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"Dan L." wrote in message ... In article , Billy wrote: In article , The Cook wrote: I seem to remember that wood as it decomposes uses up the nitrogen in the soil. Not really good for the garden. Old wives tale or true? In terms of both its physical and chemical properties, wood is an exceptionally difficult substrate to degrade. One of the principal reasons is that wood contains very low levels of nitrogen, which is needed to produce the enzymes that degrade the main structural polmers of wood - cellulose (about 40-50% of the dry weight of wood), hemicelluloses (25-40%) and lignin (20-35%). The lignin component also presents a barrier to wood decay because lignin is a complex aromatic polymer that encrusts the cell walls, preventing access of enzymes to the more easily degradable cellulose and hemicelluloses. In addition to these points, wood often contains potentially fungitoxic compounds, which are deposited in the heartwood. In broad-leaved trees the toxic compounds are usually tannins, well know for their ability to cross-link proteins, making animal skins resistant to decay. In contrast, conifers contain a range of phenolic compounds such as terpenes, stilbenes, flavonoids and tropolones. The most toxic of the tropolones are the thujaplicins which act as uncouplers of oxidative phosphorylation; they are particularly abundant in cedarwood, making this a naturally decay-resistant wood for high-quality garden furnishings, etc. http://www.biology.ed.ac.uk/research...iology/woodrot s.htm When the nitrogen is no longer needed for enzymes or fungal growth, it is released back into the soil environment for use by other microbes, and plants. So I have a follow up question to that very interesting question! Is it Ok to BURY freshly cut wood, logs and chips, under the vegetable garden soil? Your opinions do count. Lots of great advice here. I have this book, "Gaia's Garden, Second Edition: A Guide To Home-Scale Permaculture by Toby Hemenway" ISBN-10: 1603580298. On page 84, "Woody Ways to build soil" Its called "Hugelkultur". That freshly cut wood can be instantly used in vegetable gardens. The buried slowly rotting wood feeds the plants and improves the soil. One link about this: http://hubpages.com/hub/Hugelkultur-...-in-Composting I am not sure if this is sound advice or not. -- Enjoy Life... Dan Garden in Zone 5 South East Michigan. 19th century market gardeners near Paris used a very similar technique. Adding enough manure or green material to the wood created a hot compost pile underneath the soil. This allowed earlier planting and much higher prices for the early veggies. Steve |
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"Steve Peek" wrote: "Dan L." wrote in message ... In article , Billy wrote: In article , The Cook wrote: I seem to remember that wood as it decomposes uses up the nitrogen in the soil. Not really good for the garden. Old wives tale or true? In terms of both its physical and chemical properties, wood is an exceptionally difficult substrate to degrade. One of the principal reasons is that wood contains very low levels of nitrogen, which is needed to produce the enzymes that degrade the main structural polmers of wood - cellulose (about 40-50% of the dry weight of wood), hemicelluloses (25-40%) and lignin (20-35%). The lignin component also presents a barrier to wood decay because lignin is a complex aromatic polymer that encrusts the cell walls, preventing access of enzymes to the more easily degradable cellulose and hemicelluloses. In addition to these points, wood often contains potentially fungitoxic compounds, which are deposited in the heartwood. In broad-leaved trees the toxic compounds are usually tannins, well know for their ability to cross-link proteins, making animal skins resistant to decay. In contrast, conifers contain a range of phenolic compounds such as terpenes, stilbenes, flavonoids and tropolones. The most toxic of the tropolones are the thujaplicins which act as uncouplers of oxidative phosphorylation; they are particularly abundant in cedarwood, making this a naturally decay-resistant wood for high-quality garden furnishings, etc. http://www.biology.ed.ac.uk/research...iology/woodrot s.htm When the nitrogen is no longer needed for enzymes or fungal growth, it is released back into the soil environment for use by other microbes, and plants. So I have a follow up question to that very interesting question! Is it Ok to BURY freshly cut wood, logs and chips, under the vegetable garden soil? Your opinions do count. Lots of great advice here. I have this book, "Gaia's Garden, Second Edition: A Guide To Home-Scale Permaculture by Toby Hemenway" ISBN-10: 1603580298. On page 84, "Woody Ways to build soil" Its called "Hugelkultur". That freshly cut wood can be instantly used in vegetable gardens. The buried slowly rotting wood feeds the plants and improves the soil. One link about this: http://hubpages.com/hub/Hugelkultur-...-in-Composting I am not sure if this is sound advice or not. -- Enjoy Life... Dan Garden in Zone 5 South East Michigan. 19th century market gardeners near Paris used a very similar technique. Adding enough manure or green material to the wood created a hot compost pile underneath the soil. This allowed earlier planting and much higher prices for the early veggies. Steve What was old then is now new again -- Enjoy Life... Dan Garden in Zone 5 South East Michigan. |
