Hi Jim

Jim Lewis wrote:

SNIP
Use manure via the compost pile or by making "manure tea."

Rodale give this formula for manure tea:

Place one or two shovelfuls of raw manure into permeable bag
(the finer the weave the better). Burlap is good. Tie the bag
closed and place in a barrel or other large container filled
with water. Steep for about a week (2 weeks is OK).

Use full strength as a fertilizer applied alone, like every 2
weeks or so). Or, dilute it and use it when you water your
trees.
$ what a mess what a stink ...
I use rotten egg shells with or 1 albumen albumen mixed in 2
gallons of water

When the mix is mature after two weeks of rottening ,stinks a lot ,
has to be diluted in I dulite 1:10 and give water is excellent

Here's a table (again courtesy of Rodale) showing the NPK
analysis (percentages) of "typical" manures.

Chicken 1.1 - 0.8 - 0.5
this is the very best one to avoid long internodes

Cow 0.6 - 0.2 - 0.5
Duck 0.6 - 1.4 - 0.5
Horse 0.7 - 0.3 - 0.6
Pig 0.5 - 0.3 - 0.5
Rabbit 2.4 - 1.4 - 0.6
Sheep 0.7 - 0.3 - 0.9
Steer 0.7 - 0.3 - 0.4

I have no idea why "steer" is different from "cow" (fertilizer-
wise, I mean.) ;-)

Steer stomach contains more acidity and was in old time used to

make cheese fermantion and was taken from Steers ..


nothing is wasted in nature all is recicled for the next chain and
theh wheel turns

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I don't know if this goes with the subject but my dad puts fish guts and sometimes squid from fishing in the blender then puts the mulch in between the soil of his plants. After some time his ficus tree is has bloom so much it's unbelievable. Can this be used for our plants?

Tony
Huntington Beach, CA

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From: "Billy M. Rhodes"
Sent: 2/9/05 2:36:48
To: "
Subject: [IBC] Animal fertilizer

In a message dated 2/9/2005 4:11:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
writes:

Excreta of HERBEVOROUS animals is good manure provided it is well rotted.
It is used more as a buffer to improve the texture and quality of the soil,
than as a
fertilizer. But if it is not well rotted, it can be equally bad. While it
rots, it releases toxins which can be extremely harmful to the roots.

Anil Kaushik

Can you be more specific concerning the "toxins?" I know that:
1. depending upon the diet of the animal and possibly how the
manure is collected their may be "salts" in the manure that would need to
leach out in a compost pile.
2. fresh manure, as it breaks down, can draw nitrogen from
the soil instead of adding to it.
3. some manure (chicken, but I wouldn't think ruminants) can
contain too much nitrate and that can burn plants and roots.

Billy on the Florida Space Coast

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Ante Busko wrote:

I don't know if this goes with the subject but my dad puts fish guts and sometimes squid from fishing in the blender then puts the mulch in between the soil of his plants. After some time his ficus tree is has bloom so much it's unbelievable. Can this be used for our plants?

well you can buy fish emulsion processed and the green one that is
not stinking ...
so maybe what your dad does is the same with stink in plus...
rottening proteines is an excellent fertilizer

Tony
Huntington Beach, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: "Billy M. Rhodes"
Sent: 2/9/05 2:36:48
To: "
Subject: [IBC] Animal fertilizer

In a message dated 2/9/2005 4:11:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
writes:

Excreta of HERBEVOROUS animals is good manure provided it is well rotted.
It is used more as a buffer to improve the texture and quality of the soil,
than as a
fertilizer. But if it is not well rotted, it can be equally bad. While it
rots, it releases toxins which can be extremely harmful to the roots.

Anil Kaushik

Can you be more specific concerning the "toxins?" I know that:
1. depending upon the diet of the animal and possibly how the
manure is collected their may be "salts" in the manure that would need to
leach out in a compost pile.
2. fresh manure, as it breaks down, can draw nitrogen from
the soil instead of adding to it.
3. some manure (chicken, but I wouldn't think ruminants) can
contain too much nitrate and that can burn plants and roots.

Billy on the Florida Space Coast

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In a message dated 2/11/2005 9:54:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
writes:

I don't know if this goes with the subject but my dad puts fish guts and
sometimes squid from fishing in the blender then puts the mulch in between the
soil of his plants.

This could really stink and attract all kinds of critters, but will
work as fertilizer. If the fish are from salt water (as far as I know squid are
only found in salt water) make sure you use plenty of fresh water to avoid too
much salt in your soil.

After some time his Ficus tree is has bloom so much it's unbelievable.

Although Ficus do bloom, the flowers are inside the fig where they are
pollinated by a wasp. Are you sure it is a Ficus. Although it really doesn't
matter. Fish fertilizer you remember is what tradition says the Native
Americans taught the first New England colonists to use as fertilizer.
Can this be
used for our plants?



Billy on the Florida Space Coast

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Billy M. Rhodes wrote:

In a message dated 2/11/2005 9:54:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
writes:


I don't know if this goes with the subject but my dad puts fish guts and
sometimes squid from fishing in the blender then puts the mulch in between the
soil of his plants.


This could really stink and attract all kinds of critters, but will
work as fertilizer. If the fish are from salt water (as far as I know squid are
only found in salt water) make sure you use plenty of fresh water to avoid too
much salt in your soil.

After some time his Ficus tree is has bloom so much it's unbelievable.

Although Ficus do bloom, the flowers are inside the fig where they are
pollinated by a wasp. Are you sure it is a Ficus. Although it really doesn't
matter. Fish fertilizer you remember is what tradition says the Native
Americans taught the first New England colonists to use as fertilizer.

How interesting so freshwater fish as well

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Dear All

can you post some pictures on , how to display Bonsai`s.
I have a back yard which is 24x60 feet with some trees at the back wall, and
want to display/keep Bonsai/potensai for regular maintenance and easy access
and viewing in a neat and presentable manner, mainly for myself.

ovais
Karachi
Pakistan Bonsai So.

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On 13 Feb 2005 at 3:27, Ovais wrote:

Dear All

can you post some pictures on , how to display Bonsai`s.
I have a back yard which is 24x60 feet with some trees at the back wall, and
want to display/keep Bonsai/potensai for regular maintenance and easy access
and viewing in a neat and presentable manner, mainly for myself.

Well, the list won't allow pictures, but if you ask at the IBC
galleries (get to them via the address below) I'm sure you'll
get responses.

Jim Lewis - - This economy is a wholly
owned subsidiary of the environment. - Gaylord Nelson

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Hi check the gallery on my site
www.pfmbonsai.com
Pauline Muth
Zone 4

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From: Internet Bonsai Club ]On Behalf
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Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 6:27 AM
To:
Subject: [IBC] Bonsai Display/keeping


Dear All

can you post some pictures on , how to display Bonsai`s.
I have a back yard which is 24x60 feet with some trees at the back wall, and
want to display/keep Bonsai/potensai for regular maintenance and easy access
and viewing in a neat and presentable manner, mainly for myself.

ovais
Karachi
Pakistan Bonsai So.

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