Hi Everybody

About four years back I bought a Candle Tree plant from Ratna Dave in Mumbai. I was training it into a simple informal right style. One fine morning, in a storm blew up and the upper part above the first branch broke up. Over a period of time, the first branch grew about a meter long. I trained it into a beautiful Cascade style with very good rhythmic fall. But sadly it neither flowered nor the fascinating Candles appeared over it. Can anybody tell how should I stimulate it to bloom and produce Candles?

Anil Kaushik
Bonsai Club (India)
Chandigarh "The City Beautiful"

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what is the botanical name for this tree, or another local , common name, i
am not able to recognize it.
ovais
karachi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anil Kaushik"
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 8:21 AM
Subject: [IBC] Candle Tree


Hi Everybody

About four years back I bought a Candle Tree plant from Ratna Dave in
Mumbai. I was training it into a simple informal right style. One fine
morning, in a storm blew up and the upper part above the first branch broke
up. Over a period of time, the first branch grew about a meter long. I
trained it into a beautiful Cascade style with very good rhythmic fall. But
sadly it neither flowered nor the fascinating Candles appeared over it. Can
anybody tell how should I stimulate it to bloom and produce Candles?

Anil Kaushik
Bonsai Club (India)
Chandigarh "The City Beautiful"


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what is the botanical name for this tree, or another local , common name, i
am not able to recognize it.
ovais
karachi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anil Kaushik"
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 8:21 AM
Subject: [IBC] Candle Tree


Hi Everybody

About four years back I bought a Candle Tree plant from Ratna Dave in
Mumbai. I was training it into a simple informal right style. One fine
morning, in a storm blew up and the upper part above the first branch broke
up. Over a period of time, the first branch grew about a meter long. I
trained it into a beautiful Cascade style with very good rhythmic fall. But
sadly it neither flowered nor the fascinating Candles appeared over it. Can
anybody tell how should I stimulate it to bloom and produce Candles?

Anil Kaushik
Bonsai Club (India)
Chandigarh "The City Beautiful"


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Ovais

It is Permenteria sp. I wander if I spelled it correctly.

Anil Kaushik
Bonsai Club (India)
Chandigarh


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ovais"
To: "Anil Kaushik" ;
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:07 AM
Subject: [IBC] Candle Tree


what is the botanical name for this tree, or another local , common name,
i
am not able to recognize it.
ovais
karachi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anil Kaushik"
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 8:21 AM
Subject: [IBC] Candle Tree


Hi Everybody

About four years back I bought a Candle Tree plant from Ratna Dave in
Mumbai. I was training it into a simple informal right style. One fine
morning, in a storm blew up and the upper part above the first branch
broke
up. Over a period of time, the first branch grew about a meter long. I
trained it into a beautiful Cascade style with very good rhythmic fall.
But
sadly it neither flowered nor the fascinating Candles appeared over it.
Can
anybody tell how should I stimulate it to bloom and produce Candles?

Anil Kaushik
Bonsai Club (India)
Chandigarh "The City Beautiful"



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Ovais

It is Permenteria sp. I wander if I spelled it correctly.

Anil Kaushik
Bonsai Club (India)
Chandigarh


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ovais"
To: "Anil Kaushik" ;
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:07 AM
Subject: [IBC] Candle Tree


what is the botanical name for this tree, or another local , common name,
i
am not able to recognize it.
ovais
karachi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anil Kaushik"
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 8:21 AM
Subject: [IBC] Candle Tree


Hi Everybody

About four years back I bought a Candle Tree plant from Ratna Dave in
Mumbai. I was training it into a simple informal right style. One fine
morning, in a storm blew up and the upper part above the first branch
broke
up. Over a period of time, the first branch grew about a meter long. I
trained it into a beautiful Cascade style with very good rhythmic fall.
But
sadly it neither flowered nor the fascinating Candles appeared over it.
Can
anybody tell how should I stimulate it to bloom and produce Candles?

