from the Scientific American special edition
titled _The End_

p. 23 acid rain returns from nitrogen emissions
coal fired power plants, cars and then farming
listed.

p. 72 bunker fuel (never heard of it before)
burned by tankers at sea. if the international
shipping industry were considered a country
it would rank sixth behind Japan and in front
of Germany in terms of green house gas emissions.


songbird

songbird wrote:
from the Scientific American special edition
titled _The End_

p. 23 acid rain returns from nitrogen emissions
coal fired power plants, cars and then farming
listed.

p. 72 bunker fuel (never heard of it before)
burned by tankers at sea. if the international
shipping industry were considered a country
it would rank sixth behind Japan and in front
of Germany in terms of green house gas emissions.


songbird

Bunker fuel is a very thick low grade of petroleum used in very large
engines such as ships have. When spilled at sea it forms tar balls. When
burned it makes CO2 etc the same as burning other petroleum. It may also
have a fair amount of sulphur which is a pollutant when burned.

I suppose they have to list shipping separately otherwise the countries that
host flags of convenience would get dudded.

David

In article ,
wrote:

"David Hare-Scott" wrote:

songbird wrote:
from the Scientific American special edition
titled _The End_

p. 23 acid rain returns from nitrogen emissions
coal fired power plants, cars and then farming
listed.

p. 72 bunker fuel (never heard of it before)
burned by tankers at sea. if the international
shipping industry were considered a country
it would rank sixth behind Japan and in front
of Germany in terms of green house gas emissions.


songbird

Bunker fuel is a very thick low grade of petroleum used in very large
engines such as ships have. When spilled at sea it forms tar balls. When
burned it makes CO2 etc the same as burning other petroleum. It may also
have a fair amount of sulphur which is a pollutant when burned.

I suppose they have to list shipping separately otherwise the countries that
host flags of convenience would get dudded.

David
Great Godalmighty. Silly me: I thought this to be a newsgroup in which one
could exchange gardening information and anecotes. Wrong! NOTHING has changed
in
the newsgroup since I tried reading it years ago. This is not a gardening
newsgroup. It is a social and political propaganda newsgroup. With a few
notable
exceptions, it is inhabited by pretentious carping know-nothing fools who'd
return us to using rocks and sticks to "save" the planet. Now, here's one who
actually cites "Scientific American" as a reliable source. Regrettably, some
of
the gardeners also provide an "amen corner" for the twits.
And your problem is . . . ?
One would return to, what, sailing ships because steam-powered vessels burn
"bunker" grade oil? Bunker oil is any low-grade refined oil that is stored
("bunkered") for later use; period. Odds are good the juice powering True
Believer OP's computer comes from the burning of bunker oil and I daresay
that,
if the powerhouse shut down to protect OP's sensibilities, (s)he would be in
the
streets with a pitchfork along with myriad other loonies protesting the evil
corporation that's letting babies die. Likewise with shipping: I can already
hear the douche blaming those evil shipping tyrants for creating shortages
and
driving up prices. Some people simply try to think too much while lacking the
basic resources with which to do so. The _real_ tragedy, as I see it, is that
the nitwits can vote. What a world.
What are you talking about? Are you denying that shipping food long
distances costs fossil fuel, and freshness (nutrition)? And why
shouldn't we shift to renewable energy sources? (Fossil fuel is killing
the planet.) Why is protesting corporations unique status as individuals
in the U.S. wrong? Corporations only exist to make profits. Real human
beings are trying to raise children and care for aging parents.
Railroads drove up prices in the U.S. (the octopus it was called), but
who brought up that subject? Thinking, reasoning is a problem? You don't
believe in democracy? Maybe a poll tax would make you feel better. Who
decides, who should vote, so that we can keep out the nitwits? I'm not
so sure that you aren't a nitwit. Should that cost you your right to
vote? You should be grateful that it is such a world.

