Must see this site http://tinyurl.com/ygu952s that Dean Hoffman
Posted in Misc.rural


What is Obama going to do about it? Nothing, most likely. Farm
consolidation has been going on for years. This is the first link I hit
upon with some historical farm population numbers:
http://tinyurl.com/ygu952s
Will Congress ban vertical integration of hog farming?
Some states do have bans on corporate farming. Nebraska had one but
it was ruled unconstitutional. I haven't heard much about it since.
Some other states have fared better with their bans.

--
Bill Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA
http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending
You must know something about what you are searching for before
you query google.

On 3/28/2010 10:14 AM, Bill who putters wrote:
Must see this site http://tinyurl.com/ygu952s that Dean Hoffman
Posted in Misc.rural


What is Obama going to do about it?

Shush. Be quite. Don't let Obama know there is another business for
the government to take over.

In article ,
Frank wrote:

On 3/28/2010 10:14 AM, Bill who putters wrote:
Must see this site http://tinyurl.com/ygu952s that Dean Hoffman
Posted in Misc.rural


What is Obama going to do about it?

Shush. Be quite. Don't let Obama know there is another business for
the government to take over.

Name one that the government has taken over, Frank, hmmm?
--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Frank wrote:

On 3/28/2010 10:14 AM, Bill who putters wrote:
Must see this site http://tinyurl.com/ygu952s that Dean Hoffman
Posted in Misc.rural


What is Obama going to do about it?

Shush. Be quite. Don't let Obama know there is another business for
the government to take over.

Name one that the government has taken over, Frank, hmmm?

Being dumber than dirt, and talking crap doesn't rise to the level of a
garden topic, Frank, but it is better than your talk of burning Mexicans
that you posted in another newsgroup.
--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

On 3/28/2010 1:19 PM, Billy wrote:
In article
,
wrote:

In ,
wrote:

On 3/28/2010 10:14 AM, Bill who putters wrote:
Must see this site http://tinyurl.com/ygu952s that Dean Hoffman
Posted in Misc.rural


What is Obama going to do about it?

Shush. Be quite. Don't let Obama know there is another business for
the government to take over.

Name one that the government has taken over, Frank, hmmm?

Being dumber than dirt, and talking crap doesn't rise to the level of a
garden topic, Frank, but it is better than your talk of burning Mexicans
that you posted in another newsgroup.

Nice to know I have a fan.

Too bad you don't have a sense of humor

In article ,
Frank wrote:

On 3/28/2010 1:19 PM, Billy wrote:
In article
,
wrote:

In ,
wrote:

On 3/28/2010 10:14 AM, Bill who putters wrote:
Must see this site http://tinyurl.com/ygu952s that Dean Hoffman
Posted in Misc.rural


What is Obama going to do about it?

Shush. Be quite. Don't let Obama know there is another business for
the government to take over.

Name one that the government has taken over, Frank, hmmm?

Being dumber than dirt, and talking crap doesn't rise to the level of a
garden topic, Frank, but it is better than your talk of burning Mexicans
that you posted in another newsgroup.

Nice to know I have a fan.

Too bad you don't have a sense of humor

Just a tempest in a tea bagger then? Just a waste of space. How
metaphorically delightful. And you say I don't have a sense of humor ;O)
--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

On 3/28/2010 2:03 PM, Billy wrote:
In ,
wrote:

On 3/28/2010 1:19 PM, Billy wrote:
In article
,
wrote:

In ,
wrote:

On 3/28/2010 10:14 AM, Bill who putters wrote:
Must see this site http://tinyurl.com/ygu952s that Dean Hoffman
Posted in Misc.rural


What is Obama going to do about it?

Shush. Be quite. Don't let Obama know there is another business for
the government to take over.

Name one that the government has taken over, Frank, hmmm?

Being dumber than dirt, and talking crap doesn't rise to the level of a
garden topic, Frank, but it is better than your talk of burning Mexicans
that you posted in another newsgroup.

Nice to know I have a fan.

Too bad you don't have a sense of humor

Just a tempest in a tea bagger then? Just a waste of space. How
metaphorically delightful. And you say I don't have a sense of humor ;O)

you don't

In article ,
says...
On 3/28/2010 1:19 PM, Billy wrote:
In article
,
wrote:

In ,
wrote:

On 3/28/2010 10:14 AM, Bill who putters wrote:
Must see this site http://tinyurl.com/ygu952s that Dean Hoffman
Posted in Misc.rural


What is Obama going to do about it?