Anil Kaushik
Bonsai Club (India)
Chandigarh "The City Beautiful"



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Ovais

This a native plant of some Latin American country and the common name that
I know is "Candle Tree". Of course its botanical name is "Parmentiera
cereifera". The beauty of this plant is that, unlike in other plants, its
legumes grow upwards like Candles. Where as all legume like fruit or seed
pods dangle downwards.

Regards

Anil Kaushik
Bonsai Club (India)
Chandigarh "The City Beautiful"


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ovais"
To: "Anil Kaushik"
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 11:56 AM
Subject: Candle Tree


dear Anil, what do they call it locally, the Indian name. regards
ovais
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anil Kaushik"
To: "Ovais"
Cc:
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:33 AM
Subject: [IBC] Candle Tree


Ovais

It is Permenteria sp. I wander if I spelled it correctly.

Anil Kaushik
Bonsai Club (India)
Chandigarh


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ovais"
To: "Anil Kaushik" ;

Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:07 AM
Subject: [IBC] Candle Tree


what is the botanical name for this tree, or another local , common
name,
i
am not able to recognize it.
ovais
karachi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anil Kaushik"
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 8:21 AM
Subject: [IBC] Candle Tree


Hi Everybody

About four years back I bought a Candle Tree plant from Ratna Dave
in
Mumbai. I was training it into a simple informal right style. One
fine
morning, in a storm blew up and the upper part above the first branch
broke
up. Over a period of time, the first branch grew about a meter long.

I
trained it into a beautiful Cascade style with very good rhythmic
fall.
But
sadly it neither flowered nor the fascinating Candles appeared over
it.
Can
anybody tell how should I stimulate it to bloom and produce Candles?

Anil Kaushik
Bonsai Club (India)
Chandigarh "The City Beautiful"





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Ovais

This a native plant of some Latin American country and the common name that
I know is "Candle Tree". Of course its botanical name is "Parmentiera
cereifera". The beauty of this plant is that, unlike in other plants, its
legumes grow upwards like Candles. Where as all legume like fruit or seed
pods dangle downwards.

Regards

Anil Kaushik
Bonsai Club (India)
Chandigarh "The City Beautiful"


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ovais"
To: "Anil Kaushik"
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 11:56 AM
Subject: Candle Tree


dear Anil, what do they call it locally, the Indian name. regards
ovais
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anil Kaushik"
To: "Ovais"
Cc:
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:33 AM
Subject: [IBC] Candle Tree


Ovais

It is Permenteria sp. I wander if I spelled it correctly.

Anil Kaushik
Bonsai Club (India)
Chandigarh


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ovais"
To: "Anil Kaushik" ;

Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:07 AM
Subject: [IBC] Candle Tree


what is the botanical name for this tree, or another local , common
name,
i
am not able to recognize it.
ovais
karachi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anil Kaushik"
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 8:21 AM
Subject: [IBC] Candle Tree


Hi Everybody

About four years back I bought a Candle Tree plant from Ratna Dave
in
Mumbai. I was training it into a simple informal right style. One
fine
morning, in a storm blew up and the upper part above the first branch
broke
up. Over a period of time, the first branch grew about a meter long.

I
trained it into a beautiful Cascade style with very good rhythmic
fall.
But
sadly it neither flowered nor the fascinating Candles appeared over
it.
Can
anybody tell how should I stimulate it to bloom and produce Candles?

Anil Kaushik
Bonsai Club (India)
Chandigarh "The City Beautiful"





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Hello Anil, I found your discription very interesting, so I did search
on Web for botanical name...

This a native plant of some Latin American country and the common name that
I know is "Candle Tree". Of course its botanical name is "Parmentiera
cereifera". The beauty of this plant is that, unlike in other plants, its
legumes grow upwards like Candles. Where as all legume like fruit or seed
pods dangle downwards.

I find this site and others with good pictures:
http://www.tradewindsfruit.com/candle_stick_tree.htm
and they all show its fruits hanging *downwards* like candles that
have just been dipped. If you have ever made candles by hand, they
look exactly like this! And their size is up to 12 inches long, good
size for a candle, but very large for a bonsai

Also, the fruits and flowers seem to appear only on the heavy trunks
(cauliflorous, Nina is that the right word?), so perhaps yours is
simply not old enough to have flowers. Or the flower buds might be
easily rubbed off, or mistaken for insects and removed...

