longer growing season it can be done faster. BTW: This is one of the back issues that my thoughtful wife got me for my birthday. Now my question. I assume that with our intense heat and sun in summer that these field grown trees should be put in dappled sun (not full sun)? This species is new to me; any and all suggestion would be appreciated. Up in this part of Florida, I do not let them SEE the sun after 10 a.m., Luis. I exaggerate only a little. My setup pours sun onto my trees until about 10:30 a.m. in the summer; from then on, they're in shade that can only be described as "heavy" -- under a couple of oaks, a large persimmon, a big American holly, and (until I had them cut down) four 90-year-old loblolly pines. Removal of the pines increased the light for a couple of years, but the resulting denser canopies in the other trees have brought me back to shade again. With all this, my trident leaves look like the dickens by mid to late summer. I don't even _think_ of trying Japanese maples in pots any more, and my single in-the-ground Acer palmatum, also in deep shade, also has rough looking leaves by the end of the season. Only a 4-inch mame trident tends to have leaves that don't look like every leaf miner in the Western Hemisphere has been at them, and that's probably because I defoliate it up to 4 times a year to get leaf size down. (This time of year, with the oaks and the persimmon bare, they get quite a bit of light throughout the day, but that's OK as they're making new leaves now.) You have sea breezes which may ameliorate the sun situation a bit, but you've also got salt air. I think I'd go back to the old standard advice and suggest you ask someone around you who grows them; I don't recall seeing _any_ tridents at Miami Tropical Bonsai (however, I would not have been looking for them, either, so I could have walked right past and not let them register). ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Trident Maples in South Florida
In a message dated 3/6/2003 8:06:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
writes: Now my question. I assume that with our intense heat and sun in summer that these field grown trees should be put in dappled sun (not full sun)? This species is new to me; any and all suggestion would be appreciated. I think you will need dappled shade and nematode free soil. Billy on the Florida Space Coast ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Trident Maples in South Florida
In a message dated 3/6/2003 5:56:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
writes: In a message dated 3/6/2003 8:06:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, writes: Now my question. I assume that with our intense heat and sun in summer that these field grown trees should be put in dappled sun (not full sun)? This species is new to me; any and all suggestion would be appreciated. I think you will need dappled shade and nematode free soil. Billy on the Florida Space Coast Hi Billy, I doubt that my ground soil is nematode free, is this essential? What are the consequences for Trident Maples if there are nematodes, and wouldn't this depend on their numbers and type? Thanks, Luis Fontanills Miami, Florida USA ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Trident Maples in South Florida
Mine do fine in soil that hasn't been treated to free it of nematodes. I
planted out two cuttings that had been grown on in 1 gallon pots for a year. They are such rapid growers once they have got going that I doubt if an attack would do much other than slow them a little. A newly rooted cutting might suffer more though. They've been in for four years and are now as thick as my forearm at the base of their trunks. Ready for a chop and airlayering off some of the interesting bits of top growth. I imagine that they will grow like crazy in your climate. Wish I'd planted out more! This will be rectified later this year. Good luck Kev Bailey Vale Of Clwyd, North Wales I doubt that my ground soil is nematode free, is this essential? What are the consequences for Trident Maples if there are nematodes, and wouldn't this depend on their numbers and type? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 25/02/2003 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Trident Maples in South Florida
Hello all,
I finally got a chance to work on the 10 month old Trident Maple seedlings. They are already coming out of dormancy due to the South Florida heat. Here is what I did. Upon my request they had been sent bare-root. I took each of the 5 trees and cut lengths of trunk of about 8 inches. Each tree provided about 3 such lengths and left a 4 inch base with roots. Each of these lengths was cut at an angle at the bottom and placed in a seed tray with potting medium at an angle of 45 degrees. They were pushed to the bottom to develop good flat radial roots. The base stubs were inspected and radically cut just below the first set of roots. This was done to eliminate the tangle of roots growing down, crossing and non-radial. Two of these stubs were placed in a very shallow but wide terra-cotta pot and planted at an angle (these 2 had the best root configuration - radial). The other 3 were placed in the seed tray and planted at an angle. None were placed in the ground at this time. I will let them acclimate and generate better roots for a year and then trim again and place in the ground for accelerated growth. We shall see what success rate I get for rooting. The above was based on your assistance (IBC) and Issue 23, 1993 - 1 of 'Bonsai Today', pgs. 13 - 20. Breakdown: 14 - 8" cuttings 5 - 4" base stubs Total of 19 possible future trees out of 5 original seedlings. Luis Fontanills Miami, Florida USA ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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