Shush. Be quite. Don't let Obama know there is another business for
the government to take over.

Name one that the government has taken over, Frank, hmmm?

Being dumber than dirt, and talking crap doesn't rise to the level of a
garden topic, Frank, but it is better than your talk of burning Mexicans
that you posted in another newsgroup.

Nice to know I have a fan.

Too bad you don't have a sense of humor

Frankly Frank,

Not funny in any context Frank.

In article ,
says...

Just a tempest in a tea bagger then? Just a waste of space. How
metaphorically delightful. And you say I don't have a sense of humor ;O)

you don't

....and clearly, neither do you.

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Frank wrote:

On 3/28/2010 10:14 AM, Bill who putters wrote:
Must see this site http://tinyurl.com/ygu952s that Dean Hoffman
Posted in Misc.rural


What is Obama going to do about it?

Shush. Be quite. Don't let Obama know there is another business for
the government to take over.

Name one that the government has taken over, Frank, hmmm?

To be frank

Does Chrysler and General Motors count?
Are they not under the control of the Obama's "Auto Czar"?

Besides Obama Motors, I believe the banks will be next. Fire the CEO's
and board members and break them up and sell the banks back to the
public.

In the seventy's, Lee Iacocca stated "At Chrysler we are building twice
as many cars with half as many people as in the sixties". In the late
fifties GM laid off 50,000 people in the payroll department when they
purchased their first computer for the payroll department.

Imagine a future world where 10 percent of the worlds population can
provide for 100 percent of all goods and services through free trade and
automation. What kind of economic system will one have where 90% of
population will not have employment?

One answer is: It will not be capitalism!
From R.E.M. - "the world as we know it is going to end and I feel fine".

Food for thought... Dan

--
Garden in Zone 5 South East Michigan.

On Mar 29, 11:36*am, "Dan L." wrote:
In article
,

*Billy wrote:
In article ,
*Frank wrote:

On 3/28/2010 10:14 AM, Bill who putters wrote:
* Must see this site *http://tinyurl.com/ygu952s* that *Dean Hoffman
Posted in Misc.rural

* * *What is Obama going to do about it?

Shush. *Be quite. *Don't let Obama know there is another business for
the government to take over.

Name one that the government has taken over, Frank, hmmm?

To be frank

Does Chrysler and General Motors count?
Are they not under the control of the Obama's "Auto Czar"?

Besides Obama Motors, I believe the banks will be next. Fire the CEO's
and board members and break them up and sell the banks back to the
public.

In the seventy's, Lee Iacocca stated "At Chrysler we are building twice
as many cars with half as many people as in the sixties". In the late
fifties GM laid off 50,000 people in the payroll department when they
purchased their first computer for the payroll department.

Imagine a future world where 10 percent of the worlds population can
provide for 100 percent of all goods and services through free trade and
automation. What kind of economic system will one have where 90% of
population will not have employment?

One answer is: It will not be capitalism!
From R.E.M. - "the world as we know it is going to end and I feel fine".

Food for thought... Dan

--
Garden in Zone 5 South East Michigan.

and the list goes on with Obamacare taking over the insurance
companies by dictating their expenses.

One of these days I expect to be taxed on growing my own vegetables
and cutting my lawn because otherwise I would have to hire someone to
do this and they would pay taxes

In article
,
"Dan L." wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Frank wrote:

On 3/28/2010 10:14 AM, Bill who putters wrote:
Must see this site http://tinyurl.com/ygu952s that Dean Hoffman
Posted in Misc.rural


What is Obama going to do about it?

Shush. Be quite. Don't let Obama know there is another business for
the government to take over.

Name one that the government has taken over, Frank, hmmm?

To be frank

Does Chrysler and General Motors count?
Are they not under the control of the Obama's "Auto Czar"?
They don't count, because they had the choice of going bankrupt.
Chrysler owns 6% and the US owns 61%. The plan is/was that restructuring
would allow Chrysler and GM to get through this tough patch, return to
solvency, and pay off the Treasury. Ostensibly, the "Car Czar" is there
to see that they (1) don't sack and pillage bailout funds, (2) run their
bussiness in a professional manner, which, previously they hadn't, so
you can understand an investors concern. As I understand it, the
government's shares are non-voting shares, so artistic license won't be
compromised, if they don't try to drive the business off a cliff.