I'm back to gardening, which I greatly prefer to reading drivel from
pretenders who mistake the reading of magazines and the parroting of
hyperbolic
hysteria for gardening. Newsflash: Kitchen gardeners and, most especially,
market gardeners of my acquaintance don't have time for such crap. They're
too
busy gardening. They have their fingers in the Earth, not in some slick mass
entertainment "scientific" magazine.
Go to it. If you want to see my garden, all you have to do is go to
http://tinypic.com/1r509n5u

It's that blessed "unsubscribe" button for me!

Is it just me, or do you smell the oder of burning martyr? All this self
pity after calling David a marshmallow head, and myself an ignorant twit?
My word, but you have very thin skin for one who tosses invectives about
so easily.

At least I gave authorities (citations) for my opinions. I see that you
give none. How do we know that what you say, isn't just pulled out of
your backside? Out of curiosity, how do you hold yourself in higher
regard than Scientific American? In what do you have a degree? What
attests to your expertise? Why should we trust your vulgar opinions?

Lordy, I always regret purging the twit list, which means, in your case,
I won't. Say more stoopid things, and I'll be there, oh yeah.

I was within a whisker of KFing you, but you changed my mind,
congratulations ;O)

The group is about gardening + food. Capisce?

You don't, do you? See you in the funny papers.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude
http://english.aljazeera.net/video/m...515308172.html

Raging Rant snipped

The group is about gardening + food. Capisce?
You don't, do you? See you in the funny papers.
- Billy
"Fascism
Mussolini.
aljazeera


Mi dispiace, tu capisco niente.

You are in agreement with him that this is a newsgropup about food
gardening. Not so much about water fleas, bunker fuel nor
philisophical cherry picked rants on organics.

The EcoNazi rhetoric didn't seem to work on the defunct Gardening
Organic Newsgroup either. Stick to the topic of food gardening and
save the preaching for your prayer group.

In article ,
wrote:

Do you speak spanish?
well, adios, MF.
Derald

I'll believe it, when I see it.

See you when you come crawling back. I'll look forward to the dialogue
in the spirit that you have engendered, MF.

buen viaje
---

Part of the problem with interplanting kale, cabbage, and potatoes is
the I need to wait for the kale, and cabbage, before I can dig up the
potatoes. Did anybody have an interplanting scheme that was less
restrictive for them?
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude
http://english.aljazeera.net/video/m...515308172.html

In article
,
Gunner wrote:

Mi dispiace, tu capisco niente.

You are in agreement with him that this is a newsgropup about food
gardening. Not so much about water fleas, bunker fuel nor
philisophical cherry picked rants on organics.

The EcoNazi rhetoric didn't seem to work on the defunct Gardening
Organic Newsgroup either. Stick to the topic of food gardening and
save the preaching for your prayer group.

Mignon, Gunney found a way around my KF.

EcoNazi rhetoric? I'm glad to see that in this ever changing world,
somethings are constant. Sadly, I never visited Gardening Organic,
Gunnny. Sounds like I should have. How was it? Did you kill it,
personally?

Do you have anything to say about food gardening, Gunny? Do you have
something to say on the subject of water fleas? Global Warming's affects
on gardening seems like it should be fair game to gardeners, and
evangelism seems to be back in style, even when it isn't based on faith.
Are you out to burn Rodale's books on organic gardening?

To those who don't know Gunny, I should mention that he thinks that
organic gardening is a shame. He prefers hydroponics. right Gunny? But,
it's not for me to put words in your mouth, Gunny. What do you have to
say, hmmmmm?

What's the latest in unsustainable technology?
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude
http://english.aljazeera.net/video/m...515308172.html

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
wrote:

Do you speak spanish?
well, adios, MF.
Derald

I'll believe it, when I see it.

