Someone Please help me!!

My Thai spicy pepper plants are having a bit of trouble here in S.
Florida.

1.) A number of them have leaves which are getting a white swiriling
line going through the leaf and then the leaf turns yellow and finally
dies off. Not sure what this is nor how to cure it in a manner which
will keep the peppers safe to eat (organic). Some dishwashing soap
in water perhaps? Not sure if this is fungal though.

2.) We had a bit of cold weather this past week (over the nights)
where the temperature dropped to the low 60's or 50's. One of the
thai pepper plants leaves shriveled up and simply began falling off
even though I gave it water. I am wondering if the plant can still
come back and what the best way to get it back will be since the stem
is still very green. Also, what products (if any) I should be using
which will keep the future peppers safe to eat (organic). Not sure if
this is fungal though. I sure hope it is not root rot as I do not
know how to cure that organically. I do not think Subdue Max is safe
to use on produce.

Below are some pictures. I greatly appreciate your help!

(Plant which shows leaves which have white swirling lines):
http://www.consumergroup.com/palms/peppers/IMG_0159.jpg

(Plant which shows leaves which shriveled up and dropped off; picture
taken within 24 hours of this event):
http://www.consumergroup.com/palms/peppers/IMG_0167.jpg

Please advise so I can save these plants. They are hard to find / buy
with the heat value these have. = )

David

In article
,
David wrote:

Someone Please help me!!

My Thai spicy pepper plants are having a bit of trouble here in S.
Florida.

1.) A number of them have leaves which are getting a white swiriling
line going through the leaf and then the leaf turns yellow and finally
dies off. Not sure what this is nor how to cure it in a manner which
will keep the peppers safe to eat (organic). Some dishwashing soap
in water perhaps? Not sure if this is fungal though.

2.) We had a bit of cold weather this past week (over the nights)
where the temperature dropped to the low 60's or 50's. One of the
thai pepper plants leaves shriveled up and simply began falling off
even though I gave it water. I am wondering if the plant can still
come back and what the best way to get it back will be since the stem
is still very green. Also, what products (if any) I should be using
which will keep the future peppers safe to eat (organic). Not sure if
this is fungal though. I sure hope it is not root rot as I do not
know how to cure that organically. I do not think Subdue Max is safe
to use on produce.

Below are some pictures. I greatly appreciate your help!

(Plant which shows leaves which have white swirling lines):
http://www.consumergroup.com/palms/peppers/IMG_0159.jpg

(Plant which shows leaves which shriveled up and dropped off; picture
taken within 24 hours of this event):
http://www.consumergroup.com/palms/peppers/IMG_0167.jpg

Please advise so I can save these plants. They are hard to find / buy
with the heat value these have. = )

David

Re-pot with more soil. The amount shown looks inadequate. Wait for
surface of soil to go dry before re-watering. Use a sulfate based
fungicide. It can't hurt.

Try http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/3000/3116.html

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/PG052
Phytophthora Blight (Phytophthora capsici)

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/vh054
PHYTOPHTHORA BLIGHT
or
SOUTHERN BLIGHT (WHITE MOLD)

Good luck
--

Billy

The Murder of Rachel Corrie
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml

In article 44fb592b-4849-4fc3-9143-50b431ac9e72
@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com, says...
Someone Please help me!!

My Thai spicy pepper plants are having a bit of trouble here in S.
Florida.

1.) A number of them have leaves which are getting a white swiriling
line going through the leaf and then the leaf turns yellow and finally
dies off. Not sure what this is nor how to cure it in a manner which
will keep the peppers safe to eat (organic). Some dishwashing soap
in water perhaps? Not sure if this is fungal though.

That's leafminer damage.

David said:


Someone Please help me!!

My Thai spicy pepper plants are having a bit of trouble here in S.
Florida.

1.) A number of them have leaves which are getting a white swiriling
line going through the leaf and then the leaf turns yellow and finally
dies off. Not sure what this is nor how to cure it in a manner which
will keep the peppers safe to eat (organic). Some dishwashing soap
in water perhaps? Not sure if this is fungal though.

This is leaf-miner damage.

2.) We had a bit of cold weather this past week (over the nights)
where the temperature dropped to the low 60's or 50's.

Is that daytime temperature? As an overnight temperature, that's
no problem.

One of the
thai pepper plants leaves shriveled up and simply began falling off
even though I gave it water. I am wondering if the plant can still
come back and what the best way to get it back will be since the stem
is still very green. Also, what products (if any) I should be using
which will keep the future peppers safe to eat (organic). Not sure if
this is fungal though. I sure hope it is not root rot as I do not
know how to cure that organically. I do not think Subdue Max is safe
to use on produce.

