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Need to grow your own manure?
"Billy" wrote in message
For half a century, meat producers have fed antibiotics to farm animals to increase their growth and stave off infections. The Minnesota researchers planted corn, green onion and cabbage in manure-treated soil in 2005 to evaluate the environmental impacts of feeding antibiotics to livestock. Six weeks later, the crops were analyzed and found to absorb chlortetracycline, ...... Jeeze Louise! More bloody sloppy reporting. Why don't they differntiate between Feedlot animals and grass fed animals! Or perhaps all beef in the US comes from feedlot animals. Our cattle are only ever given anitbiotics if they have a problem like an infection and then it's usually only one jab that has a 3 day life. |
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Need to grow your own manure?
FarmI wrote:
"Billy" wrote in message For half a century, meat producers have fed antibiotics to farm animals to increase their growth and stave off infections. The Minnesota researchers planted corn, green onion and cabbage in manure-treated soil in 2005 to evaluate the environmental impacts of feeding antibiotics to livestock. Six weeks later, the crops were analyzed and found to absorb chlortetracycline, ...... Jeeze Louise! More bloody sloppy reporting. Why don't they differntiate between Feedlot animals and grass fed animals! Or perhaps all beef in the US comes from feedlot animals. Aparently the majority does and even 'grass-fed' may mean grass finished. David |
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"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
FarmI wrote: "Billy" wrote in message For half a century, meat producers have fed antibiotics to farm animals to increase their growth and stave off infections. The Minnesota researchers planted corn, green onion and cabbage in manure-treated soil in 2005 to evaluate the environmental impacts of feeding antibiotics to livestock. Six weeks later, the crops were analyzed and found to absorb chlortetracycline, ...... Jeeze Louise! More bloody sloppy reporting. Why don't they differntiate between Feedlot animals and grass fed animals! Or perhaps all beef in the US comes from feedlot animals. Aparently the majority does and even 'grass-fed' may mean grass finished. Yebbet.... there is nothing as good as grassfed beef from the cradle to the abattoir. |
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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message ... "Billy" wrote in message For half a century, meat producers have fed antibiotics to farm animals to increase their growth and stave off infections. The Minnesota researchers planted corn, green onion and cabbage in manure-treated soil in 2005 to evaluate the environmental impacts of feeding antibiotics to livestock. Six weeks later, the crops were analyzed and found to absorb chlortetracycline, ...... Jeeze Louise! More bloody sloppy reporting. Why don't they differntiate between Feedlot animals and grass fed animals! Or perhaps all beef in the US comes from feedlot animals. Our cattle are only ever given anitbiotics if they have a problem like an infection and then it's usually only one jab that has a 3 day life. Fran, ya gotta get out more Dear. 24 Feb 2009 http://www.rsca.org.au/media-centre/...ive-farms.html : "Antibiotic resistance is becoming a big threat to the health of Australians and is increasingly being linked to the food we eat. In Australia, more than two thirds of antibiotic use involves farm animals and those antibiotics are quite similar to those used to fight infections in people. Speaking today at the RSPCA's annual Scientific Seminar, Dr Peter Collignon will discuss how the wide use of antibiotics in intensive farming systems, to prevent disease and promote faster growth, impacts human health by aiding the spread of resistance bacteria". Now, we Americans also have our waste treatment plants hyping the organic feel good benefits of their by-products recycling programs, steriods and antiboitics and many other meds. This already affects the Salmon industry. Often wondered about human waste ferts used in 3rd World. They do not always follow the entire protocol of meds and hence we have Drug Resist. TB and such. But I do have to ask what does this do to the naturally occuring e.coli and other potentially harmful pathogens in the soil? do they start on the path of drug resistence? we don't have a lot of research on this as yet. |
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"gunner" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message "Billy" wrote in message For half a century, meat producers have fed antibiotics to farm animals to increase their growth and stave off infections. The Minnesota researchers planted corn, green onion and cabbage in manure-treated soil in 2005 to evaluate the environmental impacts of feeding antibiotics to livestock. Six weeks later, the crops were analyzed and found to absorb chlortetracycline, ...... Jeeze Louise! More bloody sloppy reporting. Why don't they differntiate between Feedlot animals and grass fed animals! Or perhaps all beef in the US comes from feedlot animals. Our cattle are only ever given anitbiotics if they have a problem like an infection and then it's usually only one jab that has a 3 day life. Fran, ya gotta get out more Dear. No, I don't need to get out more but you should pay attention to what I write, not what you think I write. The article that Billy posted reported only on intensively farmed animals. There are indeed other forms of farming animals that does not involve the use of antibiotics. We do the latter. 24 Feb 2009 http://www.rsca.org.au/media-centre/...ive-farms.html : "Antibiotic resistance is becoming a big threat to the health of Australians and is increasingly being linked to the food we eat. This cite too is only about intensive farming. We too have intensive farming however, I was not complaining about the existence of intensive farming but the fact that the artcile made no attempt to mention that there was any form of farming OTHER than that which involved the use of antibiotics. Sloppy reporting because it made no attempt to differentiate. |