See you when you come crawling back. I'll look forward to the dialogue
in the spirit that you have engendered, MF.

buen viaje
---

Part of the problem with interplanting kale, cabbage, and potatoes is
the I need to wait for the kale, and cabbage, before I can dig up the
potatoes. Did anybody have an interplanting scheme that was less
restrictive for them?
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude

I usually plant sweet corn between the potato rows after they are hilled
about knee-high. The corn is late and looks spindly until it outgrows the
shade of the potatoes, but the shade helps keep down the weed growth.
Steve

In article ,
"Steve Peek" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,

Part of the problem with interplanting kale, cabbage, and potatoes is
the I need to wait for the kale, and cabbage, before I can dig up the
potatoes. Did anybody have an interplanting scheme that was less
restrictive for them?
--

I usually plant sweet corn between the potato rows after they are hilled
about knee-high. The corn is late and looks spindly until it outgrows the
shade of the potatoes, but the shade helps keep down the weed growth.
Steve

But corn should be planted in blocks of at least 4 X 4, no?
C C C C C P C P C
C C C C or C P C P C
C C C C C P C P C
C C C C with a spacing of 10" C P C P C

And what do you mean by the corn is late, late ripening? I'm dealing
with restricted sunshine (6 hr. full), so I'm planting Golden Bantam,
which normally is 78 days, but 110 days for me. Actually, I'm not
growing much corn, except as an experiment to see if I can get it to
acclimate to my growing conditions. This is year 5.

Thanks.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude
http://english.aljazeera.net/video/m...515308172.html

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Steve Peek" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,

Part of the problem with interplanting kale, cabbage, and potatoes is
the I need to wait for the kale, and cabbage, before I can dig up the
potatoes. Did anybody have an interplanting scheme that was less
restrictive for them?
--

I usually plant sweet corn between the potato rows after they are hilled
about knee-high. The corn is late and looks spindly until it outgrows the
shade of the potatoes, but the shade helps keep down the weed growth.
Steve

But corn should be planted in blocks of at least 4 X 4, no?
C C C C C P C P C
C C C C or C P C P C
C C C C C P C P C
C C C C with a spacing of 10" C P C P C

And what do you mean by the corn is late, late ripening? I'm dealing
with restricted sunshine (6 hr. full), so I'm planting Golden Bantam,
which normally is 78 days, but 110 days for me. Actually, I'm not
growing much corn, except as an experiment to see if I can get it to
acclimate to my growing conditions. This is year 5.

Thanks.
--
- Billy


It may not be possible in a short growing season. My season (frost-free) is
about 5/10- 10/10. Potatoes are usually planted in late March and by early
June have been hilled the last time. I'll take my pointed hoe and pull a
furrow between the potato rows, plant and cover the corn a couple of feet at
a time. The corn grows a little slowly until it gets above the potatoes but
then takes off utilizing otherwise wasted space. It's just simple row
cropping but doubling up on the space. Both yield fine, by the time I'm
pulling roasting ears the potato vines have mostly died.
HTH,
Steve
The rows a
PPPPPPPP
CCCCCCC
PPPPPPPP
CCCCCCC

In article f5bbc6e4-fc20-4b90-9dc2-
, says...
Raging Rant snipped

The group is about gardening + food. Capisce?
You don't, do you? See you in the funny papers.
- Billy
"Fascism
Mussolini.
aljazeera


Mi dispiace, tu capisco niente.

You are in agreement with him that this is a newsgropup about food
gardening. Not so much about water fleas, bunker fuel nor
philisophical cherry picked rants on organics.

The EcoNazi rhetoric didn't seem to work on the defunct Gardening
Organic Newsgroup either. Stick to the topic of food gardening and
save the preaching for your prayer group.

More buzzwords to follow...

So this means what?

You're a commie?

I mean the commies I've encountered try to shut free speech down by
calling people nazis. I've had a lot of communists try to tell me to
shut up and I'm against bad behaviour not communism.

Hell, even calling people commies doesn't say shutup as nazily(sic) as
calling someone a nazi.

The weirdest thing of all is that corporatists (nazis by another name)
call people nazis to shut them up.

If you believe in freedom of speech, you were in your armed forces and
believe in your country's ideals and your monniker wasn't just picked to
mean gunsel ...live up to your ideals Washington.