Below are some pictures. I greatly appreciate your help!

(Plant which shows leaves which have white swirling lines):
http://www.consumergroup.com/palms/peppers/IMG_0159.jpg

Leaf-miners, no doubt. You can try to carefully squish the little
miner to kill it (in leaves that aren't much damaged) or snip the
affected leaves and destroy them. Not usually a huge problem if
the plant is vigorous, but your plant looks a bit under-the-weather
to begin with.

(Plant which shows leaves which shriveled up and dropped off; picture
taken within 24 hours of this event):
http://www.consumergroup.com/palms/peppers/IMG_0167.jpg

Um, that plant is seriously underpotted. Plus, darker colored plastic
pots in sunshine get seriously HOT. I would guess that the roots to
that plant have been seriously compromised and the cold snap was
probably just one more thing. It looks like this plant is still clinging
to life, so try repotting it. Set it just a tiny bit deeper (it looks like
the stem has some nubs of advantitious roots on it).

Repot your plants, find some way to shade or insulate the pots
(minimally, another larger pot with an air-gap) or pot them in
pots made from rigid foam.

Peppers might like the heat and need plenty of sun, but they also
appreciate a bit of shade in the hottest part of the day. Wild
hot peppers ("bird chiles") usually grow under trees an large
shrubs, where the birds plant them.

If you've had your plants out in the sun all day, you might see
them wilted from the stress and heat, think they were lacking
water, and water them while the soil was still damp (they wilt
because they can't keep up with the demand to pump through
water). This sets them up for root-rot, so they wilt more, you
add more water, etc.

--
Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast)

After enlightenment, the laundry.

On Apr 20, 7:56*am, Pat Kiewicz wrote:
David said:



Someone Please help me!!

My Thai spicy pepper plants are having a bit of trouble here in S.
Florida.

1.) *A number of them have leaves which are getting a white swiriling
line going through the leaf and then the leaf turns yellow and finally
dies off. * Not sure what this is nor how to cure it in a manner which
will keep the peppers safe to eat (organic). * Some dishwashing soap
in water perhaps? * Not sure if this is fungal though.

This is leaf-miner damage. *



2.) *We had a bit of cold weather this past week (over the nights)
where the temperature dropped to the low 60's or 50's. *

Is that daytime temperature? *As an overnight temperature, that's
no problem. *

One of the
thai pepper plants leaves shriveled up and simply began falling off
even though I gave it water. * I am wondering if the plant can still
come back and what the best way to get it back will be since the stem
is still very green. *Also, what products (if any) I should be using
which will keep the future peppers safe to eat (organic). *Not sure if
this is fungal though. *I sure hope it is not root rot as I do not
know how to cure that organically. * I do not think Subdue Max is safe
to use on produce.

Below are some pictures. * I greatly appreciate your help!

(Plant which shows leaves which have white swirling lines):
http://www.consumergroup.com/palms/peppers/IMG_0159.jpg

Leaf-miners, no doubt. *You can try to carefully squish the little
miner to kill it (in leaves that aren't much damaged) or snip the
affected leaves and destroy them. *Not usually a huge problem if
the plant is vigorous, but your plant looks a bit under-the-weather
to begin with.



(Plant which shows leaves which shriveled up and dropped off; picture
taken within 24 hours of this event):
http://www.consumergroup.com/palms/peppers/IMG_0167.jpg

Um, that plant is seriously underpotted. *Plus, darker colored plastic
pots in sunshine get seriously HOT. * I would guess that the roots to
that plant have been seriously compromised and the cold snap was
probably just one more thing. * It *looks like this plant is still clinging
to life, so *try repotting it. *Set it just a tiny bit deeper (it looks like
the stem has some nubs of advantitious roots on it).

Repot your plants, find some way to shade or insulate the pots
(minimally, another larger pot with an air-gap) or pot them in
pots made from rigid foam.

Peppers might like the heat and need plenty of sun, but they also
appreciate a bit of shade in the hottest part of the day. *Wild
hot peppers ("bird chiles") *usually grow under trees an large
shrubs, where the birds plant them.

If you've had your plants out in the sun all day, you might see
them wilted from the stress and heat, think they were lacking
water, and water them while the soil was still damp (they wilt
because they can't keep up with the demand to pump through
water). *This sets them up for root-rot, so they wilt more, you
add more water, etc.