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, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "gunner" wrote in message "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message "Billy" wrote in message For half a century, meat producers have fed antibiotics to farm animals to increase their growth and stave off infections. The Minnesota researchers planted corn, green onion and cabbage in manure-treated soil in 2005 to evaluate the environmental impacts of feeding antibiotics to livestock. Six weeks later, the crops were analyzed and found to absorb chlortetracycline, ...... Jeeze Louise! More bloody sloppy reporting. Why don't they differntiate between Feedlot animals and grass fed animals! Or perhaps all beef in the US comes from feedlot animals. Our cattle are only ever given anitbiotics if they have a problem like an infection and then it's usually only one jab that has a 3 day life. Fran, ya gotta get out more Dear. No, I don't need to get out more but you should pay attention to what I write, not what you think I write. The article that Billy posted reported only on intensively farmed animals. There are indeed other forms of farming animals that does not involve the use of antibiotics. We do the latter. 24 Feb 2009 http://www.rsca.org.au/media-centre/...tics-on-intens ive-farms.html : "Antibiotic resistance is becoming a big threat to the health of Australians and is increasingly being linked to the food we eat. This cite too is only about intensive farming. We too have intensive farming however, I was not complaining about the existence of intensive farming but the fact that the artcile made no attempt to mention that there was any form of farming OTHER than that which involved the use of antibiotics. Sloppy reporting because it made no attempt to differentiate. Follow-up This point was made in the Letters to the Editor in the June, '09 Scientific American. The author, Nathan Fiala, responded that in 2000, then president of the U.S. National Farmers Union, Leland Swenson, in testimony given to the House Judiciary Committee, claimed that 4 companies produce 81% of the beef grown in this country. Fiala claims that companies of this size must of necessity be using CAFO. Americans, on average, eat about 100 lbs of beef/year/person. Secondly, he states, "that to meet the increased consumption worldwide, CAFO are the fastest-growing production method in developing countries, and they most likely are the future of beef production for everyone around the globe." The problem seems to be that the entire world aspires to the American life style, that was based on being the only major industrial country not in ruins after WWII. For a short time, we had the stay at home mom, whose family could live well on the husbands wages. That time is long gone, and real income for most Americans has remained flat for the last 30 years, while the upper 20% of earners have seen their incomes soar. With another 3 BILLION people due to join the world's population in the next 40 years, the likelihood is that instead of emerging countries eating like the industrialized countries, the industrialized countries will need to learn to eat like third world countries. Then, of course, there is the problem that a 1/3 of the worlds population, through no fault of their own, lives on $2/day, or less. It gives small satisfaction, that in the future, as now, the best food you can get, is what you grow yourself. Faced with factory food, clean, fresh produce will only become more valuable, and if Monsanto has their way, more expensive to grow. -- - Billy There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence and find out for themselves. Will Rogers http://green-house.tv/video/the-spring-garden-tour http://www.tomdispatch.com/p/zinn |
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, Billy wrote: In article , "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "gunner" wrote in message "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message "Billy" wrote in message For half a century, meat producers have fed antibiotics to farm animals to increase their growth and stave off infections. The Minnesota researchers planted corn, green onion and cabbage in manure-treated soil in 2005 to evaluate the environmental impacts of feeding antibiotics to livestock. Six weeks later, the crops were analyzed and found to absorb chlortetracycline, ...... Jeeze Louise! More bloody sloppy reporting. Why don't they differntiate between Feedlot animals and grass fed animals! Or perhaps all beef in the US comes from feedlot animals. Our cattle are only ever given anitbiotics if they have a problem like an infection and then it's usually only one jab that has a 3 day life. Fran, ya gotta get out more Dear. No, I don't need to get out more but you should pay attention to what I write, not what you think I write. The article that Billy posted reported only on intensively farmed animals. There are indeed other forms of farming animals that does not involve the use of antibiotics. We do the latter. 