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That ( below) was well said Mike, and I'm sure many feel this way. One
thing I might add , since I've also been to his place as many on tours have, we normally only see the wildest, splashiest trees in magazines and even his own book. ( he also had Japanese books before it was done in English, and, I've seen a Japanese tape with his creations ), but, when at his house, I'd have to say that by far what you see are classical or variations of classical trees styling You will see and regognize some of the wild ones you've seen in magazines ( which I LOVE BTW) but mostly you stand there with your mouth open looking at wonderful , lets say, "non-wild" creations/styling. further.... Well, actually, there is no further...I'm just sitting here chuckling at a critique of Mr. Kimura's tree styling practices ......by Jim Lewis??? :) Regards, Dale Cochoy, Wild Things Bonsai Studio, Hartville, Ohio http://www.WildThingsBonsai.Com Specializing in power wood carving tools. Yakimono no Kokoro bonsai pottery of hand-built stoneware ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Persiano" To: Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 9:20 PM Subject: [IBC] TRUE greatness In a message dated 10/23/2004 6:39:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, writes: I visited and had tea at Kimura's studio with NBF. It was an over-whelming experience - the trees had the power to confuse my response to their styling - was it grotesque? was it a greater passion than I experience in most arts? was it one man whose trees express a love of the creative technique beyond most? I think a critique of Kimura lies beyond me - very far beyond. I am glad he is among us, he is a reflection that dazzles or escapes one. Friends: I can think of no other artist on the planet who inspires me more to create my work. Is it that he goes to far, or is it that he goes further than most could ever hope to travel within the art? Are his trees overdone, or are his trees expressing the essence of the art, i.e., bonsai as a suggestion rather than a reflection of nature? Without individuals like Kimura who are pushing the ceiling of the art, we are surely doomed to mediocrity. Cordially, Michael Persiano members.aol.com/iasnob ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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dalecochoy wrote:
..I'm just sitting here chuckling at a critique of Mr. Kimura's tree styling practices ......by Jim Lewis??? :) Personally, I would prefer a more developed style of critique - referencing historical, cultural and economic contexts as well as the aesthetic. Perhaps someone could comment in more detail the ways in which these trees are 'problems'. Or point me to a text that can explain more. Who are the critics of this art? Its always been my view that those who can afford to patronise artists get to decide who the geniuses are not the humble observers of the finished artifacts. Richard ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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From: "Richard Patefield" Subject: [IBC] TRUE greatness Its always been my view that those who can afford to patronise artists get to decide who the geniuses are not the humble observers of the finished artifacts. Richard Richard, That is a very interesting, and I guess, I feel ...accurate statement. It sure explains the buying/selling frenzy with designer clothes, watches, purses, shoes, cars, watches, art, etc. etc. I think you are onto something there! Andy Warhol saw this long ago. The tomato soup can is great art... if you are running with the right crowd! :) Dale ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Patefield" Subject: [IBC] TRUE greatness Its always been my view that those who can afford to patronise artists get to decide who the geniuses are not the humble observers of the finished artifacts. Richard Richard, That is a very interesting, and I guess, I feel ...accurate statement. It sure explains the buying/selling frenzy with designer clothes, watches, purses, shoes, cars, watches, art, etc. etc. I think you are onto something there! Andy Warhol saw this long ago. The tomato soup can is great art... if you are running with the right crowd! :) Dale ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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On 25 Oct 2004 at 13:49, Richard Patefield wrote:
dalecochoy wrote: ..I'm just sitting here chuckling at a critique of Mr. Kimura's tree styling practices ......by Jim Lewis??? :) Personally, I would prefer a more developed style of critique - referencing historical, cultural and economic contexts as well as the aesthetic. Perhaps someone could comment in more detail the ways in which these trees are 'problems'. Or point me to a text that can explain more. Who are the critics of this art? Its always been my view that those who can afford to patronise artists get to decide who the geniuses are not the humble observers of the finished artifacts. Well, I don't know what Dale was referring to, but I wasn't really "critiquing." I simply don't like his overly ornate trees. Period. I like trees that appear to be styled by Ma Nature -- not a Waring blender. And specifically, I also thought the trees in that BT article reprint were poor examples of his work. Fine art critics notwithstanding, one really shouldn't "critique" until one can "do" as well as the putative critiquee; and I have never made that claim, and likely never will. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Bonsaiests are like genealogists: We know our roots! ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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dalecochoy wrote:
..I'm just sitting here chuckling at a critique of Mr. Kimura's tree styling practices ......by Jim Lewis??? :) Personally, I would prefer a more developed style of critique - referencing historical, cultural and economic contexts as well as the aesthetic. Perhaps someone could comment in more detail the ways in which these trees are 'problems'. Or point me to a text that can explain more. Who are the critics of this art? Its always been my view that those who can afford to patronise artists get to decide who the geniuses are not the humble observers of the finished artifacts. Richard ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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