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[IBC] Ciment Fondu
Try asking for High Alumina Cement. Builders supply places near me don't
stock it but get it in quickly on request. If you haven't used it before you must mix it with ordinary Portland cement to get the rapid set that you are after. Experiment with small quantities of the mix to get the setting time you want. There's more on this in the archives. Cheers Kev Bailey Vale Of Clwyd, North Wales -----Original Message----- From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of Julien LeBlanc Sent: 17 February 2004 21:12 To: Subject: [IBC] Ciment Fondu Hi, I am looking for a ciment fondu seller in the Maritimes (Canada). The ciment is used to make bonsai landscapes. (fake rocks) Any info would be appreciated. ************************************************** ********************** ******** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ********************** ******** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.588 / Virus Database: 372 - Release Date: 13/02/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.588 / Virus Database: 372 - Release Date: 13/02/2004 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Ciment Fondu
Try asking for High Alumina Cement. Builders supply places near me don't
stock it but get it in quickly on request. If you haven't used it before you must mix it with ordinary Portland cement to get the rapid set that you are after. Experiment with small quantities of the mix to get the setting time you want. There's more on this in the archives. Cheers Kev Bailey Vale Of Clwyd, North Wales -----Original Message----- From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of Julien LeBlanc Sent: 17 February 2004 21:12 To: Subject: [IBC] Ciment Fondu Hi, I am looking for a ciment fondu seller in the Maritimes (Canada). The ciment is used to make bonsai landscapes. (fake rocks) Any info would be appreciated. ************************************************** ********************** ******** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ********************** ******** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.588 / Virus Database: 372 - Release Date: 13/02/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.588 / Virus Database: 372 - Release Date: 13/02/2004 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Ciment Fondu
In a message dated 2/17/2004 4:45:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
writes: Hi, I am looking for a ciment fondu seller in the Maritimes (Canada). The ciment is used to make bonsai landscapes. (fake rocks) Any info would be appreciated. Larfarge makes an excellent product, which I have used with success. I am not familiar with Maritimes. Cordially, Michael Persiano members.aol.com/iasnob/index.html ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Ciment Fondu
I wouldn't think that the high-alumina would be necessary for making
fake rocks. I understand why it's good for making slabs (though i've done without it). For fake rocks - try hypertufa ... easily made from portland cement, peat moss or finely ground bark and sand or pearlite. The nice thing about hypertufa is after a year or so, moss will grow on it, and i don't think the high alumina stuff is going to do that. (Michael Persiano) wrote in message ... In a message dated 2/17/2004 4:45:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, writes: Hi, I am looking for a ciment fondu seller in the Maritimes (Canada). The ciment is used to make bonsai landscapes. (fake rocks) Any info would be appreciated. Larfarge makes an excellent product, which I have used with success. I am not familiar with Maritimes. Cordially, Michael Persiano members.aol.com/iasnob/index.html ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Ciment Fondu
Allen, et al.:
I suspect the inquiry results from a reading of Su Chin Ee's Creating Bonsai Landscapes, and is specific to the projects involven in that book. By and large, we are taling about fairly small scale rocks, and very specific uses. I have been following this thread with interest because I had never heard of Ciment Fondu until noting its use in the projects from this beautiful book. BTW, I have not yet started on any of these projects. First, you have to grow the trees! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 11:40 AM Subject: [IBC] Ciment Fondu I wouldn't think that the high-alumina would be necessary for making fake rocks. I understand why it's good for making slabs (though i've done without it). For fake rocks - try hypertufa ... easily made from portland cement, peat moss or finely ground bark and sand or pearlite. The nice thing about hypertufa is after a year or so, moss will grow on it, and i don't think the high alumina stuff is going to do that. (Michael Persiano) wrote in message ... In a message dated 2/17/2004 4:45:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, writes: Hi, I am looking for a ciment fondu seller in the Maritimes (Canada). The ciment is used to make bonsai landscapes. (fake rocks) Any info would be appreciated. Larfarge makes an excellent product, which I have used with success. I am not familiar with Maritimes. Cordially, Michael Persiano members.aol.com/iasnob/index.html ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Ciment Fondu