24 Feb 2009 http://www.rsca.org.au/media-centre/...iotics-on-inte ns ive-farms.html : "Antibiotic resistance is becoming a big threat to the health of Australians and is increasingly being linked to the food we eat. This cite too is only about intensive farming. We too have intensive farming however, I was not complaining about the existence of intensive farming but the fact that the artcile made no attempt to mention that there was any form of farming OTHER than that which involved the use of antibiotics. Sloppy reporting because it made no attempt to differentiate. Follow-up This point was made in the Letters to the Editor in the June, '09 Scientific American. The author, Nathan Fiala, responded that in 2000, then president of the U.S. National Farmers Union, Leland Swenson, in testimony given to the House Judiciary Committee, claimed that 4 companies produce 81% of the beef grown in this country. Fiala claims that companies of this size must of necessity be using CAFO. Americans, on average, eat about 100 lbs of beef/year/person. Secondly, he states, "that to meet the increased consumption worldwide, CAFO are the fastest-growing production method in developing countries, and they most likely are the future of beef production for everyone around the globe." The problem seems to be that the entire world aspires to the American life style, that was based on being the only major industrial country not in ruins after WWII. For a short time, we had the stay at home mom, whose family could live well on the husbands wages. That time is long gone, and real income for most Americans has remained flat for the last 30 years, while the upper 20% of earners have seen their incomes soar. With another 3 BILLION people due to join the world's population in the next 40 years, the likelihood is that instead of emerging countries eating like the industrialized countries, the industrialized countries will need to learn to eat like third world countries. Then, of course, there is the problem that a 1/3 of the worlds population, through no fault of their own, lives on $2/day, or less. It gives small satisfaction, that in the future, as now, the best food you can get, is what you grow yourself. Faced with factory food, clean, fresh produce will only become more valuable, and if Monsanto has their way, more expensive to grow. May be useful http://tinyurl.com/mmczq6 Bill -- Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA |
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Bill who putters wrote: It gives small satisfaction, that in the future, as now, the best food you can get, is what you grow yourself. Faced with factory food, clean, fresh produce will only become more valuable, and if Monsanto has their way, more expensive to grow. May be useful http://tinyurl.com/mmczq6 Bill Maybe, maybe not. Processed carbohydrates seem to be starving us of needed nutrients. Whole grain carbohydrates are better but far from perfect. Like da man said,"Eat more plants, mostly leafy ones, and a little meat." http://www.environnement.ens.fr/pers...mistake_jared_ diamond.pdf -- - Billy There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence and find out for themselves. Will Rogers http://green-house.tv/video/the-spring-garden-tour http://www.tomdispatch.com/p/zinn |
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, Billy wrote: In article , Bill who putters wrote: It gives small satisfaction, that in the future, as now, the best food you can get, is what you grow yourself. Faced with factory food, clean, fresh produce will only become more valuable, and if Monsanto has their way, more expensive to grow. May be useful http://tinyurl.com/mmczq6 Bill Maybe, maybe not. Processed carbohydrates seem to be starving us of needed nutrients. Whole grain carbohydrates are better but far from perfect. Like da man said,"Eat more plants, mostly leafy ones, and a little meat." http://www.environnement.ens.fr/pers...mistake_jared_ diamond.pdf While looking about for info on Chinese salads found http://chineseculture.about.com/library/symbol/ Salad yielded http://chineseculture.about.com/library/symbol/np/nc_salad.htm Can't recall ever seeing A salad offering in local Chinese places but Japanese offer a variety. Suno Muno SP Cucumber Salad nice and fresh in area . Bill -- Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA |
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"Billy" wrote in message
The problem seems to be that the entire world aspires to the American life style, that was based on being the only major industrial country not in ruins after WWII. For a short time, we had the stay at home mom, whose family could live well on the husbands wages. That time is long gone, and real income for most Americans has remained flat for the last 30 years, while the upper 20% of earners have seen their incomes soar. Wonder how the US will survive the current crisis given that China now owns nearly all American debt. The next few years could be interesting. |
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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in
: "Billy" wrote in message The problem seems to be that the entire world aspires to the American life style, that was based on being the only major industrial country not in ruins after WWII. For a short time, we had the stay at home mom, whose family could live well on the husbands wages. That time is long gone, and real income for most Americans has remained flat for the last 30 years, while the upper 20% of earners have seen their incomes soar. Wonder how the US will survive the current crisis given that China now owns nearly all American debt. The next few years could be interesting. i know you're in OZ, but do you know if it's difficult for Americans to emigrate to NZ (or OZ, as well)? lee eyeing 709 hectacres in NZ) |