--
Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast)

After enlightenment, the laundry.


Hey Pat,

Do you know of any organic safe fungicides which will cure Phytophera
(root root) ?

Also, I find that some of the well draining soil that I use for palm
trees may not hold water well enough for pepers. I have been using a
cheap top-soil type product (sandy and mucky). I guess I should mix
the two ? The palm soil has a lot of saw dust, small mulch,
vermiculite, and florida peat (just a bit of sand).

Is it safe to plant a bunch of pepper seeds like this in one big
pot? I have only been planting one seed per 1 gallon container. Is
it good to seperate them like this?

Thanks for your help!

David

On Apr 20, 7:56*am, Pat Kiewicz wrote:
David said:



Someone Please help me!!

My Thai spicy pepper plants are having a bit of trouble here in S.
Florida.

1.) *A number of them have leaves which are getting a white swiriling
line going through the leaf and then the leaf turns yellow and finally
dies off. * Not sure what this is nor how to cure it in a manner which
will keep the peppers safe to eat (organic). * Some dishwashing soap
in water perhaps? * Not sure if this is fungal though.

This is leaf-miner damage. *



2.) *We had a bit of cold weather this past week (over the nights)
where the temperature dropped to the low 60's or 50's. *

Is that daytime temperature? *As an overnight temperature, that's
no problem. *

One of the
thai pepper plants leaves shriveled up and simply began falling off
even though I gave it water. * I am wondering if the plant can still
come back and what the best way to get it back will be since the stem
is still very green. *Also, what products (if any) I should be using
which will keep the future peppers safe to eat (organic). *Not sure if
this is fungal though. *I sure hope it is not root rot as I do not
know how to cure that organically. * I do not think Subdue Max is safe
to use on produce.

Below are some pictures. * I greatly appreciate your help!

(Plant which shows leaves which have white swirling lines):
http://www.consumergroup.com/palms/peppers/IMG_0159.jpg

Leaf-miners, no doubt. *You can try to carefully squish the little
miner to kill it (in leaves that aren't much damaged) or snip the
affected leaves and destroy them. *Not usually a huge problem if
the plant is vigorous, but your plant looks a bit under-the-weather
to begin with.



(Plant which shows leaves which shriveled up and dropped off; picture
taken within 24 hours of this event):
http://www.consumergroup.com/palms/peppers/IMG_0167.jpg

Um, that plant is seriously underpotted. *Plus, darker colored plastic
pots in sunshine get seriously HOT. * I would guess that the roots to
that plant have been seriously compromised and the cold snap was
probably just one more thing. * It *looks like this plant is still clinging
to life, so *try repotting it. *Set it just a tiny bit deeper (it looks like
the stem has some nubs of advantitious roots on it).

Repot your plants, find some way to shade or insulate the pots
(minimally, another larger pot with an air-gap) or pot them in
pots made from rigid foam.

Peppers might like the heat and need plenty of sun, but they also
appreciate a bit of shade in the hottest part of the day. *Wild
hot peppers ("bird chiles") *usually grow under trees an large
shrubs, where the birds plant them.

If you've had your plants out in the sun all day, you might see
them wilted from the stress and heat, think they were lacking
water, and water them while the soil was still damp (they wilt
because they can't keep up with the demand to pump through
water). *This sets them up for root-rot, so they wilt more, you
add more water, etc.

--
Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast)

After enlightenment, the laundry.


Again, I do have some Sudue Maxx (by Syngentia) which has an active
ingredient of: mefenoxam

It seems that other products with the same active ingredient are
recommended at:
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/PG100

Yet, I did not see any indications to use this on edible produce at:
http://www.syngentaprofessionalprodu...asp?Prodid=754

Do you think there is a major difference between Subdue Maxx and the
others which use the same active ingredient such as:

Ultra Flourish (mefenoxam)
or
Ridomil Gold 4 EC (mefenoxam)

?

David

In article
,
David wrote:

On Apr 20, 7:56*am, Pat Kiewicz wrote:
David said:



Someone Please help me!!

My Thai spicy pepper plants are having a bit of trouble here in S.
Florida.

1.) *A number of them have leaves which are getting a white swiriling
line going through the leaf and then the leaf turns yellow and finally
dies off. * Not sure what this is nor how to cure it in a manner which
will keep the peppers safe to eat (organic). * Some dishwashing soap
in water perhaps? * Not sure if this is fungal though.