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, "Dan L." wrote: In article , "Steve Peek" wrote: "Dan L." wrote in message ... In article , Billy wrote: In article , The Cook wrote: I seem to remember that wood as it decomposes uses up the nitrogen in the soil. Not really good for the garden. Old wives tale or true? In terms of both its physical and chemical properties, wood is an exceptionally difficult substrate to degrade. One of the principal reasons is that wood contains very low levels of nitrogen, which is needed to produce the enzymes that degrade the main structural polmers of wood - cellulose (about 40-50% of the dry weight of wood), hemicelluloses (25-40%) and lignin (20-35%). The lignin component also presents a barrier to wood decay because lignin is a complex aromatic polymer that encrusts the cell walls, preventing access of enzymes to the more easily degradable cellulose and hemicelluloses. In addition to these points, wood often contains potentially fungitoxic compounds, which are deposited in the heartwood. In broad-leaved trees the toxic compounds are usually tannins, well know for their ability to cross-link proteins, making animal skins resistant to decay. In contrast, conifers contain a range of phenolic compounds such as terpenes, stilbenes, flavonoids and tropolones. The most toxic of the tropolones are the thujaplicins which act as uncouplers of oxidative phosphorylation; they are particularly abundant in cedarwood, making this a naturally decay-resistant wood for high-quality garden furnishings, etc. http://www.biology.ed.ac.uk/research...iology/woodrot s.htm When the nitrogen is no longer needed for enzymes or fungal growth, it is released back into the soil environment for use by other microbes, and plants. So I have a follow up question to that very interesting question! Is it Ok to BURY freshly cut wood, logs and chips, under the vegetable garden soil? Your opinions do count. Lots of great advice here. I have this book, "Gaia's Garden, Second Edition: A Guide To Home-Scale Permaculture by Toby Hemenway" ISBN-10: 1603580298. On page 84, "Woody Ways to build soil" Its called "Hugelkultur". That freshly cut wood can be instantly used in vegetable gardens. The buried slowly rotting wood feeds the plants and improves the soil. One link about this: http://hubpages.com/hub/Hugelkultur-...-in-Composting I am not sure if this is sound advice or not. -- Enjoy Life... Dan Garden in Zone 5 South East Michigan. 19th century market gardeners near Paris used a very similar technique. Adding enough manure or green material to the wood created a hot compost pile underneath the soil. This allowed earlier planting and much higher prices for the early veggies. Steve What was old then is now new again Right down to putting cloches over the plants. We forgot a lot with the "green revolution". -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html |
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, Billy wrote: cloches http://www.antiques-atlas.com/antiqu..._cloches/as070 a185 -- Bill Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA |
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Bill who putters wrote: In article , Billy wrote: cloches http://www.antiques-atlas.com/antiqu..._cloches/as070 a185 Good picture, thanks. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html |
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, Billy wrote: In article , Bill who putters wrote: In article , Billy wrote: cloches http://www.antiques-atlas.com/antiqu..._cloches/as070 a185 Good picture, thanks. For $425.15 a pair!!!!! I will take the plastic ones for $10 each at http://www.gardeners.com/ -- Enjoy Life... Dan Garden in Zone 5 South East Michigan. |
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, "Dan L." wrote: In article , Billy wrote: In article , Bill who putters wrote: In article , Billy wrote: cloches http://www.antiques-atlas.com/antiqu..._cloches/as070 a185 Good picture, thanks. For $425.15 a pair!!!!! I will take the plastic ones for $10 each at http://www.gardeners.com/ I bet they're not collectibles;O) -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html |
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