Besides Obama Motors, I believe the banks will be next. Fire the CEO's
and board members and break them up and sell the banks back to the
public.

Obama Motors, Obama Care, Obamanation, what is with this crap? Can't
people discuss the facts without resorting to sarcasm, and ad hominem
attacks? Are we back to the loonies invading the Florida recounts to
impede the work of government?

I didn't vote for the guy but this mindless sarcasm only says that there
is no discussion, our minds are closed, and it is our way, or the
highway. At the risk of appearing vulgar, let me say that this is bull
shit.


In the seventy's, Lee Iacocca stated "At Chrysler we are building twice
as many cars with half as many people as in the sixties". In the late
fifties GM laid off 50,000 people in the payroll department when they
purchased their first computer for the payroll department.

Imagine a future world where 10 percent of the worlds population can
provide for 100 percent of all goods and services through free trade and
automation. What kind of economic system will one have where 90% of
population will not have employment?

One answer is: It will not be capitalism!

Private public schools, private prisons (already have 1% of us
locked-up), private fire departments, private military, private
government spies, internet band width for a price, privately sponsored
public broadcasting, and government contracts being doled out to
cronies, instead of low bid. We already have concentrated corporate
ownership of the media, and now they can spend as much as they want for
the election of their most servile sock-puppet.

I think it is called "New and Improved Feudalism".

From R.E.M. - "the world as we know it is going to end and I feel fine".

Rich people march on Washington every day.
I. F. Stone


Food for thought... Dan
--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article
,
"Dan L." wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Frank wrote:

On 3/28/2010 10:14 AM, Bill who putters wrote:
Must see this site http://tinyurl.com/ygu952s that Dean Hoffman
Posted in Misc.rural


What is Obama going to do about it?

Shush. Be quite. Don't let Obama know there is another business for
the government to take over.

Name one that the government has taken over, Frank, hmmm?

To be frank

Does Chrysler and General Motors count?
Are they not under the control of the Obama's "Auto Czar"?
They don't count, because they had the choice of going bankrupt.

You asked " Name one that the government has taken over, Frank, hmmm?"
I named two companies that the government has taken over. They even
fired GM's CEO Rick Wagner. They do count! Going bankrupt or not!

Some choice. Suffer slowly or make it a quick end. Slam ten of thousands
of people into slums. Banks, Airlines, Autos, Medical, Local schools and
more are going bankrupt. All will be taken over by the government.

Chrysler owns 6% and the US owns 61%. The plan is/was that restructuring
would allow Chrysler and GM to get through this tough patch, return to
solvency, and pay off the Treasury. Ostensibly, the "Car Czar" is there
to see that they (1) don't sack and pillage bailout funds, (2) run their
bussiness in a professional manner, which, previously they hadn't, so
you can understand an investors concern. As I understand it, the
government's shares are non-voting shares, so artistic license won't be
compromised, if they don't try to drive the business off a cliff.

Option (2) is incorrect! In what way were they not professional? Some
Washington financial bureaucrat that has absolutely no knowledge on the
details of building cars are going to tell those that do?

Investors telling engineers how to build cars or anything for that
matter is a recipe for disaster. Financial investors have helped wreck
many companies for the gain of short term profits.

The entire country is going financially bankrupt! It is not just
corruption. The world of economics is falling apart. Capitalist and
Socialist economic systems has their problems and both systems are
failing. Almost every nation in the world is printing more money than
they receive to the point where all currencies are on the verge of
collapse. I am saying they are no current economic systems that are
going to solve the worlds current economic problems.

Besides Obama Motors, I believe the banks will be next. Fire the CEO's
and board members and break them up and sell the banks back to the
public.

Obama Motors, Obama Care, Obamanation, what is with this crap? Can't
people discuss the facts without resorting to sarcasm, and ad hominem
attacks? Are we back to the loonies invading the Florida recounts to
impede the work of government?

I didn't vote for the guy but this mindless sarcasm only says that there
is no discussion, our minds are closed, and it is our way, or the
highway. At the risk of appearing vulgar, let me say that this is bull
shit.