This is leaf-miner damage. *



2.) *We had a bit of cold weather this past week (over the nights)
where the temperature dropped to the low 60's or 50's. *

Is that daytime temperature? *As an overnight temperature, that's
no problem. *

One of the
thai pepper plants leaves shriveled up and simply began falling off
even though I gave it water. * I am wondering if the plant can still
come back and what the best way to get it back will be since the stem
is still very green. *Also, what products (if any) I should be using
which will keep the future peppers safe to eat (organic). *Not sure if
this is fungal though. *I sure hope it is not root rot as I do not
know how to cure that organically. * I do not think Subdue Max is safe
to use on produce.

Below are some pictures. * I greatly appreciate your help!

(Plant which shows leaves which have white swirling lines):
http://www.consumergroup.com/palms/peppers/IMG_0159.jpg

Leaf-miners, no doubt. *You can try to carefully squish the little
miner to kill it (in leaves that aren't much damaged) or snip the
affected leaves and destroy them. *Not usually a huge problem if
the plant is vigorous, but your plant looks a bit under-the-weather
to begin with.



(Plant which shows leaves which shriveled up and dropped off; picture
taken within 24 hours of this event):
http://www.consumergroup.com/palms/peppers/IMG_0167.jpg

Um, that plant is seriously underpotted. *Plus, darker colored plastic
pots in sunshine get seriously HOT. * I would guess that the roots to
that plant have been seriously compromised and the cold snap was
probably just one more thing. * It *looks like this plant is still clinging
to life, so *try repotting it. *Set it just a tiny bit deeper (it looks like
the stem has some nubs of advantitious roots on it).

Repot your plants, find some way to shade or insulate the pots
(minimally, another larger pot with an air-gap) or pot them in
pots made from rigid foam.

Peppers might like the heat and need plenty of sun, but they also
appreciate a bit of shade in the hottest part of the day. *Wild
hot peppers ("bird chiles") *usually grow under trees an large
shrubs, where the birds plant them.

If you've had your plants out in the sun all day, you might see
them wilted from the stress and heat, think they were lacking
water, and water them while the soil was still damp (they wilt
because they can't keep up with the demand to pump through
water). *This sets them up for root-rot, so they wilt more, you
add more water, etc.

--
Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast)

After enlightenment, the laundry.


Hey Pat,

Do you know of any organic safe fungicides which will cure Phytophera
(root root) ?

Also, I find that some of the well draining soil that I use for palm
trees may not hold water well enough for pepers. I have been using a
cheap top-soil type product (sandy and mucky). I guess I should mix
the two ? The palm soil has a lot of saw dust, small mulch,
vermiculite, and florida peat (just a bit of sand).

Is it safe to plant a bunch of pepper seeds like this in one big
pot? I have only been planting one seed per 1 gallon container. Is
it good to seperate them like this?

Thanks for your help!

David

What you need now is drainage. When (if) the root problem is solved, you
can worry about the soil. Re-pot (larger pot if possible) and use more
potting mix than last time (fill 80% to 90% of pot, it well pack down
when you water) only water when the surface soil looks dry.
--

Billy

The Murder of Rachel Corrie
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml

David said:

Hey Pat,

Do you know of any organic safe fungicides which will cure Phytophera
(root root) ?

Well, this is more a prevention rather than cure situtuation.

Streptocmyces (Mycostop brand-name) can work against some types
of root rots.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/4dxuwh (links to the following)
http://www.groworganic.com/item_PFM1...fungicide_5_Gr
am_Pac.html?welcome=T&theses=2659964

Copper fungicides can be used in organic gardening, but I don't know
how well they would work as soil drenches vs. root rots.

Also, I find that some of the well draining soil that I use for palm
trees may not hold water well enough for pepers. I have been using a
cheap top-soil type product (sandy and mucky). I guess I should mix
the two ? The palm soil has a lot of saw dust, small mulch,
vermiculite, and florida peat (just a bit of sand).

With pepper plants, I think you would be much, much better off
with a standard peat- or coir-based planting mix. (There are
commercial mixes available now that are innoculated with
mycorrhizal and/or other beneficial fungi, plus compost.)

I confess to the, er, extravagence of mail-ordering my transplant mix
each year these days, as what's available locally is sometimes strange
(tiny stryrofoam balls?!) and occasionally catastrophically bad (mixed
with unfinished compost), especially early in the season, or else it's
Miracle Grow brand (with the brightly colored whatsisses in it so
you know it has been Miracle-ized).

Is it safe to plant a bunch of pepper seeds like this in one big
pot? I have only been planting one seed per 1 gallon container. Is
it good to seperate them like this?