In article ,
"Steve Peek" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Steve Peek" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,

Part of the problem with interplanting kale, cabbage, and potatoes is
the I need to wait for the kale, and cabbage, before I can dig up the
potatoes. Did anybody have an interplanting scheme that was less
restrictive for them?
--

I usually plant sweet corn between the potato rows after they are hilled
about knee-high. The corn is late and looks spindly until it outgrows the
shade of the potatoes, but the shade helps keep down the weed growth.
Steve

But corn should be planted in blocks of at least 4 X 4, no?
C C C C C P C P C
C C C C or C P C P C
C C C C C P C P C
C C C C with a spacing of 10" C P C P C

And what do you mean by the corn is late, late ripening? I'm dealing
with restricted sunshine (6 hr. full), so I'm planting Golden Bantam,
which normally is 78 days, but 110 days for me. Actually, I'm not
growing much corn, except as an experiment to see if I can get it to
acclimate to my growing conditions. This is year 5.

Thanks.
--
- Billy


It may not be possible in a short growing season. My season (frost-free) is
about 5/10- 10/10. Potatoes are usually planted in late March and by early
June have been hilled the last time. I'll take my pointed hoe and pull a
furrow between the potato rows, plant and cover the corn a couple of feet at
a time. The corn grows a little slowly until it gets above the potatoes but
then takes off utilizing otherwise wasted space. It's just simple row
cropping but doubling up on the space. Both yield fine, by the time I'm
pulling roasting ears the potato vines have mostly died.
HTH,
Steve
The rows a
PPPPPPPP
CCCCCCC
PPPPPPPP
CCCCCCC

Understood. Thank yo.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude
http://english.aljazeera.net/video/m...515308172.html

Mignon, Gunney found a way around my KF.

I’m beginning to believe you really think your juvenile tactics will
play in Peoria.

While this is still somewhat a little tete- a- tete, ya gotta know
all these cute little foreign verbage you attempt really don’t make
you sound very worldly billy. Your still an American which means you
are a monolinguist with 'tude and I still say an Internet scientist
with an agenda.

Regardless, we all know you have never Kill filed anyone. Your
narcissist persona couldn't stand to not know what someone was writing
about you nor miss the chance to interject your narrow-minded pseudo
science views in to any subject thread wile claiming your God given
right to do so, but your false bravado claims to have done so. Still,
I find you cannot overcome your childish use of subterfuge attempts to
cover up your faux pas. Your pattern is so predictable, talk a lot of
shit, make a lot of side issues to confuse the original fact, then
post something back on topic so as to pretend to be the victim This
appears to be the only course of actions you have in your little tool
box.

EcoNazi rhetoric? I'm glad to see that in this ever changing world,
somethings are constant. Sadly, I never visited Gardening Organic,
Gunnny. Sounds like I should have. How was it? Did you kill it,
personally?
I think you and Charlie show up x-posting around there last,
according to Google anyway, Seems you were quoting R. Carson in those
days instead of your current hero Mussolini. But be that as it may
you still miss the point or is this yet another subterfuge of your
latest F/U by agreeing with the guy? BTW, how many posts do you have
under your various pseudonyms, without a net, wild billy badbreath or
some such. Thousands isn't it,at least ~ thousand under this one
huh?.

Do you have anything to say about food gardening, Gunny? Do you have
something to say on the subject of water fleas? Global Warming's affects
on gardening seems like it should be fair game to gardeners, and
evangelism seems to be back in style, even when it isn't based on faith.
Are you out to burn Rodale's books on organic gardening?

Why, yes. Yes, I do have something to say, billy boy. Water insects
and bunker fuel are not gardening food. Any other diversions or
disparging remarks you want to throw out?
\
To those who don't know Gunny, I should mention that he thinks that
organic gardening is a shame (sic). He prefers hydroponics. right Gunny? But,
it's not for me to put words in your mouth, Gunny. What do you have to
say, hmmmmm?