I voted for the Green Party. I am not against Obama. I am all for a
single taxpayer health care system. I am for the takeover of the banks.
Obama has no choice in taking over the corporations of the world.
Capitalism has failed and so will Socialism.

Where is my sarcasm? Ok, some parts I am guilty of sarcasm
Where are my vulgar statements?
Show me where my mind was closed to new ideas?
or like me you just hate to loose a discussion

In the seventy's, Lee Iacocca stated "At Chrysler we are building twice
as many cars with half as many people as in the sixties". In the late
fifties GM laid off 50,000 people in the payroll department when they
purchased their first computer for the payroll department.

Imagine a future world where 10 percent of the worlds population can
provide for 100 percent of all goods and services through free trade and
automation. What kind of economic system will one have where 90% of
population will not have employment?

One answer is: It will not be capitalism!

Private public schools, private prisons (already have 1% of us
locked-up), private fire departments, private military, private
government spies, internet band width for a price, privately sponsored
public broadcasting, and government contracts being doled out to
cronies, instead of low bid. We already have concentrated corporate
ownership of the media, and now they can spend as much as they want for
the election of their most servile sock-puppet.

I think it is called "New and Improved Feudalism".

The world is still evolving. I do believe the world will collapse into
chaos. During the economic turmoil perhaps a "New and Improved
Feudalism" will be the new economic system for better or for worse.

- sarcasm here
Bow before me you stupid peasants... Dan

--
Garden in Zone 5 South East Michigan.

In article
,
"Dan L." wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article
,
"Dan L." wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Frank wrote:

On 3/28/2010 10:14 AM, Bill who putters wrote:
Must see this site http://tinyurl.com/ygu952s that Dean
Hoffman
Posted in Misc.rural


What is Obama going to do about it?

Shush. Be quite. Don't let Obama know there is another business for
the government to take over.

Name one that the government has taken over, Frank, hmmm?

To be frank

Does Chrysler and General Motors count?
Are they not under the control of the Obama's "Auto Czar"?
They don't count, because they had the choice of going bankrupt.

You asked " Name one that the government has taken over, Frank, hmmm?"
I named two companies that the government has taken over. They even
fired GM's CEO Rick Wagner. They do count! Going bankrupt or not!
They were taken over at their own request. I cant't believe that they
fired GM's CEO Rick Wagner after the bang up job that he had done
running the company into the ground by building expensive cars on the
cheap that nobody wanted? In a free market, they would have gone belly
up. They grabbed at straws. Why are you so invested in this?

Some choice. Suffer slowly or make it a quick end. Slam ten of thousands
of people into slums. Banks, Airlines, Autos, Medical, Local schools and
more are going bankrupt. All will be taken over by the government.
They could have thought of that when they were building cars that nobody
wanted. They aren't the victims.

Chrysler owns 6% and the US owns 61%. The plan is/was that restructuring
would allow Chrysler and GM to get through this tough patch, return to
solvency, and pay off the Treasury. Ostensibly, the "Car Czar" is there
to see that they (1) don't sack and pillage bailout funds, (2) run their
bussiness in a professional manner, which, previously they hadn't, so
you can understand an investors concern. As I understand it, the
government's shares are non-voting shares, so artistic license won't be
compromised, if they don't try to drive the business off a cliff.

Option (2) is incorrect! In what way were they not professional? Some
Washington financial bureaucrat that has absolutely no knowledge on the
details of building cars are going to tell those that do?
Maybe if they gave quality in their products. It's like restaurants. The
first year you knock yourself out with quality, then you start turning
the table cloth over, and cut the bearnaise sauce with roux to save a
dime.

Investors telling engineers how to build cars or anything for that
matter is a recipe for disaster. Financial investors have helped wreck
many companies for the gain of short term profits.

The entire country is going financially bankrupt! It is not just
corruption. The world of economics is falling apart. Capitalist and
Socialist economic systems has their problems and both systems are
failing. Almost every nation in the world is printing more money than
they receive to the point where all currencies are on the verge of
collapse. I am saying they are no current economic systems that are
going to solve the worlds current economic problems.

Besides Obama Motors, I believe the banks will be next. Fire the CEO's
and board members and break them up and sell the banks back to the
public.

Obama Motors, Obama Care, Obamanation, what is with this crap? Can't
people discuss the facts without resorting to sarcasm, and ad hominem
attacks? Are we back to the loonies invading the Florida recounts to
impede the work of government?