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bart Thomas" Subject: [IBC] Ciment Fondu Allen, et al.: I have been following this thread with interest because I had never heard of Ciment Fondu until noting its use in the projects from this beautiful book. Bart, I'm suprised. I thought Chase had done some work with it. If you have the BCI "Indices" you could search it. I remember several years Back when Bill V. had speakers ( Bill Jordan) who did some Ciment Fondue work. I remembr they made a tall mountain that my late friend Mel Tellus bought in the Saturday night auction. I'm sure these pics are in the old mags. Bill, what issue? Shortly after that Brussel began making/selling many sizes of slabs made from it. My old business partner and I got a couple Japanese imported fiberglass slabs and made silicone molds of them and sold them for several years until sales dropped off. I thought Brussel still made them, but, perhaps not if not in his catalog anymore. He had some huge ones.His sales of them probably started to slow down also and since they were labor intensive......they are dropped. My buddy and I got our ciment fondue from a dealer in Cleveland and, as Mike Persianno stated, it was made by Le Farge. It was pretty expensive stuff compaired to mortar., 90 pound bags as I recall, could be colored easily with mortar colors you can get at any supply store. I still have a couple "scoop pots" I made from it over window screen forms. I keep moving them around in my pot shelves in my tea house :) I made several mountains in the past which I donated for auction at some shows. . Somewhere I have pics of these. I used the window screen forms ( you could also use hardware cloth/chicken wire but you got nice bends with window screen.) and then they were made ala paper mache' by cutting strips of fiberglass auto body repai cloth, soaking them in ciment fondue and laying on. After covering you could apply several coats of CF with a brush over next few days. In using the silicone molds we simply covered an existing fiberglass imported slab with mold release and used caulk guns with 100% silicone caulk and the same fiberglass auto body strips ( for strength) to cover the slab. After it set it pulled off and we had a mold that you could lay over a small pile of sand that could be arranged to different shapes however you liked. Regards, Dale Cochoy, Wild Things Bonsai Studio, Hartville, Ohio http://www.WildThingsBonsai.Com Specializing in power wood carving tools. Yakimono no Kokoro bonsai pottery of hand-built stoneware ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Ciment Fondu
Can someone tell me what exactly cement fondue is? I know what hypertufa
is, is cf similar? -- Peter Kulibert zone 4a/5b "dalecochoy" wrote in message news:002201c3f67c$57aae120$0430fea9@dalespc... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bart Thomas" Subject: [IBC] Ciment Fondu Allen, et al.: I have been following this thread with interest because I had never heard of Ciment Fondu until noting its use in the projects from this beautiful book. Bart, I'm suprised. I thought Chase had done some work with it. If you have the BCI "Indices" you could search it. I remember several years Back when Bill V. had speakers ( Bill Jordan) who did some Ciment Fondue work. I remembr they made a tall mountain that my late friend Mel Tellus bought in the Saturday night auction. I'm sure these pics are in the old mags. Bill, what issue? Shortly after that Brussel began making/selling many sizes of slabs made from it. My old business partner and I got a couple Japanese imported fiberglass slabs and made silicone molds of them and sold them for several years until sales dropped off. I thought Brussel still made them, but, perhaps not if not in his catalog anymore. He had some huge ones.His sales of them probably started to slow down also and since they were labor intensive......they are dropped. My buddy and I got our ciment fondue from a dealer in Cleveland and, as Mike Persianno stated, it was made by Le Farge. It was pretty expensive stuff compaired to mortar., 90 pound bags as I recall, could be colored easily with mortar colors you can get at any supply store. I still have a couple "scoop pots" I made from it over window screen forms. I keep moving them around in my pot shelves in my tea house :) I made several mountains in the past which I donated for auction at some shows. . Somewhere I have pics of these. I used the window screen forms ( you could also use hardware cloth/chicken wire but you got nice bends with window screen.) and then they were made ala paper mache' by cutting strips of fiberglass auto body repai cloth, soaking them in ciment fondue and laying on. After covering you could apply several coats of CF with a brush over next few days. In using the silicone molds we simply covered an existing fiberglass imported slab with mold release and used caulk guns with 100% silicone caulk and the same fiberglass auto body strips ( for strength) to cover the slab. After it set it pulled off and we had a mold that you could lay over a small pile of sand that could be arranged to different shapes however you liked. Regards, Dale Cochoy, Wild Things Bonsai Studio, Hartville, Ohio http://www.WildThingsBonsai.Com Specializing in power wood carving tools. Yakimono no Kokoro bonsai pottery of hand-built stoneware ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Ciment Fondu
Can someone tell me what exactly cement fondue is? I know what hypertufa
is, is cf similar? -- Peter Kulibert zone 4a/5b "dalecochoy" wrote in message news:002201c3f67c$57aae120$0430fea9@dalespc... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bart Thomas" Subject: [IBC] Ciment Fondu Allen, et al.: I have been following this thread with interest because I had never heard of Ciment Fondu until noting its use in the projects from this beautiful book. Bart, I'm suprised. I thought Chase had done some work with it. If you have the BCI "Indices" you could search it. I remember several years Back when Bill V. had speakers ( Bill Jordan) who did some Ciment Fondue work. I remembr they made a tall mountain that my late friend Mel Tellus bought in the Saturday night auction. I'm sure these pics are in the old mags. Bill, what issue? Shortly after that Brussel began making/selling many sizes of slabs made from it. My old business partner and I got a couple Japanese imported fiberglass slabs and made silicone molds of them and sold them for several years until sales dropped off. I thought Brussel still made them, but, perhaps not if not in his catalog anymore. He had some huge ones.His sales of them probably started to slow down also and since they were labor intensive......they are dropped. My buddy and I got our ciment fondue from a dealer in Cleveland and, as Mike Persianno stated, it was made