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In article ss,
"gunner" wrote:

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
...
"Billy" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
"gunner" wrote in message


when you get the chance you might preview another of Dr.
Chalker-Scott's:
http://www.puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda%2...ltural%20Myths
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es/Myths/Amendments%204.pdf
or http://tinyurl.com/loc252



Good day to you both.


And a pleasant day to you Sir.
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is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

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"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ss,
"gunner" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...

..
Gunner wrote: BTW, 100lbs of 10-10-10 will yield 10 lbs of N, ~4.4 lbs of
P and ~8.3 lbs
of K.
P and K are not elemental in fert labeling, you need to use the atomic
weights.


Billy tapdanced with: "Considering the atmosphere is about 78% N2, and
elemental phosphorus and
potassium can be exciting stuff, I wasn't trying to be analytical here.
As I'm sure you are aware that agricultural nitrogen comes in the salt
forms of NH3 and NO3 but the percentage on the container is only for the
elemental nitrogen, not that of the compound, but strangely enough the
next two numbers are for the compounds and not the elements. To follow
along you must know that the atomic weight (at.wt.) of phosphorus is
approximately 31, and oxygen is 16. Phosphorus comes as P2O5 ([31 X
2]+[16 X 5]= at. wt. 142 for the compound, but the percentage of
phosphorus is P/P2O5 = 62/142 =.44) and the actual percentage of
elemental phosphorus is 44% of the percentage listed. Potassium comes as
K2O and the percentage of elemental potassium is 83% of the percentage
listed, or K = 39 (atomic weight) and O = 16, so K2O = 94, and %K =
K/K2O = 78/94 = .83 --- 83%.

Bottom line is that in a 100 lb. bag of 10 - 10 - 10, 10 lbs will be N
(as NH3 or NO3), 10 lb. of P2O5 = 4.4 lb. P, and 10 lb. of K2O = 8.3 lb.
of K.

Anybody still awake?

And that's why I said it the way I did.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertilizer for further confusion.


Are you confused as to what you actually said? Here is your cut and pasteed
comment to Florabloom:

"If you buy a HUNDRED POUND BAG of 10 - 10 - 10 chemical fertilizer, it
will contain 10 lbs of nitrogen (ammonia or nitrate), 10 lbs of
phosphorous, and 10 lbs of potassium. A similar bag of 1-1-1, would
yield a pound of each/bag."

Changing stories again? Not quite accurate is it nor what you now say. the
same for your comment on "chemferts kill micro organisms the inferences
causing nitrates in water harming babies.
You BS ........alot and as we saw with Florabloom you attack when you lose.


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In article ss,
"gunner" wrote:

Changing stories again? Not quite accurate is it nor what you now say. the
same for your comment on "chemferts kill micro organisms the inferences
causing nitrates in water harming babies.
You BS ........alot and as we saw with Florabloom you attack when you lose.


They've all been answered. If you can't read, you should complain to
your school board.
--

- Billy

There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence and
find out for themselves.
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http://green-house.tv/video/the-spring-garden-tour
http://www.tomdispatch.com/p/zinn
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"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ss,
"gunner" wrote:

Changing stories again? Not quite accurate is it nor what you now say.
the
same for your comment on "chemferts kill micro organisms the inferences
causing nitrates in water harming babies.
You BS ........alot and as we saw with Florabloom you attack when you
lose.


You seem to snip alot of your BS out when you get caught up in a lie Billy.

So did you say ;

"If you buy a HUNDRED POUND BAG of 10 - 10 - 10 chemical fertilizer, it
will contain 10 lbs of nitrogen (ammonia or nitrate), 10 lbs of
phosphorous, and 10 lbs of potassium. A similar bag of 1-1-1, would
yield a pound of each/bag."

and then change it to say

"Bottom line is that in a 100 lb. bag of 10 - 10 - 10, 10 lbs will be N
(as NH3 or NO3), 10 lb. of P2O5 = 4.4 lb. P, and 10 lb. of K2O = 8.3 lb.
of K.

Anybody still awake?

And that's why I said it the way I did."

True or not Billy boy?





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In article ss,
"gunner" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ss,
"gunner" wrote:

Changing stories again? Not quite accurate is it nor what you now say.
the
same for your comment on "chemferts kill micro organisms the inferences
causing nitrates in water harming babies.
You BS ........alot and as we saw with Florabloom you attack when you
lose.


You seem to snip alot of your BS out when you get caught up in a lie Billy.

So did you say ;

"If you buy a HUNDRED POUND BAG of 10 - 10 - 10 chemical fertilizer, it
will contain 10 lbs of nitrogen (ammonia or nitrate), 10 lbs of
phosphorous, and 10 lbs of potassium. A similar bag of 1-1-1, would
yield a pound of each/bag."

and then change it to say

"Bottom line is that in a 100 lb. bag of 10 - 10 - 10, 10 lbs will be N
(as NH3 or NO3), 10 lb. of P2O5 = 4.4 lb. P, and 10 lb. of K2O = 8.3 lb.
of K.

Anybody still awake?

And that's why I said it the way I did."

True or not Billy boy?