I must say how magnanimous of you to introduce me to your royal court
billy boy. Yet you made yet another mistake billy boy, the word you
seek is sham, not shame and no, I have never said that. Just another
of your many lies and another subterfuge attempt. You, however, are a
sham. I'm still betting your not practicing all you pretend. Yes,
I do Hydroponics as an extremely viable method of sustainability, 1/10
the water usage and much cleaner and much more eco friendly than the
BS you tout (literally and figuratively) . I'm also into Bonsai,
aquaculture and have over 85 different herbs/spices going. Are these
Eco problems for you also? You stupidly believed that I oppose
sustainable agriculture. No, just the overly zealous proselytizing
using deceptive methods of propaganda and then the bully ways when
that doesn't work. No one has to believe your way is correct just
because you post some doubious facts or pretend to have found and read
the latest and greatest abstract on the Internet. Your not going to
find the future by digging in the past no matter how you want to frame
it.

You seem to gloss over any real plant science knowledge except what
you can quickly Google to make your point. Your threads are all
philisophical, but extremely limited to the eco book de jour in that
area as well. (ahh, I now see the need for your use of the little
foreign phrases... street creds for the internet, is that right?).
Still, you cherry pick info, omit statements and cut and paste
snippets of references of internet abstracts you have no subscription
for and often misstate facts. Arguing with a PhD, how bizarre was
that one? Referencing lawsuits that never happened, quoting MSDS
sheets for the wrong substances. Failing tro verify your source's
creds. Time and time again you misrepresent or omit facts in your
zealousness all the while proving your narrow mindedness. Again you
trip up, get caught and create a cover-up and attempt a quick
getaway. Quickly posting some pretense on gardening to cover up the
latest BS you portend. Planting corn, kale and potatoes this time is
it billy? , Very much indicative of a narcissistic personality
disorder. All signs of an amatuer researcher. What is your Ed
background anyway, or is that a secret you don't want to share?

Debate is always a good thing, but your bullying tactics... not so
much. But as long as you have the internet to protect ya, you can be
what ever you want to be and you can say what ever ya want from the
safety of the Internet's anonymity, can't ya. Still Gardening edible
is NOT the philisophal venue to preach your BS, no matter how much you
want to childishly cajole and ridicule someone while you continue to
push your diffusionist POV. Nor is food gardening the place for the
pretentiousness you want to call social awareness. go start a group
called eco awareness or whatever. Do note however it seems other's
attempts all failed to prosper because of the overly zealous
proselytizing your persona requires. But who knows maybe you can make
it work, but I'm betting not.

What's the latest in unsustainable technology?

You billy . Keep cutting and pasting your pseudo science and keep
digging around in the past maybe you will find the secrets of the
future. Perhaps you can find the smoking gun that will prove your
malady was a corporate conspirarcy in some secret corporate paper.
If not continue making it up. Hell, Beck makes a good living doing
it, so have you so far.

Face facts billy. You agreed with the man when you stated "The group
is about gardening + food”. But you can't ever admit that, it's just
not in your persona. There is still time for help for ya billy,
overcoming denial is the first step:
http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/npd.htm

Your turn Mussolini!

In article eb692d42-40d8-4e44-ab03-
, says...

Kinda bizarre that you falsely call for free speech and tell me to
live up to my "ideals", all the while tolerating the narcissist
berating and belittling people and wanting me to be silent. I do
live up to my ideals slick. Tolerance runs thin for BS and lies. So
since I paid my share for that right of ours, I do get to have my
say, Yes? Or do you think you can take mine away?

Actually Washington, I've not told you to shut up. I used buzzwords
offensive to the stereotype of the American psyche to tell you you used
an offensive inflammatory term that really means shut up.

I've watched you over time and yes, as you say, tolerance for BS runs
thin. I was tired of yours a long time ago.

That, however means that I place a number of identifying factors in a
killfile and you can continue to say what you like without bothering me
in the least. You're more than welcome to do the same with my posts.

