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I live in south Texas and would love to grow some graventastein apples.
Could any of you tell me if its possible in the part of the country ? I
have been here en years and have never seen nor heard about any grown
here. Would love to have them growing in my back yard. Thank you kindly,
kate


Check he

http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/e...ple/apple.html

http://www.usna.usda.gov/Hardzone/hzm-sm1.html

http://www.sunset.com/sunset/web/Spo...nrovia_r1/html
files/zone_map5.html

Mind the wrap.

I grow Anna, Ein Shemer, and Pink Ladys. I'm in USDA Zone 10B/Sunset
Zone 23. You're probably too far south to grow Gravensteins.

Bill

sherwindu wrote:
Hi Kate,
My references show Gravenstein growable in zones 2 to 9. Northern Texas is in
zone 7, central zone 8, and southern zone 9. Seems like you should be able to grow this apple,
unless you are at the very southern most tip of Texas which is in
zone 10. I think it is worth a try.



Thats where I am. And as I said before, we are in very drought conditions . Which would require a lot of watering.

I understand that. Thanks, anyway. kate











Kate wrote:


I live in south Texas and would love to grow some graventastein apples.
Could any of you tell me if its possible in the part of the country ? I
have been here en years and have never seen nor heard about any grown
here. Would love to have them growing in my back yard. Thank you kindly,
kate

Steve wrote:

Kate wrote:

.............
...........................
Thank you Steve,
I was afraid I'd hear that. Oh well, I guess I will have to be
happy with my oranges, lemons, figs, papaya and tangerines. All new
to me . I am also, from the north. An apple would make a fine salad
though. Can't have everything. I would love to grow some nuts. Maybe
I'll settle for that next. I haven't heard of anyone growing apples
around here. The reason I decided to check with you good folk. many
thanks, Kate



I would love to be able to try all the things you can grow there, but
don't give up on the idea of apples yet.
Check this web site (actually, I see that Doug beat me to this one but
I'll post it anyway: http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/MG368
Take note of table one, near the bottom of the page.

Here is a way to estimate the chill hours you receive at your location:
http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/s...ages/Chill.jpg
That chart probably only works for southern areas. In the north, several
months would be off the chart and temperatures too cold don't count
anyway because the tree is so dormant, it stops "counting".
To make that work, you will have to figure out the mean temperature of
your colder months. It looks like you need some months with mean
temperatures in the low 60s to start accumulating chill hours. There are
weather sites that will give information on climate (including mean
temperatures) for any location in the country. For example, here is a
chart for my area:
http://www.intellicast.com/Local/USL...prodna v=0406

From there I see our mean temperature for April is 39 degrees. Plug in
your own zip code and check your coldest months.

Steve

Thank you Steve, so nice of you to try and help. I think it's a hopeless
thing here. If we ever get a real wet year , maybe I will try one ,
anyway. I did try two pear trees last spring. They just gave up . Seems
nothing does as well when we water things, as when God does. Hugs, Kate

Steve wrote:

sherwindu wrote:

Hi Kate,
My references show Gravenstein growable in zones 2 to 9. Northern
Texas is in
zone 7, central zone 8, and southern zone 9. Seems like you should be
able to grow this apple,
unless you are at the very southern most tip of Texas which is in
zone 10. I think it is worth a try.

Sherwin D.



There's more to it than the hardiness zones. Hardiness zones go mostly
by the coldest single day you have all winter. (they use some other
factors to determine the zones)
Hardiness zones are excellent for figuring out which plants will survive
the winter and which may not. Hardiness zones are not good for figuring
out chill hours. For example, zone 9b is what? 25 to 30 degrees? A
location that reaches that temperature dozens of times would accumulate
quite a few chill hours. Another location might only go that low once
all year and be much warmer on the other days. It would still be zone
9b. The farther away from a large body of water the more likely there
will be an occasional night much colder that normal to put you into a
colder hardiness zone.

Steve


We rarely see that low a tempature all winter. Thanks

Bill wrote:

In article ,
says...

I live in south Texas and would love to grow some graventastein apples.
Could any of you tell me if its possible in the part of the country ? I
have been here en years and have never seen nor heard about any grown
here. Would love to have them growing in my back yard. Thank you kindly,
kate



Check he

http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/e...ple/apple.html

http://www.usna.usda.gov/Hardzone/hzm-sm1.html

http://www.sunset.com/sunset/web/Spo...nrovia_r1/html
files/zone_map5.html

Mind the wrap.

I grow Anna, Ein Shemer, and Pink Ladys. I'm in USDA Zone 10B/Sunset
Zone 23. You're probably too far south to grow Gravensteins.

Bill


I believe you are right. Thank you anyway, Kate

Kate wrote:
Steve wrote:

Kate wrote:

.............
...........................
Thank you Steve,
I was afraid I'd hear that. Oh well, I guess I will have to be
happy with my oranges, lemons, figs, papaya and tangerines. All new
to me . I am also, from the north. An apple would make a fine salad
though. Can't have everything. I would love to grow some nuts. Maybe
I'll settle for that next. I haven't heard of anyone growing apples
around here. The reason I decided to check with you good folk. many
thanks, Kate




I would love to be able to try all the things you can grow there, but
don't give up on the idea of apples yet.
Check this web site (actually, I see that Doug beat me to this one but
I'll post it anyway: http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/MG368
Take note of table one, near the bottom of the page.