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enigma wrote: "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in : "Billy" wrote in message The problem seems to be that the entire world aspires to the American life style, that was based on being the only major industrial country not in ruins after WWII. For a short time, we had the stay at home mom, whose family could live well on the husbands wages. That time is long gone, and real income for most Americans has remained flat for the last 30 years, while the upper 20% of earners have seen their incomes soar. Wonder how the US will survive the current crisis given that China now owns nearly all American debt. The next few years could be interesting. Yeah, but if they turn our money into trash, they turn their $TRILLION investment into trash. Not that we may not use hyper-inflation, like the Germans after WWI, to reduce the debt to insignificance. i know you're in OZ, but do you know if it's difficult for Americans to emigrate to NZ (or OZ, as well)? lee eyeing 709 hectacres in NZ) Good luck Lee, but there is a reason why they call them multinationals. The "paid for" politicians, and the nations are expendable. You'll find them anywhere a buck is to be made. -- - Billy There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence and find out for themselves. Will Rogers http://green-house.tv/video/the-spring-garden-tour http://www.tomdispatch.com/p/zinn |
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"enigma" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in Wonder how the US will survive the current crisis given that China now owns nearly all American debt. The next few years could be interesting. i know you're in OZ, but do you know if it's difficult for Americans to emigrate to NZ (or OZ, as well)? lee eyeing 709 hectacres in NZ) Dunno about NZ - Pete Heubner would probably know something about that given that he migrated to NZ from Europe. As for Oz, the only things I know are either anecdotal or what I read in the paper. In some ways we're like the US in that we have 'guest workers' from poorer countries but at the top end of the scale (either in terms of unique skills or large fortunes) we will take people. I'm guessing you might be in the middle of these two ends. Here's the place to start: http://www.immi.gov.au/ Anecdotal info is from two friends who have moved here - one a Canadian of 40 with a teenaged son and the other is a British woman who is retired and I guess could be described as being of "independent means". The Canadian woman has enough money to put down a hefty deposit on a house but will need to work till retirement. She is having some problems but it looks like she'll be able to stay. The British woman is here permanently as I think this might be because she will never be living off the government - ie she won't be asking for an Old Age Pension. One thing that I know cold cause a problem for Oz immigration and probably NZ as well would be Boo's Autism. All migrants are subject to health checks and the possibility that children of the primary migrants may end up needing health care some time in the future after the parents shuffle off their mortal coil seems to be a problem. |
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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in : "Billy" wrote in message The problem seems to be that the entire world aspires to the American life style, that was based on being the only major industrial country not in ruins after WWII. For a short time, we had the stay at home mom, whose family could live well on the husbands wages. That time is long gone, and real income for most Americans has remained flat for the last 30 years, while the upper 20% of earners have seen their incomes soar. Wonder how the US will survive the current crisis given that China now owns nearly all American debt. The next few years could be interesting. i know you're in OZ, but do you know if it's difficult for Americans to emigrate to NZ (or OZ, as well)? lee eyeing 709 hectacres in NZ) Dunno about EnZed. In Oz you are in if you bring either lots of $$$ or a vocational skill in demand. You are out if you are in poor health (we have approximately universal health care) or otherwise likely to be a drag on the public purse. Unless you are a refugee: do you come from a war zone or are you about to be garroted by a masked squad in the night? As for 700 hectares it's available in many places. You can get it for a reasonable price if you don't mind that it is mostly bush or the rainfall is rather low or a long way from anywhere, or all of the above. If you want good soil and water you will pay big bickies. If you want good soil and water near civilisation you will pay very big bickies. David |
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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message ... "Billy" wrote in message The problem seems to be that the entire world aspires to the American life style, that was based on being the only major industrial country not in ruins after WWII. For a short time, we had the stay at home mom, whose family could live well on the husbands wages. That time is long gone, and real income for most Americans has remained flat for the last 30 years, while the upper 20% of earners have seen their incomes soar. Wonder how the US will survive the current crisis given that China now owns nearly all American debt. The next few years could be interesting. You don't need to wonder, we will still lead. ~25-28% is hardly all. Beside what are they going to do, repossess us? Its not like we sold out our mining companies to em. |
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