You really believe people need to remain silent and accept BS because
it's a free speech issue? hmm, So what's your dog in this hunt Phob?
Birds of a feather? Part of the same coven? Socialist party perhaps?
What are your ideals? As the man said this is a food gardening
group, not the propaganda arm of the local eco party. Little billy
also agreed and stated such, yet once again somehow he is granted
special privilege for his "Glen Beck" approach to domination. Pretty
hard to be so self righteous and still be fair,isn't it? I'm of the
belief the recent undergrad psych study from one of your countryman,
S. Mehdizadehm, is spot on, but she should include those others who
live soley on the Internet and attempt to dominate newsgroups in her
conclusion.

This is a place for communication. You are not the arbiter of what is
communicated here nor is Billy, nor am I.

I don't agree for a moment with your assessment of the situation or the
word domination which flatters Billy but is as incorrect as it is
florid.

The name of the newsgroup as you say is rec.gardens.edible and gardening
is certainly the primary topic but it is unreasonable to demand that it
be absolute. That is a sure way to kill a newsgroup

I think that OT: and POL: (for politics) should be used when appropriate
in subject header to allow easy killfiling. It is SOP all over USENET
and used judiciously and consistently is a reasonable response to the
point you bring up.

My politics have never been hidden in all their ambiguousness. They run
a gamut.

My ideal is, generally speaking civility, and where civility on USENET
can't happen, killfile. You do the rest of us a favour when you spare us
useless argumentativeness with someone who provides the kind of mirror
you can't ignore.

....and I think you're behind the curve. Gardening as it's growing up
where I live is organic all the way. It is very political very activist
and it's gaining strength fast.

Yet I digress, So do tell me how bunker fuel is eaten in the great
white north. Do you plant it in the spring? When do you harvest it?

If you ignore a topic it will go away.

I'm sure being organic and all, you recommend just piling BS on it
and hand watering so as not to over water, it is that about right? No
IPM of course because that is not always organic, now is it?

Organic IPM is certainly possible.

So come on in, I will let ya wrestle the pig with me, there is
enough mud we can all get dirty or have you finished with your false
flag approach?

You have the option of thinking this through.

In article ,
phorbin wrote:

In article eb692d42-40d8-4e44-ab03-
, says...

Kinda bizarre that you falsely call for free speech and tell me to
live up to my "ideals", all the while tolerating the narcissist
berating and belittling people and wanting me to be silent. I do
live up to my ideals slick. Tolerance runs thin for BS and lies. So
since I paid my share for that right of ours, I do get to have my
say, Yes? Or do you think you can take mine away?

Actually Washington, I've not told you to shut up. I used buzzwords
offensive to the stereotype of the American psyche to tell you you used
an offensive inflammatory term that really means shut up.

I've watched you over time and yes, as you say, tolerance for BS runs
thin. I was tired of yours a long time ago.

That, however means that I place a number of identifying factors in a
killfile and you can continue to say what you like without bothering me
in the least. You're more than welcome to do the same with my posts.

You really believe people need to remain silent and accept BS because
it's a free speech issue? hmm, So what's your dog in this hunt Phob?
Birds of a feather? Part of the same coven? Socialist party perhaps?
What are your ideals? As the man said this is a food gardening
group, not the propaganda arm of the local eco party. Little billy
also agreed and stated such, yet once again somehow he is granted
special privilege for his "Glen Beck" approach to domination. Pretty
hard to be so self righteous and still be fair,isn't it? I'm of the
belief the recent undergrad psych study from one of your countryman,
S. Mehdizadehm, is spot on, but she should include those others who
live soley on the Internet and attempt to dominate newsgroups in her
conclusion.

This is a place for communication. You are not the arbiter of what is
communicated here nor is Billy, nor am I.

I don't agree for a moment with your assessment of the situation or the
word domination which flatters Billy but is as incorrect as it is
florid.