Here is a way to estimate the chill hours you receive at your location:
http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/s...ages/Chill.jpg
That chart probably only works for southern areas. In the north,
several months would be off the chart and temperatures too cold don't
count anyway because the tree is so dormant, it stops "counting".
To make that work, you will have to figure out the mean temperature of
your colder months. It looks like you need some months with mean
temperatures in the low 60s to start accumulating chill hours. There
are weather sites that will give information on climate (including
mean temperatures) for any location in the country. For example, here
is a chart for my area:
http://www.intellicast.com/Local/USL...prodna v=0406

From there I see our mean temperature for April is 39 degrees. Plug
in your own zip code and check your coldest months.

Steve


Thank you Steve, so nice of you to try and help. I think it's a hopeless
thing here. If we ever get a real wet year , maybe I will try one ,
anyway. I did try two pear trees last spring. They just gave up . Seems
nothing does as well when we water things, as when God does. Hugs, Kate


Well, good luck. We tried. :-)
Enjoy your oranges, figs and all the other things that most of us can't
grow, but you can.

Steve

Kate wrote:

I believe you are right. Thank you anyway, Kate


Kate, looks like you are convinced, but just in case: I have always had
my best results with fruit trees/vines that are at least one zone
inside of their declared range limits. Marginal situations almost never
work. I failed with peaches and pawpaws, being at the northern edge. My
american persimmon is a mediocre tree, and the Concord grape and hardy
kiwis do not produce much. On the other hand, my chestnuts,
jostaberries, raspberries, blackberries, mulberries and pears produce
without much care. One other thing I really love, and you can grow very
easily, is melons of all stripes (green, yellow, orange, cantaloupe,
charentais) and watermelons. The latter are easier than the former. you
still have more choice than most of us.

simy1 wrote:
Kate wrote:

I believe you are right. Thank you anyway, Kate


Kate, looks like you are convinced, but just in case: I have always had
my best results with fruit trees/vines that are at least one zone
inside of their declared range limits. Marginal situations almost never
work. I failed with peaches and pawpaws, being at the northern edge. My
american persimmon is a mediocre tree, and the Concord grape and hardy
kiwis do not produce much. On the other hand, my chestnuts,
jostaberries, raspberries, blackberries, mulberries and pears produce
without much care. One other thing I really love, and you can grow very
easily, is melons of all stripes (green, yellow, orange, cantaloupe,
charentais) and watermelons. The latter are easier than the former. you
still have more choice than most of us.



The farmer's grow fields and fields of all kinds of melons here. I have
a couple of blackberries, already started. Thinking about grapes.
HAven't decided where to put them as yet. The freeze got both my papaya
trees that were big enough to produce , last year. I am not fond of them
nor is my husband. We were always pawning them off on people. I love
growing things. I most likely will one day try that apple . But will
wait on a wetter year . Thanks so much for the thoughts and offer for
help. hugs, Kate

Kate wrote:
.............
...........................
Thank you Steve,
I was afraid I'd hear that. Oh well, I guess I will have to be happy
with my oranges, lemons, figs, papaya and tangerines. All new to me .
I am also, from the north. An apple would make a fine salad though.
Can't have everything. I would love to grow some nuts. Maybe I'll settle
for that next. I haven't heard of anyone growing apples around here. The
reason I decided to check with you good folk. many thanks, Kate

Kate, I did a little research.
Go to your local state ag extension service on line, and find out the
number of chilling hours in your area.
If they don't give a list of fruits with their chilling hours, go here
http://www.aces.edu/pubs/docs/A/ANR-0053-F/

hope this helps.

Pan Ohco

Pan Ohco wrote:

Kate wrote:

.............
...........................
Thank you Steve,
I was afraid I'd hear that. Oh well, I guess I will have to be happy
with my oranges, lemons, figs, papaya and tangerines. All new to me .
I am also, from the north. An apple would make a fine salad though.
Can't have everything. I would love to grow some nuts. Maybe I'll settle
for that next. I haven't heard of anyone growing apples around here. The
reason I decided to check with you good folk. many thanks, Kate


Kate, I did a little research.
Go to your local state ag extension service on line, and find out the
number of chilling hours in your area.
If they don't give a list of fruits with their chilling hours, go here
http://www.aces.edu/pubs/docs/A/ANR-0053-F/

hope this helps.

Pan Ohco





I appreciate your help so much. I will book mark the site, too. We are
not only in a drought here but the nights are still hugging 70 degrees.
About ten degrees higher than normal for this year. I believe I will
wait for a better time to venture into apples down here. Especially the
gravensteins, that are my favorite ones. Thank you again for taking the
time to check details and research for me. Kate

Kate wrote:

Pan Ohco wrote:


Kate wrote:

.............
...........................
Thank you Steve,
I was afraid I'd hear that. Oh well, I guess I will have to be
happy with my oranges, lemons, figs, papaya and tangerines. All
new to me . I am also, from the north. An apple would make a fine
salad though. Can't have everything. I would love to grow some nuts.
Maybe I'll settle for that next. I haven't heard of anyone growing
apples around here. The reason I decided to check with you good
folk. many thanks, Kate



Kate, I did a little research.
Go to your local state ag extension service on line, and find out the
number of chilling hours in your area.
If they don't give a list of fruits with their chilling hours, go here
http://www.aces.edu/pubs/docs/A/ANR-0053-F/

hope this helps.

Pan Ohco





I appreciate your help so much. I will book mark the site, too. We are
not only in a drought here but the nights are still hugging 70 degrees.
About ten degrees higher than normal for this year. I believe I will
wait for a better time to venture into apples down here. Especially the
gravensteins, that are my favorite ones. Thank you again for taking the
time to check details and research for me. Kate

Gosh, you sure can't say that people didn't try to help you with this
one! I think we're going for the thread length record here. :-)

Steve