It is said to be closely related to Jaboticaba, which is often used
for bonsai. Some of the cultural hints for this plant's flowering
might also help your Candle Tree.

Good luck with it!
Anita
Northern Harford County, Maryland, USDA zone 6

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Hello Anil, I found your discription very interesting, so I did search
on Web for botanical name...

This a native plant of some Latin American country and the common name that
I know is "Candle Tree". Of course its botanical name is "Parmentiera
cereifera". The beauty of this plant is that, unlike in other plants, its
legumes grow upwards like Candles. Where as all legume like fruit or seed
pods dangle downwards.

I find this site and others with good pictures:
http://www.tradewindsfruit.com/candle_stick_tree.htm
and they all show its fruits hanging *downwards* like candles that
have just been dipped. If you have ever made candles by hand, they
look exactly like this! And their size is up to 12 inches long, good
size for a candle, but very large for a bonsai

Also, the fruits and flowers seem to appear only on the heavy trunks
(cauliflorous, Nina is that the right word?), so perhaps yours is
simply not old enough to have flowers. Or the flower buds might be
easily rubbed off, or mistaken for insects and removed...

It is said to be closely related to Jaboticaba, which is often used
for bonsai. Some of the cultural hints for this plant's flowering
might also help your Candle Tree.

Good luck with it!
Anita
Northern Harford County, Maryland, USDA zone 6

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(Anita Hawkins) wrote in message
Also, the fruits and flowers seem to appear only on the heavy trunks
(cauliflorous, Nina is that the right word?)

It is indeed. I checked it in the "Royal Horticultural Society Index
of Garden Plants", compiled by Mark Griffiths and published by Timber
Press. This is an extremely handy book; not only does it list the
most correct name for most plants (and includes a common name index,
so if you look up "Candle tree", you get Parmentiera cereifera), but
it includes an awesome glossary of botanical terms. I always forget
the difference between sympodial and monopodial, and obovate and
ovate, and serrate and serrulate, but this book suuplies definitions
and handy picture. I can't remember what it cost, but it wasn't
outrageous.

Nina

Hello Anita

Thank you for giving all the information. I could lay my hands on a three
years old Magzine with an article showing two colour photographs. Yes you
are right the fruit of this plant is shown "hanging downwards". But when I
bought this plant I was told that this is the only plant whoes legume like
fruit grows upright and looks like a candle. I was facinated and quickly
bought the plant. Anyways I am sending you a picture of this plant.

Anil Kaushik
Bonsai Club (India)
Chandigarh "The City Beautiful"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anita Hawkins"
To: "Anil Kaushik"
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 7:36 AM
Subject: [IBC] Candle Tree


Hello Anil, I found your description very interesting, so I did search
on Web for botanical name...

This a native plant of some Latin American country and the common name
that
I know is "Candle Tree". Of course its botanical name is "Parmentiera
cereifera". The beauty of this plant is that, unlike in other plants,
its
legumes grow upwards like Candles. Where as all legume like fruit or
seed
pods dangle downwards.

I find this site and others with good pictures:
http://www.tradewindsfruit.com/candle_stick_tree.htm
and they all show its fruits hanging *downwards* like candles that
have just been dipped. If you have ever made candles by hand, they
look exactly like this! And their size is up to 12 inches long, good
size for a candle, but very large for a bonsai

Also, the fruits and flowers seem to appear only on the heavy trunks
(cauliflorous, Nina is that the right word?), so perhaps yours is
simply not old enough to have flowers. Or the flower buds might be
easily rubbed off, or mistaken for insects and removed...

It is said to be closely related to Jaboticaba, which is often used
for bonsai. Some of the cultural hints for this plant's flowering
might also help your Candle Tree.

Good luck with it!
Anita
Northern Harford County, Maryland, USDA zone 6





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