The name of the newsgroup as you say is rec.gardens.edible and gardening
is certainly the primary topic but it is unreasonable to demand that it
be absolute. That is a sure way to kill a newsgroup

I think that OT: and POL: (for politics) should be used when appropriate
in subject header to allow easy killfiling. It is SOP all over USENET
and used judiciously and consistently is a reasonable response to the
point you bring up.

My politics have never been hidden in all their ambiguousness. They run
a gamut.

My ideal is, generally speaking civility, and where civility on USENET
can't happen, killfile. You do the rest of us a favour when you spare us
useless argumentativeness with someone who provides the kind of mirror
you can't ignore.

...and I think you're behind the curve. Gardening as it's growing up
where I live is organic all the way. It is very political very activist
and it's gaining strength fast.

Yet I digress, So do tell me how bunker fuel is eaten in the great
white north. Do you plant it in the spring? When do you harvest it?

If you ignore a topic it will go away.

I'm sure being organic and all, you recommend just piling BS on it
and hand watering so as not to over water, it is that about right? No
IPM of course because that is not always organic, now is it?

Organic IPM is certainly possible.

So come on in, I will let ya wrestle the pig with me, there is
enough mud we can all get dirty or have you finished with your false
flag approach?

You have the option of thinking this through.

You might as well, Gunny, because I have no interest in you. You are
here for gardening, right, and not little moi? Well, get on with it.
Post and interact.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude
http://english.aljazeera.net/video/m...515308172.html

In article ,
phorbin wrote:

This is a place for communication. You are not the arbiter of what is
communicated here nor is Billy, nor am I.
Nor Me, well at least not yet

I don't agree for a moment with your assessment of the situation or the
word domination which flatters Billy but is as incorrect as it is
florid.
Some Day I will dominate the world and the world will all be mine!!!
Because no will care.

The name of the newsgroup as you say is rec.gardens.edible and gardening
is certainly the primary topic but it is unreasonable to demand that it
be absolute. That is a sure way to kill a newsgroup
Not much longer, the ISP's will eventually get rids of the usenet world
because those that rule will not tolerate free speech.

Their use to be hundreds of postings here. Now just a trickle. just 10
post here for the day.

I think that OT: and POL: (for politics) should be used when appropriate
in subject header to allow easy killfiling. It is SOP all over USENET
and used judiciously and consistently is a reasonable response to the
point you bring up.

My politics have never been hidden in all their ambiguousness. They run
a gamut.
Cool!

My ideal is, generally speaking civility, and where civility on USENET
can't happen, killfile. You do the rest of us a favour when you spare us
useless argumentativeness with someone who provides the kind of mirror
you can't ignore.
Killfile the few posters left and you only be responding to yourself.

...and I think you're behind the curve. Gardening as it's growing up
where I live is organic all the way. It is very political very activist
and it's gaining strength fast.

Yet I digress, So do tell me how bunker fuel is eaten in the great
white north. Do you plant it in the spring? When do you harvest it?

If you ignore a topic it will go away.
Many politicians have lost their elections believing in that statement.
Or does it grow until it cannot be ignored. However, In the usenet world
it is more like: Post a topic - is anyone one there to read it.

I'm sure being organic and all, you recommend just piling BS on it
and hand watering so as not to over water, it is that about right? No
IPM of course because that is not always organic, now is it?
Right and Wrong, Truth and Lies are subjective. Ones truth is another's
BS.
Organic IPM is certainly possible.
Yes it is. While the this happens the world will be starving. Go organic
IPM and a the few will still stand. Keep going as is and everyone
starves, if not too little to late.

So come on in, I will let ya wrestle the pig with me, there is
enough mud we can all get dirty or have you finished with your false
flag approach?
I love to wrestle

You have the option of thinking this through.
No, I have not thought this through. I know I am not the one you are
responding to. I just have fun throwing in the monkey wrench once in a
while Im just a little bored right now

--
Enjoy Life... Dan
Garden in Zone 5 South East Michigan.
Using a Laptop