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[IBC] Unattended Pre-Bonsai -- possible?
Your chances are 0. Unless you can water regularly for the first few weeks,
your seedlings won't stand a chance to survive. Even if you do get someone to provide early watering, the CA climate will surely do them in. Marty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Campbell" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 11:21 PM Subject: [IBC] Unattended Pre-Bonsai -- possible? Hi: My family owns undeveloped property outside of Visalia, California. I asked Mom (the owner) if I could put some pre-bonsia in the ground. She thinks that the trees would die due to lack of attention ( it's 6 hours away). It's hot in the summer and may get some snow in winter. My plan to put hardy local types up there (oak, pepper, juniper, pine, sequoia, etc) that have nice rootballs in well prepared beds. I could visit 2-4 times a year. Certainly, I need to do much more research ... What does the group thinks my chances of success might be? Thank You bob campbell zone 7 Fremont CA ps: I read the group via usenet if that matters, the email address is valid and heavily filtered. ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Unattended Pre-Bonsai -- possible?
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Your chances are 0. Unless you can water regularly for the first few weeks, your seedlings won't stand a chance to survive. Even if you do get someone to provide early watering, the CA climate will surely do them in. Marty Well, not quite zero. Like Billy said, if you plant trees native to that area in EARLY spring, the snowmelt and spring rains MIGHT be enough. Also, if you plant large enough pre-bonsai -- 5 gallon pots or more, dig large, SHALLOW holes 3X diameter of 5-gal (or whatever) pot and no deeper than pot depth and fill with Good Topsoil and sphagnum moss (50/50) you may get better survival. Bigger plants mean a larger loss, though. It will be iffy. Is there a friendly neighbor? Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it should have - Paul Bigelow Sears. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Unattended Pre-Bonsai -- possible?
A hefty layer of mulch may also help. It won't retain moisture that
isn't there in the first place however. I guess you aint going to know till you try it. Richard On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:20:11 -0400, you wrote: Your chances are 0. Unless you can water regularly for the first few weeks, your seedlings won't stand a chance to survive. Even if you do get someone to provide early watering, the CA climate will surely do them in. Marty Well, not quite zero. Like Billy said, if you plant trees native to that area in EARLY spring, the snowmelt and spring rains MIGHT be enough. Also, if you plant large enough pre-bonsai -- 5 gallon pots or more, dig large, SHALLOW holes 3X diameter of 5-gal (or whatever) pot and no deeper than pot depth and fill with Good Topsoil and sphagnum moss (50/50) you may get better survival. Bigger plants mean a larger loss, though. It will be iffy. Is there a friendly neighbor? Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it should have - Paul Bigelow Sears. ************************************************* ******************************* ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************* ******************************* -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Unattended Pre-Bonsai -- possible?
At 03:21 AM 6/24/04 +0000, Robert Campbell wrote:
Hi: My family owns undeveloped property outside of Visalia, California. I asked Mom (the owner) if I could put some pre-bonsia in the ground. She thinks that the trees would die due to lack of attention ( it's 6 hours away). It's hot in the summer and may get some snow in winter. My plan to put hardy local types up there (oak, pepper, juniper, pine, sequoia, etc) that have nice rootballs in well prepared beds. I could visit 2-4 times a year. Certainly, I need to do much more research ... What does the group thinks my chances of success might be? Bob Put me in the near zero chance group. If you don't have any way to actively irrigate these plants on a regular basis, they will almost certainly die. Even native plants have strategies for survival that you probably won't be able to duplicate. Native plants in our arid climate have very narrow environmental ranges and even hundreds of them die for every one that succeeds. It truly remarkable that anything survives around here in the summer. We are talking about daytime summer temperatures that are rarely below 80 and can go as high as 115, with low humidity, endless sun, and the kicker is that there is usually NO measureable rainfall from June (and sometimes even March!) until November. Soil can be bone dry to 20 feet down by late summer. I'm not real familiar with Visalia, but I don't think they get snow there, at least not more a spot or two of wet snow that is gone within hours. With irrigation, and someone around to make sure it is working, you could of course grow a lot plants that could tolerate that level of sunlight. Brent in Northern California Evergreen Gardenworks USDA Zone 8 Sunset Zone 14 http://www.EvergreenGardenworks.com ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Unattended Pre-Bonsai -- possible?
I'm way closer to Visalia than any of the responders, and I agree with Brent. ZERO. No one even mentioned the "critters" and believe me, if it's green, even for a little while, the deer --will-- make it disappear. I had some land up by Don Pedro, and e
ven with drip irrigation, only one tree in five survived more than one year, and those were from 15 gallon pots. Rotsa-Ruck. Shelly Hurd Central CA - Sunset Zone 8-USDA Zone 9 ----- Original Message ----- From: Evergreen Gardenworks To: Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:29 AM Subject: [IBC] Unattended Pre-Bonsai -- possible? At 03:21 AM 6/24/04 +0000, Robert Campbell wrote: Hi: My family owns undeveloped property outside of Visalia, California. I asked Mom (the owner) if I could put some pre-bonsia in the ground. She thinks that the trees would die due to lack of attention ( it's 6 hours away). It's hot in the summer and may get some snow in winter. My plan to put hardy local types up there (oak, pepper, juniper, pine, sequoia, etc) that have nice rootballs in well prepared beds. I could visit 2-4 times a year. Certainly, I need to do much more research ... What does the group thinks my chances of success might be? Bob Put me in the near zero chance group. If you don't have any way to actively irrigate these plants on a regular basis, they will almost certainly die. Even native plants have strategies for survival that you probably won't be able to duplicate. Native plants in our arid climate have very narrow environmental ranges and even hundreds of them die for every one that succeeds. It truly remarkable that anything survives around here in the summer. We are talking about daytime summer temperatures that are rarely below 80 and can go as high as 115, with low humidity, endless sun, and the kicker is that there is usually NO measureable rainfall from June (and sometimes even March!) until November. Soil can be bone dry to 20 feet down by late summer. I'm not real familiar with Visalia, but I don't think they get snow there, at least not more a spot or two of wet snow that is gone within hours. With irrigation, and someone around to make sure it is working, you could of course grow a lot plants that could tolerate that level of sunlight. Brent in Northern California Evergreen Gardenworks USDA Zone 8 Sunset Zone 14 http://www.EvergreenGardenworks.com ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Unattended Pre-Bonsai -- possible?
All is not lost. Perhaps there are collectables on
Granny's land. Growing in the ground has advantages and disadvantages. The major disadvantage is having the feeder roots way down there. I have a growing ground that has had top pruning and side root pruning with a sharp shovel. I went to dig some up and found that the trees where I thought I had removed the tap root had developed new taps that may reach China. This is in wet soil. I now have the project of promoting roots higher up before removal from ground to pots. We are digging down on one side of the tree, scratching bark, applying rooting hormones and filling with more porous soils. I did this with an oak donated by the squirrels and it worked quite well. Kitsune Miko ===== "I was born with a birth defect-- no herd instinct." Brenda Ueland ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Unattended Pre-Bonsai -- possible?
i do a similar thing with only
occasional watering ---- junipers , mugo pine and tamarack , but the midwest has only a summer drought of a few weeks mostly and a late winter frost period where lack of moisture can hurt. Jim W zone 4 wisconsin/ illinois ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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