I didn't vote for the guy but this mindless sarcasm only says that there
is no discussion, our minds are closed, and it is our way, or the
highway. At the risk of appearing vulgar, let me say that this is bull
shit.

I voted for the Green Party. I am not against Obama. I am all for a
single taxpayer health care system. I am for the takeover of the banks.
Obama has no choice in taking over the corporations of the world.
Capitalism has failed and so will Socialism.

There never was capitalism or communism, Dan. It was all smoke and
mirrors to placate the masses. It has always been an oligarchy of
plutocrats. Here, in Russia, and in China it was all the same charade.
Whether you call them "nomenklatura", or "princes", they are the ruling
elite.

Where is my sarcasm? Ok, some parts I am guilty of sarcasm
Where are my vulgar statements?
Show me where my mind was closed to new ideas?
or like me you just hate to loose a discussion

I just like clarity. If you can teach me something, I'll be eternaly
grateful.

In the seventy's, Lee Iacocca stated "At Chrysler we are building twice
as many cars with half as many people as in the sixties". In the late
fifties GM laid off 50,000 people in the payroll department when they
purchased their first computer for the payroll department.

Imagine a future world where 10 percent of the worlds population can
provide for 100 percent of all goods and services through free trade and
automation. What kind of economic system will one have where 90% of
population will not have employment?

One answer is: It will not be capitalism!

It never was.


Private public schools, private prisons (already have 1% of us
locked-up), private fire departments, private military, private
government spies, internet band width for a price, privately sponsored
public broadcasting, and government contracts being doled out to
cronies, instead of low bid. We already have concentrated corporate
ownership of the media, and now they can spend as much as they want for
the election of their most servile sock-puppet.

I think it is called "New and Improved Feudalism".

The world is still evolving. I do believe the world will collapse into
chaos. During the economic turmoil perhaps a "New and Improved
Feudalism" will be the new economic system for better or for worse.

Hint: it won't be new, and it won't be improved.

- sarcasm here
Bow before me you stupid peasants... Dan

Told ya ;O)
--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

In article
,
Billy wrote:

[Snip...]

You asked " Name one that the government has taken over, Frank, hmmm?"
I named two companies that the government has taken over. They even
fired GM's CEO Rick Wagner. They do count! Going bankrupt or not!

They were taken over at their own request. I cant't believe that they
fired GM's CEO Rick Wagner after the bang up job that he had done
running the company into the ground by building expensive cars on the
cheap that nobody wanted? In a free market, they would have gone belly
up. They grabbed at straws. Why are you so invested in this?

Wrong again! The government like loan sharks, would not loan them money
without becoming a partner in the business. Again suffer slowly or make
it a quick end. It was not the auto industries fault for their demise.
It was the federal governments fault for making all these unfair free
trade agreements. With slave labor nations like China and many other
Asian nations can produce foreign cars with lower cost and increased
quality. Like Ross Perot stated during his presidential campaign "Pass
NAFTA and watch the giant sucking sound of jobs leaving the United
States". Free Trade lowers the living standards of all.

Why am I so invested in this? I LIVE IN MICHIGAN!
One out five Jobs here are auto related. I have many friends that had a
good life now destroyed by free triad policies. These policies are just
now having a domino effect on the rest of the U.S. economy.

They could have thought of that when they were building cars that nobody
wanted. They aren't the victims.

Wrong Again! Drive those cheap foreign cars and goods. Time will tell
who the real victims are. Hint: The entire U.S. will be the victim.

I voted for the Green Party. I am not against Obama. I am all for a
single taxpayer health care system. I am for the takeover of the banks.
Obama has no choice in taking over the corporations of the world.
Capitalism has failed and so will Socialism.

There never was capitalism or communism, Dan. It was all smoke and
mirrors to placate the masses. It has always been an oligarchy of
plutocrats. Here, in Russia, and in China it was all the same charade.
Whether you call them "nomenklatura", or "princes", they are the ruling
elite.

From your postings blaming the auto executives. You sound like you are
part of the ruling elite. Smoke and mirrors - take a real good look at
your own core belief system.

I just like clarity. If you can teach me something, I'll be eternaly
grateful.

Just read and learn... You should be grateful

Enjoy Life... Dan

--
Garden in Zone 5 South East Michigan.