It's better to plant seeds in small containers and pot them up as needed.
Oversized pots often result in plants being over watered, setting you
up for root rots. The top of the pot, where your tiny plant is, dries out,
while down below the soil is saturated and stagnant.

I start my peppers in small peat pellets, 2-3 seeds per pellet, then
transplant into 4" pots, then either into the ground or into gallon
sized pots or bigger pots. (The bigger pots are for really ornamental
varieties, where they are combined with other ornamental, edible plants.)

Thanks for your help!

You're welcome. Just paying it forward.

--
Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast)

After enlightenment, the laundry.

David said:

Again, I do have some Sudue Maxx (by Syngentia) which has an active
ingredient of: mefenoxam

The Pesticide Action Network does not like Mefenoxam, as it's pretty toxic
(even if it is used on lots of vegetables):
http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_...Rec_Id=PC35784

I prefer to avoid chemicals when I can, fungicides in particular, so
I am not really up on their use and effectiveness.


Do you think there is a major difference between Subdue Maxx and the
others which use the same active ingredient

I don't know. If it is formulated in some way to have a longer period
of activity or more sustained action, that would be good for use on
ornamentals but really undesirable for food crops. (Food crops, you
want the product to do its job and degrade away quickly, so it isn't
around to contaminate the harvest.)

The manufacturer does not label Subdue MAXX for use on edibles.
Therefore, you shouldn't use it on any pepper plants that aren't
strictly ornamental.

Quoting from the Syngenta web site:

Application

IMPORTANT: ALWAYS READ AND FOLLOW LABEL INSTRUCTIONS
BEFORE BUYING OR USING THIS PRODUCT.

Subdue MAXX may be applied through irrigation systems, as a soil drench
or as a soil surface spray, or incorporated into a soil mix for subsequent
seeding or transplanting of ornamentals.

Fields of use: conifers, nonbearing citrus, nonbearing deciduous fruits and
nuts, ornamentals and turf.

End quote.



--
Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast)

After enlightenment, the laundry.

In article ,
Pat Kiewicz wrote:

David said:

Hey Pat,

Do you know of any organic safe fungicides which will cure Phytophera
(root root) ?

Well, this is more a prevention rather than cure situtuation.

Streptocmyces (Mycostop brand-name) can work against some types
of root rots.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/4dxuwh (links to the following)
http://www.groworganic.com/item_PFM1...fungicide_5_Gr
am_Pac.html?welcome=T&theses=2659964

Copper fungicides can be used in organic gardening, but I don't know
how well they would work as soil drenches vs. root rots.

Also, I find that some of the well draining soil that I use for palm
trees may not hold water well enough for pepers. I have been using a
cheap top-soil type product (sandy and mucky). I guess I should mix
the two ? The palm soil has a lot of saw dust, small mulch,
vermiculite, and florida peat (just a bit of sand).

With pepper plants, I think you would be much, much better off
with a standard peat- or coir-based planting mix. (There are
commercial mixes available now that are innoculated with
mycorrhizal and/or other beneficial fungi, plus compost.)

I confess to the, er, extravagence of mail-ordering my transplant mix
each year these days, as what's available locally is sometimes strange
(tiny stryrofoam balls?!) and occasionally catastrophically bad (mixed
with unfinished compost), especially early in the season, or else it's
Miracle Grow brand (with the brightly colored whatsisses in it so
you know it has been Miracle-ized).

Is it safe to plant a bunch of pepper seeds like this in one big
pot? I have only been planting one seed per 1 gallon container. Is
it good to seperate them like this?

It's better to plant seeds in small containers and pot them up as needed.
Oversized pots often result in plants being over watered, setting you
up for root rots. The top of the pot, where your tiny plant is, dries out,
while down below the soil is saturated and stagnant.

I start my peppers in small peat pellets, 2-3 seeds per pellet, then
transplant into 4" pots, then either into the ground or into gallon
sized pots or bigger pots. (The bigger pots are for really ornamental
varieties, where they are combined with other ornamental, edible plants.)

Thanks for your help!

You're welcome. Just paying it forward.

I used Mycostop in an effort to combat damping-off, to no effect. The
product says it is effective for treating seeds and soil in advance of
germination. I placed my plants outside (Here on the northern west coast
we have had a cool spring which I think also helped my plants survive
the damping-off.), and a week after treatment, there was no change in
the mold's mycelium. Then I treated the damping-off with chamomile tea,
and cinnamon, re-potted to larger pots. Yes, I was successful and all
but one of the 60+ plants survived.
--

Billy

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0s...eature=related