Excellent, gunnie, you followed my explanation very well.

Now to test YOUR chemistry abilities, when a weighed piece of metal is
heated with excess sulfur, a chemical reaction occurs between the metal
and the sulfur. The excess sulfur is then driven off, leaving only the
compound, consisting of combined metal and sulfur. From the weight of M
and the weight of the compound, the weight of the ulfur i the compound
can be deduced.
Weight of the metal = 2.435 g
Weight of the compound = 3.397 g
Weight of sulfur = 0.962 g

What is the simplest formula for the compound, if the atomic weight of
the metal is 121.76, hmmm?

Show that you know your ass from a hole in the ground and we will
continue seaman.
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There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence and
find out for themselves.
Will Rogers

http://green-house.tv/video/the-spring-garden-tour
http://www.tomdispatch.com/p/zinn


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In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ss,
"gunner" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ss,
"gunner" wrote:

Changing stories again? Not quite accurate is it nor what you now say.
the
same for your comment on "chemferts kill micro organisms the inferences
causing nitrates in water harming babies.
You BS ........alot and as we saw with Florabloom you attack when you
lose.

You seem to snip alot of your BS out when you get caught up in a lie Billy.

So did you say ;

"If you buy a HUNDRED POUND BAG of 10 - 10 - 10 chemical fertilizer, it
will contain 10 lbs of nitrogen (ammonia or nitrate), 10 lbs of
phosphorous, and 10 lbs of potassium. A similar bag of 1-1-1, would
yield a pound of each/bag."

and then change it to say

"Bottom line is that in a 100 lb. bag of 10 - 10 - 10, 10 lbs will be N
(as NH3 or NO3), 10 lb. of P2O5 = 4.4 lb. P, and 10 lb. of K2O = 8.3 lb.
of K.

Anybody still awake?

And that's why I said it the way I did."

True or not Billy boy?


I realize that you have limited abilities so let me remove my typos. I
was just in such a rush to let you prove your expertise, that the
excitment carried me away.

Excellent, gunnie, you followed my explanation very well.

Now to test YOUR chemistry abilities, when a weighed piece of metal is
heated with excess sulfur, a chemical reaction occurs between the metal
and the sulfur. The excess sulfur is then driven off, leaving only the
compound, consisting of combined metal and sulfur. From the weight of M
and the weight of the compound, the weight of the sulfur in the compound
can be deduced.
Weight of the metal = 2.435 g
Weight of the compound = 3.397 g
Weight of sulfur = 0.962 g

What is the simplest formula for the compound, if the atomic weight of
the metal is 121.76, hmmm?

Show that you know your ass from a hole in the ground and we will
continue seaman.
--

- Billy

There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading. The few
who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
and
find out for themselves.
Will Rogers

http://green-house.tv/video/the-spring-garden-tour
http://www.tomdispatch.com/p/zinn
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- Billy

There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence and
find out for themselves.
Will Rogers

http://green-house.tv/video/the-spring-garden-tour
http://www.tomdispatch.com/p/zinn
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Did you say it or not Billy?
why, yes.... yes, you did, so once again you lied,
Can you back up your Chemfart kill lie Billy? Why no, you cannot Billy!
The chem farts?...., you lied Billy,
the same as your Ironite research...... You lied Billy,
The same as your calling the Prof a Corporate Shrill, Your a liar Billy!
A blowhard and a liar, Billy.
Chem farts is forever your lie now Billy!

Don't you owe an apology to Martin for being such a little prick and a liar!
Now go away and don't do that again Billy.


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In article ,
phorbin wrote:

In article ss,
says...
Did you say it or not Billy?
why, yes.... yes, you did, so once again you lied,
Can you back up your Chemfart kill lie Billy? Why no, you cannot Billy!
The chem farts?...., you lied Billy,
the same as your Ironite research...... You lied Billy,
The same as your calling the Prof a Corporate Shrill, Your a liar Billy!
A blowhard and a liar, Billy.
Chem farts is forever your lie now Billy!

Don't you owe an apology to Martin for being such a little prick and a liar!
Now go away and don't do that again Billy.


The rest of that damnable bag's weight is occupied by inert filler.

The numbers are percentages and 10+10+10 of a hundred pound bag equals
30% of the bag the whole of which delivers 10 pounds of nitrogen,
phosphorus and potassium and 70 pounds of filler.

This is very very basic stuff and Billy has said it two different ways
but you seem to think he's said two different things.


Tell you what, gunnie. I'm a liar and a cheat, and never to be trusted.
OK? Now, do you have anything to say, that might be vaguely of interest
the average gardener?
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- Billy

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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence and
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http://www.tomdispatch.com/p/zinn
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Tell you what, gunnie. I'm a liar and a cheat, and never to be trusted.
OK? Now, do you have anything to say, that might be vaguely of interest
the average gardener?
--

- Billy


Why yes I do billy.

Thank you for correcting that part of the lies you told Martin in your
diatribe.

This lastest plausible denial trick with the lower case g you think is so
cute is very disrespectable to my sister service's senior enlisted ranks.
Once again, you assume you knew what you are talking about? Ever serve,
billy?


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