by Le Farge. It was pretty expensive stuff compaired to mortar., 90 pound bags as I recall, could be colored easily with mortar colors you can get at any supply store. I still have a couple "scoop pots" I made from it over window screen forms. I keep moving them around in my pot shelves in my tea house :) I made several mountains in the past which I donated for auction at some shows. . Somewhere I have pics of these. I used the window screen forms ( you could also use hardware cloth/chicken wire but you got nice bends with window screen.) and then they were made ala paper mache' by cutting strips of fiberglass auto body repai cloth, soaking them in ciment fondue and laying on. After covering you could apply several coats of CF with a brush over next few days. In using the silicone molds we simply covered an existing fiberglass imported slab with mold release and used caulk guns with 100% silicone caulk and the same fiberglass auto body strips ( for strength) to cover the slab. After it set it pulled off and we had a mold that you could lay over a small pile of sand that could be arranged to different shapes however you liked. Regards, Dale Cochoy, Wild Things Bonsai Studio, Hartville, Ohio http://www.WildThingsBonsai.Com Specializing in power wood carving tools. Yakimono no Kokoro bonsai pottery of hand-built stoneware ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Ciment Fondu
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bart Thomas" Subject: [IBC] Ciment Fondu Allen, et al.: I have been following this thread with interest because I had never heard of Ciment Fondu until noting its use in the projects from this beautiful book. Bart, I'm suprised. I thought Chase had done some work with it. If you have the BCI "Indices" you could search it. I remember several years Back when Bill V. had speakers ( Bill Jordan) who did some Ciment Fondue work. I remembr they made a tall mountain that my late friend Mel Tellus bought in the Saturday night auction. I'm sure these pics are in the old mags. There's a detailed how-to article on Colin Lewis' site. http://www.btinternet.com/~colinlewi...ng/Cement.html Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it should have - Paul Bigelow Sears. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Ciment Fondu
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bart Thomas" Subject: [IBC] Ciment Fondu Allen, et al.: I have been following this thread with interest because I had never heard of Ciment Fondu until noting its use in the projects from this beautiful book. Bart, I'm suprised. I thought Chase had done some work with it. If you have the BCI "Indices" you could search it. I remember several years Back when Bill V. had speakers ( Bill Jordan) who did some Ciment Fondue work. I remembr they made a tall mountain that my late friend Mel Tellus bought in the Saturday night auction. I'm sure these pics are in the old mags. There's a detailed how-to article on Colin Lewis' site. http://www.btinternet.com/~colinlewi...ng/Cement.html Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it should have - Paul Bigelow Sears. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Ciment Fondu
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bart Thomas" Subject: [IBC] Ciment Fondu Allen, et al.: I have been following this thread with interest because I had never heard of Ciment Fondu until noting its use in the projects from this beautiful book. Bart, I'm suprised. I thought Chase had done some work with it. If you have the BCI "Indices" you could search it. I remember several years Back when Bill V. had speakers ( Bill Jordan) who did some Ciment Fondue work. I remembr they made a tall mountain that my late friend Mel Tellus bought in the Saturday night auction. I'm sure these pics are in the old mags. There's a detailed how-to article on Colin Lewis' site. http://www.btinternet.com/~colinlewi...ng/Cement.html Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it should have - Paul Bigelow Sears. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Ciment Fondu
There's a detailed how-to article on Colin Lewis' site.
http://www.btinternet.com/~colinlewi...ng/Cement.html Colin's tutorial is excellent apart from missing out the advice I gave in my previous post. Don't forget to add the magic ingredient - a proportion of Ordinary Cement, or the rapid set is not achieved. Kev Bailey --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 17/02/2004 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Ciment Fondu
There's a detailed how-to article on Colin Lewis' site.
http://www.btinternet.com/~colinlewi...ng/Cement.html Colin's tutorial is excellent apart from missing out the advice I gave in my previous post. Don't forget to add the magic ingredient - a proportion of Ordinary Cement, or the rapid set is not achieved. Kev Bailey --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.591 / Virus Database: 374 - Release Date: 17/02/2004 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Ciment Fondu
Hi Kevin. You graciously write,
Don't forget to add the magic ingredient - a proportion of Ordinary Cement, or the rapid set is not achieved When my bonsai club created a ciment fondue slabs, they set for at least 24 hours. We might well have used Portland cement-- I would guess that we did. Is there advantage to rapid-setting other than being "rapid?" Perhaps 24 hour setting is rapid though it would seem painfully slow for curing our thin pours. It was a great club project for team building. Every detail had its importance. The product was awesome-- really satisfying. Too good for my poor bonsai. I've been enjoying the slab for years as a garden element which has wonderful seasons. Lichen love it! The sand we used was carefully selected-- sharp & relatively fine, as I recall. That seemed IMPORTANT at the time as well as not adding too much water. I'd jump at the opportunity to create another. Best wishes, Chris... C. Cochrane, , Richmond VA USA ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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