"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

2 things come to mind.
1) Perhaps you just need to look for the weeding fork. I have a very
large
lawn (we call it the cricket pitch so if you're a USian, think
Baseball
field) and we got an infestation of Capeweed right through the lawn
(it's a
flat weed and far worse than dandelion because it flowers on plants
even as
small as a quarter of an inch and once it flowers, the seeds spread).
We
hand weeded it. It took us 3 years but now there are no cape weeds.
We
each had a weeding fork and we'd take the transistor out and sit with
our
backs to the sun and go for it. It was really a rather pleasant
activity.
We only did this because we didn't want it getting into our pastures
and
destroying them. We had nor specific idealogical objection to having
'weeds' in our lawn
2) why should a lawn just be boring old grass? I prefer a lawn with
livingstone daisys in it to a pure green swath of fine grass. The
former I
find appealing and the latter sterile and anal.

The views I state are subjective, they are just my opine without facts.
I still hold to these views and could be wrong.

My lawn is about three acres, no way am I going hard weed it
I will live with the weeds. I also do not want to poison the chickens,
which does a nubbier to the lawn.

The word "organic" also has
different meanings from place to place. Some places the product
"seven"
is organic, is it in your book?

What is 'seven'?
http://www.bayercropscienceus.com/pr...des/sevin.html


Here I think you've hit the point where you and I approach gardens
differently. I loath those sorts of gardens. Bugs are part of life
and
they are interesting. and not all bugs are harful but in order to get
rid
of the ones considered to be 'pests' then there would be nothing else
alive
except the anal gardener.

True here, I love the looks of of those five star gardens. But I favor
the earth over looks. But I do not loath the others. I like the view of
those artificial garden ornaments in gardens also. But I will never use
them because of of cost, I am more functionality than good looks.

After using a biological method to reduce the problem, one may not
need
as much chemicals to finish off the pest or weed. Some call this a
form
of IPM.

Huh?
IPM, Integrated Pest Management.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_pest_management

--
Enjoy Life... Dan L (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

2 things come to mind.
1) Perhaps you just need to look for the weeding fork. I have a very
large
lawn (we call it the cricket pitch so if you're a USian, think
Baseball
field) and we got an infestation of Capeweed right through the lawn
(it's a
flat weed and far worse than dandelion because it flowers on plants
even as
small as a quarter of an inch and once it flowers, the seeds spread).
We
hand weeded it. It took us 3 years but now there are no cape weeds.
We
each had a weeding fork and we'd take the transistor out and sit with
our
backs to the sun and go for it. It was really a rather pleasant
activity.
We only did this because we didn't want it getting into our pastures
and
destroying them. We had nor specific idealogical objection to having
'weeds' in our lawn
2) why should a lawn just be boring old grass? I prefer a lawn with
livingstone daisys in it to a pure green swath of fine grass. The
former I
find appealing and the latter sterile and anal.

I love the description of your lawn, Farm1. I've tried for years to
get daisys to grow here and so far, no luck. (But the golden rod is in
bloom right now.)

Kate

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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

2 things come to mind.
1) Perhaps you just need to look for the weeding fork. I have a very
large
lawn (we call it the cricket pitch so if you're a USian, think
Baseball
field) and we got an infestation of Capeweed right through the lawn
(it's a
flat weed and far worse than dandelion because it flowers on plants
even as
small as a quarter of an inch and once it flowers, the seeds spread).
We
hand weeded it. It took us 3 years but now there are no cape weeds.
We
each had a weeding fork and we'd take the transistor out and sit with
our
backs to the sun and go for it. It was really a rather pleasant
activity.
We only did this because we didn't want it getting into our pastures
and
destroying them. We had nor specific idealogical objection to having
'weeds' in our lawn
2) why should a lawn just be boring old grass? I prefer a lawn with
livingstone daisys in it to a pure green swath of fine grass. The
former I
find appealing and the latter sterile and anal.

I love the description of your lawn, Farm1. I've tried for years to
get daisys to grow here and so far, no luck. (But the golden rod is in
bloom right now.)

Thank you for the kind words Kate. I've never understood the 'only one
species' 'lawn' mentality. For me, a 'lawn' is just a swathe of grass like
growth that keeps down dust and stops your footwear getting clogged with mud
in wet weather and thus stops both mud and dust ending up in the house.
(But then I live in the country and I don't have nice neat paths and wear
nice neat shoes or have nice clean dogs or a nice neat and clean husband.
I'm just as likely to need to bring some ailing animal into the house or to
have to come in dripping with animal goo depending on the animal emergency
du jour).

"Dan L" wrote in message
...
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

The word "organic" also has
different meanings from place to place. Some places the product
"seven"
is organic, is it in your book?

What is 'seven'?
http://www.bayercropscienceus.com/pr...des/sevin.html

Sevin is carbaryl and it's a well known nasty! How could THAT be considered
organic????? And anyway it's is banned here in Oz according to this
article:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...940905073.html

In article ,
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

"Dan L" wrote in message
...
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

The word "organic" also has
different meanings from place to place. Some places the product
"seven"
is organic, is it in your book?

What is 'seven'?
http://www.bayercropscienceus.com/pr...des/sevin.html

Sevin is carbaryl and it's a well known nasty! How could THAT be considered
organic????? And anyway it's is banned here in Oz according to this
article:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...espite-fears-i
t-can-harm-health/2007/10/21/1192940905073.html

Beneficial insect, or pest, Sevin kills them ALL.
http://www.gardentech.com/pdf/msds/S...SDS%20Nov08_.p
df
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude
http://english.aljazeera.net/video/m...515308172.html

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

"Dan L" wrote in message
...
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

The word "organic" also has
different meanings from place to place. Some places the product
"seven"
is organic, is it in your book?

What is 'seven'?
http://www.bayercropscienceus.com/pr...cides/sevin.ht
ml

Sevin is carbaryl and it's a well known nasty! How could THAT be
considered
organic????? And anyway it's is banned here in Oz according to this
article:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...-despite-fears
-i
t-can-harm-health/2007/10/21/1192940905073.html

Beneficial insect, or pest, Sevin kills them ALL.
http://www.gardentech.com/pdf/msds/S...SDS%20Nov08_.p
df

Years ago about 30 the dreaded gypsy moth appears and folks started to
get Sevin delivered by air plane. I did not sign up and I placed back
plastic trash bags on my property line. I'm a real ******* according to
many folks and my brother in law was one who thought so. A few year
goes by and then it is bacteria thuraginis (SP) as the weapon of
choice.
Meanwhile our oaks just went on and with no spraying endured the
onslaught I even read that the oaks did change the taste of their
leaves. Nature what will discover next ?
A happy ending sorry no. Now there is a blight called Oak Scorch that
is sweeping through and the bottom line is once noticed too late and no
cure. I'd guess 40 % of my forest is dead now and next year who knows.

--
Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q0JfdP36kI
http://www.lascaux.culture.fr/index.php?lng=fr&acc=true